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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6662
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    If the argument against the very successful Australian approach has seriously descended to ''are you saying that we would have to cull flocks of people'', then I give up in the face of overwhelming bullish stupidity.

    I think the lesson here is don't ever underestimate how much someone wants to go to their holiday home on the continent.......they deserve it.

    Never mind that the kids are slowly falling behind all previous generations.


  • #6663
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think the lesson here is don't ever underestimate how much someone wants to go to their holiday home on the continent.......they deserve it.

    Never mind that the kids are slowly falling behind all previous generations.

    They can go. Just test negative or quarantine, and don't take covid with them.

    A large study recently published showed that 75% of people who had to go to hospital with Covid had long term health issues 6 months later.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/health/Covid-survivors-longterm.html

    75% of the 1900 in hospital TODAY is 1425 people.
    I don't know what is the total number of people who have had to go to hospital in Ireland with covid since the beginning of all this, but I think it must be quite a few. 75% of those people is quite a few people who will have to deal with aftermath effects.
    That is without considering ''long covid'' in non-hospitalised people, a condition which some seem to think is a mythical beast.
    This will have huge cost implications besides the effects on people's lives mentally and emotionally.
    That is why I am against this permitting Covid to become endemic. Which is what we are effectively doing.


  • #6664
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    He was comparing it to an illness in cows and how we deal with those scenarios. We deal with them with mass cullings. I was showing how ridiculous making that comparison is.

    Sorry I bothered posting.

    The tension on this thread is like an overwound guitar at times.

    Obviously that wasn’t what I was suggesting. And frankly to suggest I was is extremely insulting.


  • #6665
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Well tax revenues have held up pretty well particularly from the MNE sector which would be affected by closed borders.

    (being pedandic we know its not "closed borders" but anyway...)

    How so?
    If people working for multinationals really need to travel for their role they will get tests & do the quarantine.

    I kind of think business "jollies" are off the menu right now if the work can be done with a virtual meeting. In fairness to these large companies, they are protective of their staff and management and were early to move to remote work etc. + put safety measures in place & stop travel where operations allow it.

    Multinationals won't care so long as the restrictions don't affect production/operations.
    The sort of restrictions we are all living under right now, (if kept up long enough) are more likely IMO to be damaging to their operations in Ireland than limitations on travel.


  • #6666
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    They can go. Just test negative or quarantine, and don't take covid with them.

    A large study recently published showed that 75% of people who had to go to hospital with Covid had long term health issues 6 months later.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/health/Covid-survivors-longterm.html

    75% of the 1900 in hospital TODAY is 1425 people.
    I don't know what is the total number of people who have had to go to hospital in Ireland with covid since the beginning of all this, but I think it must be quite a few. 75% of those people is quite a few people who will have to deal with aftermath effects.
    That is without considering ''long covid'' in non-hospitalised people, a condition which some seem to think is a mythical beast.
    This will have huge cost implications besides the effects on people's lives mentally and emotionally.
    That is why I am against this permitting Covid to become endemic. Which is what we are effectively doing.
    Yeah, according to the 'relaxtivists' the lockdowns might as well be the only major cause of declining mental health. Not covid, not covid related health issues. Nope. Must be very privileged to have not experienced how detrimental long term illness is to a person's sense of wellbeing.

    Which is why it's very clear that none of them really give a **** about the upcoming mental health epidemic, they are just concerned about its impact to them specifically


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  • #6667
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    This thread has become a cesspit of negativity in recent days,

    really depressing to read, so many people entrenched in their extreme views and unable to consider a middle ground

    unreadable now


  • #6668
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I know a lot if people are taking it, but its a bottom up process, little or no top down advice
    https://twitter.com/DrP_MD/status/1350598081746784256

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6669
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    This thread has become a cesspit of negativity in recent days,

    really depressing to read, so many people entrenched in their extreme views and unable to consider a middle ground

    unreadable now

    Someone says that every week, think its the 49th time its been said.


  • #6670
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    They can go. Just test negative or quarantine, and don't take covid with them.

    A large study recently published showed that 75% of people who had to go to hospital with Covid had long term health issues 6 months later.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/health/Covid-survivors-longterm.html

    75% of the 1900 in hospital TODAY is 1425 people.
    I don't know what is the total number of people who have had to go to hospital in Ireland with covid since the beginning of all this, but I think it must be quite a few. 75% of those people is quite a few people who will have to deal with aftermath effects.
    That is without considering ''long covid'' in non-hospitalised people, a condition which some seem to think is a mythical beast.
    This will have huge cost implications besides the effects on people's lives mentally and emotionally.
    That is why I am against this permitting Covid to become endemic. Which is what we are effectively doing.

    I think even if you test negative upon arrival,your still supposed to quarantine

    I was meant to go to london during summer for family issue,but upon looking into the advice surronding self isolating,decided againest it


  • #6671
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think even if you test negative upon arrival,your still supposed to quarantine

    I was meant to go to london during summer for family issue,but upon looking into the advice surronding self isolating,decided againest it

    There could surely be some rational adaptation of quarantine, like travel with a negative test result, get another test on arrival, and then quarantine, get a test 4 or 5 days later and if clear, off you go. Something that is designed to have maximum likelihood of being correct.


