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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6512
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Milder is not the issue, vaccinating those at highest risk should mean few to no hospitalisation and it being seen as little more than a common cold.

    There's people in 20s and 30s with no underlying conditions in hospitals. I don't think this is going to disappear in space of a few months.

    Think people might think of flu and that vulnerable can get flu vaccine and most other people fine but when people can get severely ill with covid and the very random nature of how ill people get, whether they get long covid etc still presents a risk.


  • #6513
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I think that's wildly optimistic unfortunately.
    Well, it is one of the aims so what other aim should we have? We can't continue this indefinitely.


  • #6514
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    polesheep wrote: »
    Define 'significant' as it is used in his statement.

    Well I thought the data (across all age groups) was hospitalisation of 3% and mortality of 0.3%. Not sure this is significant.

    Now we do know that these numbers are having a significant impact on healthcare capacity. We also know that the new variant (despite Tony Holohan telling Mike Ryan last Monday it was not a factor) is leading to more cases.

    Words are extremely important and this use of casual language is not right from a CMO.


  • #6515
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Obvious now we needed to go hard and heavy with a lockdown on January the first and I mean an actual lockdown not this half baked rubbish we are doing now. It would have given business a chance to open up next month and schools also now we have zero chance of that.


  • #6516
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So returning residents need to get from the port/airport to home under your plan.
    How’s that happen? How many people do they interact with on the way?
    How do we make sure they are quarantining?
    What about if they have elderly at risk at home?
    residents plus non residents need to quarantine in designated hotels to make sure they’re not bringing covid in.

    Not my plan. Dominic Rabb’s plan. There is mandatory negative PCR test requirement as well, remember.

    The enforced hotel stay thing for all arrivals is just not going to happen. I can see the GPS tracking plan being implemented though


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  • #6517
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    There's people in 20s and 30s with no underlying conditions in hospitals. I don't think this is going to disappear in space of a few months.

    Think people might think of flu and that vulnerable can get flu vaccine and most other people fine but with people can getting severely ill with covid and the very random nature of how ill people get, whether they get long covid etc still presents a risk.
    I don't actually recall saying months and the issue of how and why some people are so badly affected is still little understood. It's disappointing how slow research has been in that area.


  • #6518
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    darem93 wrote: »
    Mandatory quarantine absolutely should be introduced and as said on the last page, should have been introduced when we had the numbers in single digits.

    However how could we trust our government to enforce it when they can't even enforce the most basic measures they brought in just last week?

    https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1350767017192783872

    It would honestly make your blood boil :rolleyes:

    Except a negative PCR test is required for entry and people coming from Brazil are being requested to identify themselves. And there perhaps should be more vigilance on this aspect.


  • #6519
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Obvious now we needed to go hard and heavy with a lockdown on January the first and I mean an actual lockdown not this half baked rubbish we are doing now. It would have given business a chance to open up next month and schools also now we have zero chance of that.
    The half-baked nonsense is as good as we can do, nearly a year after this started. Infections are still vey high but slowing heading down and more importantly contacts are below 3. That alone suggests we are mostly behaving ourselves.


  • #6520
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I don't actually recall saying months and the issue of how and why some people are so badly affected is still little understood. It's disappointing how slow research has been in that area.

    You didn't specify a specific timeframe but I was basing it on your mentioning that once vulnerable people were vaccinated which should happen in space of months.


  • #6521
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I wonder is the disease getting worse based on what the CMO said yesterday.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0116/1190204-daily-covid-figures/

    "When you consider that a significant percentage of our daily cases will directly lead to hospitalisation and mortality, the urgency with which we need to act becomes clear," he said.

    If this is the case the politicians need to level with people and we need to move to the most severe 2km lock down.

    The list of essential workers renders any distance limits pointless.


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  • #6522
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not my plan. Dominic Rabb’s plan. There is mandatory negative PCR test requirement as well, remember.

    The enforced hotel stay thing for all arrivals is just not going to happen. I can see the GPS tracking plan being implemented though

    I don’t think it’ll happen either because we have absolutely useless policy makers in power at the wrong time.
    But it absolutely should.


  • #6523
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The half-baked nonsense is as good as we can do, nearly a year after this started. Infections are still vey high but slowing heading down and more importantly contacts are below 3. That alone suggests we are mostly behaving ourselves.

    We’ve 3k new cases a day! How are we behaving ourselves?

    Worst case scenario: if the virus didn’t work for whatever reason this country would be in a permanent lockdown as the government can’t gets its act together re stopping the virus coming into the country.


  • #6524
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    darem93 wrote: »
    Mandatory quarantine absolutely should be introduced and as said on the last page, should have been introduced when we had the numbers in single digits.

    However how could we trust our government to enforce it when they can't even enforce the most basic measures they brought in just last week?

    https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1350767017192783872

    It would honestly make your blood boil :rolleyes:

    “The Department of Justice yesterday confirmed there was now a policy of allowing passengers whose Covid-19 status was unknown to continue on their journeys on arrival in Ireland”

    What does the above even mean? I thought as of this weekend, a negative PCR test was required?


  • #6525
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    A person hospitalised with covid every 30 seconds in UK.
    That's mental.


  • #6526
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    I don’t think it’ll happen either because we have absolutely useless policy makers in power at the wrong time.
    But it absolutely should.

