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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6752
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Well, it’s happened. My dad, late 60s, went into tallaght before Christmas for what we assumed was gonna be a week or so but he’s still there. Got the call this evening to say he’s tested positive. Unfortunately he’s a big lad, lots of health issues due to anxiety and depression so has basically been at home for 10 years. He quite literally didn’t leave the house in 2020. **** sake.

    Sorry to hear that. Wishing him all the best.


  • #6753
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Australia currently have 37,000 citizens abroad wanting to go home, NZ also has a waiting list. This will be an economic blip, the money copiers just keep on churning through this.

    That’s right, there’s system in place and the majority of citizens want it even tighter. What would be you suggestion on fixing that?


  • #6754
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    That’s right, there’s system in place and the majority of citizens want it even tighter. What would be you suggestion on fixing that?

    Many of them very vocal today about tennis players getting a flight in while citizens are waiting to be able to get home.


  • #6755
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Many of them very vocal today about golfers getting a flight in while citizens are waiting to be able to get home.

    Tennis players?


  • #6756
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Many of them very vocal today about golfers getting a flight in while citizens are waiting to be able to get home.

    The going rate for the 14 day hotel quarantine in Australia is currently 3,000 Aus dollars if what I was told yesterday is accurate.


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  • #6757
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Tennis players?

    Sorry, yes tennis.

    Old age!!!!


  • #6758
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    What is our long term plan in managing this?

    I read earlier on that they have only ever eradicated one disease, that was smallpox, and it's likely this is here to stay with us.

    It's seems very unfair how they are allowing people to come into the country without any controls. Surely that can't continue?


  • #6759
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What is our long term plan in managing this?
    To ensure that enough people are vaccinated that outbreaks of the disease won't result in 2,000 people in hospital.

    We may still have small outbreaks now and again, but they won't require shutting down workplaces or regions any more than a flu outbreak does.


  • #6760
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    seamus wrote: »
    To ensure that enough people are vaccinated that outbreaks of the disease won't result in 2,000 people in hospital.

    We may still have small outbreaks now and again, but they won't require shutting down workplaces or regions any more than a flu outbreak does.

    That is the hope.
    But flu is seasonal, you get your once a year shot for flu season.

    Will this be different?

    I do worry that we might have to scramble for repeated vaccinations as the virus evolves.
    At least it doesn't change as much as flu.


  • #6761
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Many of them very vocal today about tennis players getting a flight in while citizens are waiting to be able to get home.

    That’s true, but those flights were charters and hotels were fully booked out by Australian and International Tennis bodies they are not part of the federal quarantine system. The Victorian and Federal government only authorised because Tennis Australia employed security consultants to run the whole thing and give assurances that everything would be adhered to.

    The 37,000 were warned last year to return, just because they are citizens doesn’t mean they should be allowed to ruin it for everyone else. Sure if everyone had that “a but they are citizens” attitude then the Australia would probably have 3000 cases a day and everything closed for next 3 months. Sure who would want that?


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  • #6762
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    That is the hope.
    But flu is seasonal, you get your once a year shot for flu season.

    Will this be different?

    I do worry that we might have to scramble for repeated vaccinations as the virus evolves.
    At least it doesn't change as much as flu.

    Vaccines probably will be like the flu vaccine

    Slight changes for different strains every year

    Can see everybody needing yearly top ups of vaccines anyway

    Just my unscientific opinion


  • #6763
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Vaccines probably will be like the flu vaccine

    Slight changes for different strains every year

    Can see everybody needing yearly top ups of vaccines anyway

    Just my unscientific opinion

    Hopefully not, the flu vaccine is once a year but that mutates much faster so shouldn't be every year, that just what I have been hearing and reading.


  • #6764
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    True

    I'd settle for an once a year vaccine just to get back to some bit of normality though


  • #6765
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Hopefully not, the flu vaccine is once a year but that mutates much faster so shouldn't be every year, that just what I have been hearing and reading.

    Im expecting there to be an occasional booster shot required but I'm thinking more like every 10 years than annually.

    That is to say an occasional vaccine to refresh t cell counts after the old ones have died off rather than an annual one to cope with differing strains.


  • #6766
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,189 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Well, it’s happened. My dad, late 60s, went into tallaght before Christmas for what we assumed was gonna be a week or so but he’s still there. Got the call this evening to say he’s tested positive. Unfortunately he’s a big lad, lots of health issues due to anxiety and depression so has basically been at home for 10 years. He quite literally didn’t leave the house in 2020. **** sake.

    Very sorry to hear that WUG.

    I hope that all will be well.


  • #6767
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Influenza needs less opportunity to mutate. The problem is coronavirus has multiples the amounts of infected hosts to do the same.


  • #6768
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    1982 in hospital tonight - that'll likely breach the 2000 barrier by the morning.

    I hope we'll be in a much better place hospital wise by the end of the week. The discharge rate should start properly accelerating this week given it's 2 weeks now since the surge hit hospitals.

    Hopefully we can get the hospital contracted case numbers down also. That's a serious problem in itself that lockdowns are worthless against.


  • #6769
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    marno21 wrote: »
    1982 in hospital tonight - that'll likely breach the 2000 barrier by the morning.

    I hope we'll be in a much better place hospital wise by the end of the week. The discharge rate should start properly accelerating this week given it's 2 weeks now since the surge hit hospitals.

    Hopefully we can get the hospital contracted case numbers down also. That's a serious problem in itself that lockdowns are worthless against.

    Hopefully a lot of discharges tomorrow to bring numbers down, discharges tend to decrease over the weekends normally with a clear out on the Monday.