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  • #6672
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    This thread has become a cesspit of negativity in recent days,

    really depressing to read, so many people entrenched in their extreme views and unable to consider a middle ground

    unreadable now

    Nobody is forcing you to read it.


  • #6673
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭boardise


    niallo27 wrote: »
    April is 16 weeks of level 5, are they for ****en real. People will freak out or they mean back to level 3 before that.

    I can't figure out why Level 4 has been written out of the script. All I hear is L3 to L5 or L5 to L3.
    Why was L4 drawn up at all ? Why not give it a go for a few weeks and see what it delivers ?


  • #6674
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭redarmy


    2,944 new confirmed cases of #Covid19 in the Republic of Ireland.

    13 further deaths reported, all occurring in January.


  • #6675
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    There could surely be some rational adaptation of quarantine, like travel with a negative test result, get another test on arrival, and then quarantine, get a test 4 or 5 days later and if clear, off you go. Something that is designed to have maximum likelihood of being correct.

    I also know someone who tested negative in france,got a private test at dublin airport upon arrival and tested positive (though noone else in the car tested positive or any sythoms over next 14 days)


    The quarantine period in france is only 7 days......i think with the uk going forced quaratine,its a oppurtunity to likewise here on whole island basis,that shouldnt be wasted


    Id gladly pay extra once off tax for it/miss a week PUP for it,and to have us back normal by easter.....tourism is basically dead internationally without a vaccine anyway


  • #6676
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Someone says that every week, think its the 49th time its been said.

    Perhaps because it’s an accurate analysis?


  • #6677
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Sticking around the 3k mark even on a Sunday. Grim.


  • #6678
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭appledrop


    redarmy wrote: »
    2,944 new confirmed cases of #Covid19 in the Republic of Ireland.

    13 further deaths reported, all occurring in January.

    At least numbers are now starting to stabilise. Obviously 3,000 still too high but thankfully they have come down from 6,000.

    If people stay at home for next two weeks I think we could be in much better position by end January.


  • #6679
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Sticking around the 3k mark even on a Sunday. Grim.

    In the 2,000's first time since January 1st. Think we are doing ok. Dropped quite well in Dublin. I think mre counties will follow suit.

    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1350820439702999041


  • #6680
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    13 Deaths
    2,944 Cases
    1,065 cases are in Dublin, 306 in Cork, 181 in Galway, 180 in Kildare, 160 in Limerick and the remaining 1,052 cases are spread across all other counties
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #6681
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    wadacrack wrote: »
    In the 2,000's first time since January 1st. Think we are doing ok. Dropped quite well in Dublin. I think mre counties will follow suit.

    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1350820439702999041

    That's a really uplifting quote. Someone should tell him we aren't testing close contacts.

    It does wonders for your figures though.

    edit: someone did.......

    https://twitter.com/LeitrimLtd/status/1350825243078766598?s=20


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  • #6682
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Below 3,000 for first time in a while. Hoping it drops more in the next few weeks.


  • #6683
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭appledrop


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Sticking around the 3k mark even on a Sunday. Grim.

    I think we are doing well. Last week we were in 6,000.

    Staying steady 3,000-4,000 all week and I think people are finally taking restrictions serious again so hopefully mixing is limited now so numbers should continue to fall.


  • #6684
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Sticking around the 3k mark even on a Sunday. Grim.

    Not really.
    Seems to be dropping every day now.


  • #6685
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭appledrop


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's a really uplifting quote. Someone should tell him we aren't testing close contacts.

    It does wonders for your figures though.

    You can still get a test if close contact + develop symptoms.


  • #6686
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    appledrop wrote: »
    You can still get a test if close contact + develop symptoms.

    And if I was a close contact I'd be fairly quick in developing them as I suspect most are.


  • #6687
    [Deleted User]
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's a really uplifting quote. Someone should tell him we aren't testing close contacts.

    It does wonders for your figures though.

    We haven’t been testing contacts for 3 weeks. So the fall is real.

    Anyone who is a contact and wants a test can get a test also. Capacity is less of an issue now


  • #6688
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    appledrop wrote: »
    You can still get a test if close contact + develop symptoms.

    And you can still fiddle the figures like we've done from day one. What about CIDR and the backlog that we all knew existed here but nobody talked about in the .........wait for it ........ main stream media. Until it was blindingly obvious in daily figures.


    This is like anglo's balance sheet all over again.

    do you remember when your left eye had to twitch, you had to have a fever and be cross eyed to get a test? Figures came way down and everyone felt great.


  • #6689
    appledrop
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    mightyreds wrote: »
    And if I was a close contact I'd be fairly quick in developing them as I suspect most are.

    Yea from what I've heard nearly everyone gets tested + you cant blame them, you would want to know as some people can take a turn for worse very quickly.


  • #6690
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    redarmy wrote: »
    2,944 new confirmed cases of #Covid19 in the Republic of Ireland.

    13 further deaths reported, all occurring in January.

    RIP

    Coming down, hopefully it continues
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #6691
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's a really uplifting quote. Someone should tell him we aren't testing close contacts.

    It does wonders for your figures though.

    2,944 cases without close contacts is still better than last Sunday's 6,886 cases without close contacts - bias or not.


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