    IMO, negative PCR test for arrivals and more robust GPS tracking to identify quarantine rule breakers (with an option to shorten the quarantine time with a 2nd negative PCR test after 5 days) is a sufficient level of risk mitigation given that the number of non-resident arrivals (ie. tourists) will be minimal.


  • #6527
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    You didn't specify a specific timeframe but I was basing it on your mentioning that once vulnerable people were vaccinated which should happen in space of months.
    So not me at all!


  • #6528
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Which means your plan (ZC) is completely workable.

    the plan of everyone going to restaurants in December just before extended families gathering was a good one. It's working out really well if you ignoramus'se the following
    • schools being closed (which people said "Isn't going to happen pal")
    • non emergency hospital care cancelled
    • hundreds of thousands of people on the PUP.......again

    some plan. The fact we are allowing the latest 2.0 variants isn't surprising but it's nearly as dumb as "free for all festivities" . That was more about retail and hospitality than about combatting the virus.


  • #6529
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Donnelly on rte radio 1 now, in case you want some spoofing of a Sunday afternoon.


  • #6530
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    We’ve 3k new cases a day! How are we behaving ourselves?

    Worst case scenario: if the virus didn’t work for whatever reason this country would be in a permanent lockdown as the government can’t gets its act together re stopping the virus coming into the country.

    If the vaccine didn’t work and we were facing into a number of years of this, I think that the EU & UK would enact a bloc wide zero Covid strategy. No single EU country can do that in the long term on its own, not least due to the volume of land based freight moving around the EU.

    But there would be huge social unrest


  • #6531
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tom1ie wrote: »
    We’ve 3k new cases a day! How are we behaving ourselves?

    Worst case scenario: if the virus didn’t work for whatever reason this country would be in a permanent lockdown as the government can’t gets its act together re stopping the virus coming into the country.
    That's 50% of what it was just over a week ago, hopefully closer to 2,000 by the end of next week. Behaving ourselves is contacts down to under 3 and and 1 outside the household.


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  • #6532
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    the plan of everyone going to restaurants in December just before extended families gathering was a good one. It's working out really well if you ignoramus'se the following
    • schools being closed (which people said "Isn't going to happen pal")
    • non emergency hospital care cancelled
    • hundreds of thousands of people on the PUP.......again

    some plan. The fact we are allowing the latest 2.0 variants isn't surprising but it's nearly as dumb as "free for all festivities" . That was more about retail and hospitality than about combatting the virus.

    Zero Covid is not possible. That is not to say that measures cannot be taken and mistakes were not made. I advocated for PCR testing months ago but a strict quarantine policy (with the open border) would be the single biggest economic own goal in 100 years.


  • #6533
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Was just going to post the same.

    I wonder how much the vaccination program has fed into people dropping their guard.
    I think this could be a big problem. There'll be a press release in February stating 99% HCWs and nursing home residents have been vaccinated, and people will take that to mean it's all over and we can just act as if the virus is gone.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    The half-baked nonsense is as good as we can do, nearly a year after this started. Infections are still vey high but slowing heading down and more importantly contacts are below 3. That alone suggests we are mostly behaving ourselves.
    I'm taking all contact numbers and claimed sources of infection with a pinch of salt. We only have the infected person's word for it, and I simply don't believe that they're owning up to having relatives over for tea or meeting up for cans in a friend's house. We saw yesterday a doctor saying a person who tested positive claiming their only human interaction was picking up their shopping from a person standing 3 meters away. Not a chance of it.


  • #6534
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Eod100 wrote: »
    There's people in 20s and 30s with no underlying conditions in hospitals. I don't think this is going to disappear in space of a few months.

    do we have figures for ages hospitalised with covid?


  • #6535
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    IMO, negative PCR test for arrivals and more robust GPS tracking to identify quarantine rule breakers (with an option to shorten the quarantine time with a 2nd negative PCR test after 5 days) is a sufficient level of risk mitigation given that the number of non-resident arrivals (ie. tourists) will be minimal.

    It’s not though.
    Biologically what the difference between a resident returning g to Ireland and a tourist? Nothing.
    They can both carry the virus.


  • #6536
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,088 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Zero Covid is not possible. That is not to say that measures cannot be taken and mistakes were not made. I advocated for PCR testing months ago but a strict quarantine policy (with the open border) would be the single biggest economic own goal in 100 years.

    We already have the single biggest economic own goal.


  • #6537
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    do we have figures for ages hospitalised with covid?

    Ronan Glynn said last week 1 in 3 admission were under 65.


  • #6538
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s not though.
    Biologically what the difference between a resident returning g to Ireland and a tourist? Nothing.
    They can both carry the virus.

    A resident has a residence....somewhere to go and be tracked. A tourist does not (but there ate no tourists anyway). It’s risk mitigation, not elimination. Elimination, IMO, is not practically possible for a single country in Europe.....it could only be done on an EU wide coordinated basis

    But we won’t agree on ZC, so will leave it there


  • #6539
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    lawred2 wrote: »
    The list of essential workers renders any distance limits pointless.

    Pretty much this, it seems way too broad.

    My own job is on the list, but I haven't been in an office since last March because I just don't need or want to be. I can imagine some employers in same industry or similar may not be as flexible.


  • #6540
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Donnelly on rte radio 1 now, in case you want some spoofing of a Sunday afternoon.[/quote

    Each time he appears in the media his rhetoric becomes even less believable.... the biggest spoofer we have ever had as a Minister.


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  • #6541
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    tom1ie wrote: »
    We already have the single biggest economic own goal.

    The financial crisis?


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