  • #6770
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    1982 +110
    193 +7 IN ICU
    108 -3 Ventilated
    7 deaths

    10 hospitals with over 100 cases each
    8 hospitals with over 10 in icu each


  • #6771
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    That’s true, but those flights were charters and hotels were fully booked out by Australian and International Tennis bodies they are not part of the federal quarantine system. The Victorian and Federal government only authorised because Tennis Australia employed security consultants to run the whole thing and give assurances that everything would be adhered to.

    The 37,000 were warned last year to return, just because they are citizens doesn’t mean they should be allowed to ruin it for everyone else. Sure if everyone had that “a but they are citizens” attitude then the Australia would probably have 3000 cases a day and everything closed for next 3 months. Sure who would want that?

    That's the system we have here :confused:
    Anyway , pictures look lovely ,just seeing them now .
    Not jealous at all :cool:


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  • #6772
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Is the overall number of people in hospital down on this time last year or up or what?


  • #6773
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Is the overall number of people in hospital down on this time last year or up or what?

    Last year there was issues with overcrowding but last year they were still operating normal services.


  • #6774
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    marno21 wrote: »
    1982 in hospital tonight - that'll likely breach the 2000 barrier by the morning.

    I hope we'll be in a much better place hospital wise by the end of the week. The discharge rate should start properly accelerating this week given it's 2 weeks now since the surge hit hospitals.

    Hopefully we can get the hospital contracted case numbers down also. That's a serious problem in itself that lockdowns are worthless against.

    Figures will be going up for next 2 weeks at least in hospital , and it is a lot more admissions than spread in hospital .
    Both are serious and all are taken seriously :(


  • #6775
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    spookwoman wrote: »
    1982 +110
    193 +7 IN ICU
    108 -3 Ventilated
    7 deaths

    10 hospitals with over 100 cases each
    8 hospitals with over 10 in icu each

    How's Waterford doing?


  • #6776
    sReq | uTeK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    So am I right In saying that weve done 160k tests this week with a 14.5% positivity rate, let's call it 20k of thos 20k positive tests....there is currently 19x in ICU so if you were basing it on this week alone which we are not that's 1% of positive rates ending up in ICU. Now we know that a not true as the ICU cases are incremental weekly so I put the ICU to positivity rate based on the last 3 weeks at 0.45%.

    Now that's the pandemic rate.. the date rate based on positive drops to 0.1x over a 3 week period.

    I ask the question are we really in the midst of a killer virus or a nasty virus that highlights the atrocious ability of us to maintain a health system that is fit for purpose?

    I state the above with complete acknowledgement that its a nasty virus that clearly kills people but I would like some balance in the reporting of the 99% of positive cases that get better without issue.


  • #6777
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    How's Waterford doing?

    increase of 10 to 111 and still 6 in icu.
    last week news of outbreaks in wards


  • #6778
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    sReq | uTeK wrote: »
    So am I right In saying that weve done 160k tests this week with a 14.5% positivity rate, let's call it 20k of thos 20k positive tests....there is currently 19x in ICU so if you were basing it on this week alone which we are not that's 1% of positive rates ending up in ICU. Now we know that a not true as the ICU cases are incremental weekly so I put the ICU to positivity rate based on the last 3 weeks at 0.45%.

    Now that's the pandemic rate.. the date rate based on positive drops to 0.1x over a 3 week period.

    I ask the question are we really in the midst of a killer virus or a nasty virus that highlights the atrocious ability of us to maintain a health system that is fit for purpose?

    I state the above with complete acknowledgement that its a nasty virus that clearly kills people but I would like some balance in the reporting of the 99% of positive cases that get better without issue.

    99% don't get better without serious issues.
    A lot are unwell for weeks .
    I would agree with your statement otherwise if it were not for the fact that
    a)this nasty virus is so transmissible and
    b) increasingly random in who is infected and
    c) we are not all vaccinated yet and finally
    d ) it has highlighted similar issues in health services all over the world .
    Hopefully the vaccinations will be the difference next year .


  • #6779
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    spookwoman wrote: »
    increase of 10 to 111 and still 6 in icu.
    last week news of outbreaks in wards

    Jeez that is dramatic .


  • #6780
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    sReq | uTeK wrote: »
    So am I right In saying that weve done 160k tests this week with a 14.5% positivity rate, let's call it 20k of thos 20k positive tests....there is currently 19x in ICU so if you were basing it on this week alone which we are not that's 1% of positive rates ending up in ICU. Now we know that a not true as the ICU cases are incremental weekly so I put the ICU to positivity rate based on the last 3 weeks at 0.45%.

    Now that's the pandemic rate.. the date rate based on positive drops to 0.1x over a 3 week period.

    I ask the question are we really in the midst of a killer virus or a nasty virus that highlights the atrocious ability of us to maintain a health system that is fit for purpose?

    I state the above with complete acknowledgement that its a nasty virus that clearly kills people but I would like some balance in the reporting of the 99% of positive cases that get better without issue.

    This is not as bad as expected but bad enough to be a major problem socially and economically and health wise.

    The next thing might be more transmissive and more lethal.


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  • #6781
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    marno21 wrote: »
    1982 in hospital tonight - that'll likely breach the 2000 barrier by the morning.

    I hope we'll be in a much better place hospital wise by the end of the week. The discharge rate should start properly accelerating this week given it's 2 weeks now since the surge hit hospitals.

    Hopefully we can get the hospital contracted case numbers down also. That's a serious problem in itself that lockdowns are worthless against.

    It's the community causing infections in hospitals. You get low community transmission you get low numbers infected in hospitals.


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