Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:21PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Do you don't value Fiona Hill's view on it then? Weighing up the experience from the writers of the piece you posted versus her view, her experience would far outweigh them

https://twitter.com/prof_powell/status/1347001966975721472

Its her view and shes entitled to it, i just dont agree with it. Have a read of Coup experts Jonathan Powell's thread

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:25PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

FFS, that article was written before the author even knew that people had died. I fcuking hate that when people just dump an article without having even read it themselves. Wasting my time.

Nothing to do with it being a coup or not if people died.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 06:25PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/prof_powell/status/1347001966975721472

Its her view and shes entitled to it, i just dont agree with it. Have a read of Coup experts Jonathan Powell's thread

Having looked at his profile, I can't see any experience he has in international affairs or a foreign corp position.
Not to mention in the tweet you quoted that Charles Manson was charged and convicted of murder, despite not having the hand on the knife

Professor Moriarty · 17-01-2021 06:26PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

Nothing to do with it being a coup or not if people died.

Rubbish. You didn't even read the article.

yagan · 17-01-2021 06:29PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/prof_powell/status/1347001966975721472

Its her view and shes entitled to it, i just dont agree with it. Have a read of Coup experts Jonathan Powell's thread

While Trump not accepting his election loss is not in itself a coup, the violent storming of the capital building by a mob assembled for a Trump rally was a coup attempt.

Trump is only disowned them because he say how being associated with them could damage his personal business empire.

He won't offer the insurrectionists pardons because then that would be admitting liability.

What you call your opinion is just more trolling.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 06:29PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Rubbish. You didn't even read the article.

Of course they didn't, the headline confirms their opinion so that's why they posted it

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:39PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Of course they didn't, the headline confirms their opinion so that's why they posted it

Yes i did read the article, the fact people died has nothing to do with it being a coup attempt or not, i just showed where a university associate professor an expert on coup s says it was not a coup, i will take his opinion over the people on here everyday.

Associate Professor. School of Politics, Security, and International Affairs. University of Central Florida.
https://www.jonathanmpowell.com/

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 06:43PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

Yes i did read the article, the fact people died has nothing to do with it being a coup attempt or not, i just showed where a university associate professor an expert on coup s says it was not a coup, i will take his opinion over the people on here everyday.

Associate Professor. School of Politics, Security, and International Affairs. University of Central Florida.
https://www.jonathanmpowell.com/

On the highlighted point, it wasn't me saying it, it was Fiona Hill.

As per his credentials, again where is his practical experience in the foreign corp?

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:45PM

duploelabs wrote: »

On the highlighted point, it wasn't me saying it, it was Fiona Hill.

As per his credentials, again where is his practical experience in the foreign corp?

Lots on here have called it a coup and you know it and you agreeing with Fiona Hill means you also think it was a coup, i have shown it doesn't qualify. You will have to tweet him about his experience. Im sure he will value your input on this matter.

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:47PM

yagan wrote: »

Central Florida?

You know there's reps from Trump states who had to scurry for safety from the mob who don't accept it happened.

Even Trump switched from saying he loved them to disowning them, yet you keep defending them.

Mods, why hasn't this obviously troll been sent to the cooler?

Because I'm not trolling and coup experts back up my point unlike most of the posters on here who let their emotions do the judgment.

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:48PM

yagan wrote: »

Central Florida?

You know there's reps from Trump states who had to scurry for safety from the mob who don't accept it happened.

Even Trump switched from saying he loved them to disowning them, yet you keep defending them.

Mods, why hasn't this obviously troll been sent to the cooler?

Point me to where i defended any of them please, i will wait.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 06:48PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

Lots on here have called it a coup and you know it and you agreeing with Fiona Hill means you also think it was a coup, i have shown it doesn't qualify. You will have to tweet him about his experience. Im sure he will value your input on this matter.

Again, you didn't answer. Where in his profile details his working experience in the foreign corp?
You haven't shown anything in response to that or to debunk the evidence presented to you

extra gravy · 17-01-2021 06:49PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

Lots on here have called it a coup and you know it and you agreeing with Fiona Hill means you also think it was a coup, i have shown it doesn't qualify. You will have to tweet him about his experience. Im sure he will value your input on this matter.

Why are you putting more value in his opinion rather than that of a former intelligence analyst and National Security Council official with years of practical experience in this area?

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:50PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Again, you didn't answer. Where in his profile details his working experience in the foreign corp?
You haven't shown anything in response to that or to debunk the evidence presented to you

I told you tweet him if you want to know, look your just angry that i found an expert on coup events which didn't back up what you were saying all day. You agree with fiona hill, i agree with these coup experts, its ok, we differ.

17-01-2021 06:50PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

The responses from Trump loving terrorism supporters have followed the Russian handbook down to the letter as evidenced in this thread since 6th he gained power in 2016

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I've amended your original post above - he's demonstrated clear megalomanic type behaviours since day 1.

He reminds me of Robert Maxwell, especially in the time of his demise.

A truly awful man that has caused so much division in America and beyond with his trolling twitter posts. he thought he'd have 4 more years and he's now disintegrating like a spoilt child, just as Robert Maxwell did in his final months.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 06:52PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

I told you tweet him if you want to know, look your just angry that i found an expert on coup events which didn't back up what you were saying all day. You agree with fiona hill, i agree with these coup experts, its ok, we differ.

My only frustration is that you continue to argue in bad faith and refuse to challenge any evidence supplied or answer the questions put to you

17-01-2021 06:53PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

Lots on here have called it a coup and you know it and you agreeing with Fiona Hill means you also think it was a coup, i have shown it doesn't qualify. You will have to tweet him about his experience. Im sure he will value your input on this matter.

