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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6032
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Lemonzero wrote: »
    Passed by a dublin city playground today. Totally packed.Lots of groups of teenagers together as well.no comparison to first lockdown.dont know they are going to get the cases numbers way down.and thats before the variant is considered

    I passed two playgrounds today and it was the same. The parents congregating in little huddles while the kids all mingled. I know its really tough for both parties but its too fecking dangerous right now. They are deliberately bending the restrictions rules and thus facilitating the spread of this wretched virus.

    Playgrounds should be closed like they were in the original level 5 in march.


  • #6033
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    seamus wrote: »
    By September, there'll be very few restrictions. Pubs will be open by then, if not way sooner.

    There'll be a level of caution goin into next Winter; fear of the unknown. But unless there is any data to indicate that the vaccines aren't holding, there will be no plan to go into new phases of restrictions.

    I'd say people will keep up mask wearing, if they are comfortable with it now. I can see myself wearing a mask on public transport, probably forever... certainly during cold and flu times.


  • #6034
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    I passed two playgrounds today and it was the same. The parents congregating in little huddles while the kids all mingled. I know its really tough for both parties but its too fecking dangerous right now. They are deliberately bending the restrictions rules and thus facilitating the spread of this wretched virus.

    Playgrounds should be closed like they were in the original level 5 in march.
    We need to stop targeting outdoor activities for closure just because they are visible - what's happening inside houses is far more dangerous. We are in a lockdown now which is going to last months, and people should be allowed find things to do outside without all the public shaming. Yes there is a small chance of transmission, but even in extreme cases (e.g. large-scale outdoor demonstrations with people shouting) there has been little evidence of widescale transmission as a consequence.


  • #6035
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    hmmm wrote: »
    We need to stop targeting outdoor activities for closure just because they are visible - what's happening inside houses is far more dangerous. We are in a lockdown now which is going to last months, and people should be allowed find things to do outside without all the public shaming. Yes there is a small chance of transmission, but even in extreme cases (e.g. large-scale outdoor demonstrations with people shouting) there has been little evidence of widescale transmission as a consequence.

    it is simply not true also to consider this virus dangerous for children.

    there's no evidence for it.

    let children get out in fresh air.

    and worry more about your own private gatherings in your own home.


  • #6036
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was out tonight in Hanoi down the old quarter. I'd say a thousand people were out around this one corner in countless little bars watching Heineken-sponsored DJs on a massive publicly-funded stage.

    Proper party atmosphere. Not a mask in sight. Life completely normal. Just a mad Saturday night in Hanoi.

    It blows my mind that international travel is so important to the West, continuous lockdowns are preferable. How often do any of ye even travel abroad anyway..

    Contact tracing. Dedicated Covid-19 hospitals. Mandatory quarantine if you have it, and mandatory quarantine if you arrive in the country. Shut down entire towns for a couple of weeks if there's an outbreak. Northern Ireland isn't an excuse.. You can't say none of it was done because of the border.

    If in 2019 I asked you which country would allow the infected live in the same household as the uninfected during a pandemic, you'd have all said Vietnam or China. That's a really sad fact. It would have been viewed as barbaric and uncaring if the Chinese took Ireland's approach. I can't believe my uncle and aunt were Covid-19 positive and allowed live at home with my cousin and they just use the kitchen at different times.

    Over 800 people were traced and tested the last time there was spread in the community here. They caught it, like they do every time. They said a year ago the medical system couldn't handle the virus so they just went for zero. I got extremely lucky living here.

    Go away with your fairy dust!


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  • #6037
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    I passed two playgrounds today and it was the same. The parents congregating in little huddles while the kids all mingled. I know its really tough for both parties but its too fecking dangerous right now. They are deliberately bending the restrictions rules and thus facilitating the spread of this wretched virus.

    Playgrounds should be closed like they were in the original level 5 in march.

    I think the opposite. Most outdoor things should be opened and encouraged. People should be allowed to outside the 5k for a playground, a country walk or the beach. There is very low risk in these places and it gives people something to do that doesn’t involve going into other people’s homes with no masks.


  • #6038
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was out tonight in Hanoi down the old quarter. I'd say a thousand people were out around this one corner in countless little bars watching Heineken-sponsored DJs on a massive publicly-funded stage.

    Proper party atmosphere. Not a mask in sight. Life completely normal. Just a mad Saturday night in Hanoi.

    It blows my mind that international travel is so important to the West, continuous lockdowns are preferable. How often do any of ye even travel abroad anyway..

    Contact tracing. Dedicated Covid-19 hospitals. Mandatory quarantine if you have it, and mandatory quarantine if you arrive in the country. Shut down entire towns for a couple of weeks if there's an outbreak. Northern Ireland isn't an excuse.. You can't say none of it was done because of the border.

    If in 2019 I asked you which country would allow the infected live in the same household as the uninfected during a pandemic, you'd have all said Vietnam or China. That's a really sad fact. It would have been viewed as barbaric and uncaring if the Chinese took Ireland's approach. I can't believe my uncle and aunt were Covid-19 positive and allowed live at home with my cousin and they just use the kitchen at different times.

    Over 800 people were traced and tested the last time there was spread in the community here. They caught it, like they do every time. They said a year ago the medical system couldn't handle the virus so they just went for zero. I got extremely lucky living here.