I can point to other political scientists that consider it a coup... You might need to go incognito to get past article limit.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/coup-america-capitol-electoral-college-2020-election/

This one has written books on coups so it's fair to say she's knowledgeable.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/13/capitol-invasion-coup-from-below-trump-sisi-egypt/

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:54PM

duploelabs wrote: »

My only frustration is that you continue to argue in bad faith and refuse to challenge any evidence supplied or answer the questions put to you

I said i rely on coup experts i take their expert opinion over yours, get over it, you can agree with Fiona Hill, i will agree with these coup experts, what is the problem , does everybody have to agree with your opinion?

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can point to other political scientists that consider it a coup... You might need to go incognito to get past article limit.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/coup-america-capitol-electoral-college-2020-election/

This one has written books on coups so it's fair to say she's knowledgeable.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/13/capitol-invasion-coup-from-below-trump-sisi-egypt/

Yes and these guys have written books on coups from the 1950s, i choose to agree with them, if you and others want to agree with your links authors, that's perfectly fine too. Even in them links one expert argues it was not a coup.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 06:56PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

I said i rely on coup experts i take their expert opinion over yours, get over it, you can agree with Fiona Hill, i will agree with these coup experts, what is the problem , does everybody have to agree with your opinion?

I asked you to qualify the 'coup experts' opinion from they're practical experience, yet you still wont. That is why I devalued their opinion over Fiona Hill's

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 06:58PM

duploelabs wrote: »

I asked you to qualify the 'coup experts' opinion from they're practical experience, yet you still wont. That is why I devalued their opinion over Fiona Hill's

Thats perfectly fine that you don't want to agree with their take on this not being a coup, He seems pretty qualified to comment, much more so than your good self i would suggest.

I am an Associate Professor in the School of Politics, Security, and International Affairs at the University of Central Florida. My research and teaching interests are in the fields of international relations and comparative politics. I am especially interested in dynamics related to conflict and democratization, with a special emphasis on the role civil-military relations plays in these processes. My research has been published in a number of outlets, including the Journal of Conflict Resolution, Journal of Peace Research, African Affairs, Democratization, and Armed Forces & Society. Links to my publications and other projects can be found on my research page.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 07:02PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

Thats perfectly fine that you don't want to agree with their take on this not being a coup, He seems pretty qualified to comment, much more so than your good self i would suggest.

I am an Associate Professor in the School of Politics, Security, and International Affairs at the University of Central Florida. My research and teaching interests are in the fields of international relations and comparative politics. I am especially interested in dynamics related to conflict and democratization, with a special emphasis on the role civil-military relations plays in these processes. My research has been published in a number of outlets, including the Journal of Conflict Resolution, Journal of Peace Research, African Affairs, Democratization, and Armed Forces & Society. Links to my publications and other projects can be found on my research page.

Again for the fourth time, where is his practical experience in the field? Many academics can be published, doesn't mean their opinion is a valid one, unfortunately that comes with experience in positions related to field

17-01-2021 07:03PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Again for the fourth time, where is his practical experience in the field? Many academics can be published, doesn't mean their opinion is a valid one, unfortunately that comes with experience in positions related to field

And I've cited other experts who are equally qualified to comment who disagree.. Can get plenty more.

Necro · 17-01-2021 07:08PM

Mod:

Can we move on from this discussion please. It's derailing the thread completely. Agree to differ and just let it go. Thanks.

Gregor Samsa · 17-01-2021 07:24PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

you are posting videos of people screaming hang pence etc, at protesst over the summer chants of pigs in blankets fry them like bacon, i thought they were wrong but did i think that group were going to go around killing cops and frying them no, sorry i just don't get as revved up about groups of idiots roaring and shouting. A difference of opinion is ok, some of ye really are quite agitated individuals.

The irony, of course, being that the Capitol mob actually did kill a cop, and came pretty close to killing another. That’s some result for just “ranting and shouting”.

gimli2112 · 17-01-2021 07:27PM

I saw a thing a few months ago about a boy
a ringleader who used to cycle around with his buddies and attack those weaker than him
a horrible child
a worse president
a worse person
i hate him

Tell me how · 17-01-2021 07:29PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

you are posting videos of people screaming hang pence etc, at protesst over the summer chants of pigs in blankets fry them like bacon, i thought they were wrong but did i think that group were going to go around killing cops and frying them no, sorry i just don't get as revved up about groups of idiots roaring and shouting. A difference of opinion is ok, some of ye really are quite agitated individuals.

You don't get worked up about idiots roaring and shouting, but do when people challenge your positions on a discussion Board?

Is that it?

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 07:29PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Again for the fourth time, where is his practical experience in the field? Many academics can be published, doesn't mean their opinion is a valid one, unfortunately that comes with experience in positions related to field

Again this is all in your opinion that their opinion is not valid, in my opinion seeing as they have dedicated there academic studies to coups their opinions is more than valued. We are going around in circles you agree with Fiona hill i agree with Powell and tyhne, lets leave it at that.

newhouse87 · 17-01-2021 07:31PM

Tell me how wrote: »

You don't get worked up about idiots roaring and shouting, but do when people challenge your positions on a discussion Board?

Is that it?

If you knew how relaxed i am here at work, you would wonder why i am getting paid today, we disagree people need to get over the fact that we don't all agree on everything.

robinph · 17-01-2021 07:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've amended your original post above - he's demonstrated clear megalomanic type behaviours since day 1.

He reminds me of Robert Maxwell, especially in the time of his demise.

A truly awful man that has caused so much division in America and beyond with his trolling twitter posts. he thought he'd have 4 more years and he's now disintegrating like a spoilt child, just as Robert Maxwell did in his final months.

Do you mean Maxwell or Mugabe?

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