    I suggested something similar for Ireland recently and was called delusional :) Makes so much more sense to me to stamp it out with a hard lockdown, then open up fully with quarantine after travel, smash down hard on every outbreak after that with test, trace, isolate and local serious lockdowns - eg a village or apartment block etc.
    Like, how are we happy to have this shyte become endemic and to have repeated biannual vaccines chasing endless mutations?
    Create green zones, protect them, and move steadily across the world. And to those who say we cannot do anything globally, yeesh, wouldn't it be one good shagging thing out of globalisation. Does pouring endless porn on smart phones into the remotest areas of the planet have to be the pinnacle of our global civilisational achievements?


  • #6039
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Covid-99

    Can I have it with some raspberry ripple and some sprinkles


  • #6040
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was out tonight in Hanoi down the old quarter. I'd say a thousand people were out around this one corner in countless little bars watching Heineken-sponsored DJs on a massive publicly-funded stage.

    Proper party atmosphere. Not a mask in sight. Life completely normal. Just a mad Saturday night in Hanoi.

    It blows my mind that international travel is so important to the West, continuous lockdowns are preferable. How often do any of ye even travel abroad anyway..

    Contact tracing. Dedicated Covid-19 hospitals. Mandatory quarantine if you have it, and mandatory quarantine if you arrive in the country. Shut down entire towns for a couple of weeks if there's an outbreak. Northern Ireland isn't an excuse.. You can't say none of it was done because of the border.

    If in 2019 I asked you which country would allow the infected live in the same household as the uninfected during a pandemic, you'd have all said Vietnam or China. That's a really sad fact. It would have been viewed as barbaric and uncaring if the Chinese took Ireland's approach. I can't believe my uncle and aunt were Covid-19 positive and allowed live at home with my cousin and they just use the kitchen at different times.

    Over 800 people were traced and tested the last time there was spread in the community here. They caught it, like they do every time. They said a year ago the medical system couldn't handle the virus so they just went for zero. I got extremely lucky living here.


    Would you like the political system of Vietnam in Ireland? These things often go hand in hand because they have an ability to control their populations with laws that would not be accepted in Ireland.


  • #6041
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Eod100 wrote: »
    At least 70% is estimated to be needed for herd immunity. It's not as easy as just vaccinating those most vulnerable to exposure unfortunately.

    We dont know that. It may be it may not be.


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  • #6042
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    60 more deaths, 3,231 further new cases


  • #6043
    Purple Papillon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭Purple Papillon


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    How can there be virus in the ice cream? Are they suggesting it was in whey powder from Ukraine? (Surely not the NZ milk powder as NZ have almost zero covid). This is a weird story. How could it survive pre production export/import and storage of ingredients. I'm having a brain fart moment..

    China has low food standards and serious health and safety issues. They had problem a few years ago with contaminated baby's milk formula.


  • #6044
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I don't see the point of emigrating, if its only being done cos you are annoyed how we managed the virus.
    To me thats just more typical Irish begrudgery.

    Nearly every country in the world has been affected similarly. Some managed it better as they had more severe lockdowns to get it under control. I don't think we had the appetite in Ireland for those types of hard lockdowns.

    A few days ago we were 2nd in Europe per head of population for number of people vaccinated.

    I think a lot of what makes Ireland appealing has and will be compromised until the end of 2021 and into Spring of 2022. For the next nearly two years it looks like countries with good weather and an outdoors scene will be key. Wet, cold Ireland with poor living standards and a limit on pub/club life is not somewhere young people want to be. Throw in the fact that if you emigrate you aren't putting any elderly relatives at risk and I think it's a no brainer for people in their 20s to get out to Australia or somewhere with a similar climate as soon as possible.


  • #6045
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    We dont know that. It may be it may not be.
    This is what scientists are saying. It could be as low as 50%.


  • #6046
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    60 more deaths, 3,231 further new cases

    Jesus Tonight

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #6047
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    We dont know that. It may be it may not be.

    It's generally the estimated level for herd immunity but have seen speculation with new variants it could be closer to 80%. Either way the more people that get the vaccine the better.


  • #6048
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    60 more deaths

    God almighty


  • #6049
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    60 more deaths, 3,231 further new cases

    That number isn’t going down. Seems to be plateauing at over 3000 cases a day.

    Are we certain this isn’t another case of the system being beyond max test capacity? That figure seems too similar for multiple days.

    Any backlogs ?


  • #6050
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    These things often go hand in hand because they have an ability to control their populations with laws that would not be accepted in Ireland.

    I've heard this phrase used a thousand times whenever the government gets criticized on almost anything related to Covid-19.

    The reality is we will soon be coming up to a year of devastating lockdowns that have destroyed nearly ever facet of life as we know it. Some industries/businesses permanently.

    In the face of that, there is absolutely nothing out there that should "not be accepted" in order to counter it. Nothing. Things cannot possibly get more devastating than the misery we are in right now. Whatever you want to say is "too far" pales in comparison to what these lockdowns have caused. The whole "we will never accept 3 weeks of total military shut down"....but will accept a year+ of economic shutdown just not enforced as much so it doesn't have the same results. Really?

    If people don't see this that they clearly have not been devastated as badly as others.


  • #6051
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Purple Papillon wrote: »
    China has low food standards and serious health and safety issues. They had problem a few years ago with contaminated baby's milk formula.

    No ? get away................3 posts, I hope they more informative :D


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  • #6052
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Jesus the deaths have really ramped up over the last few days, tis getting scary.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #6053
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    TimeToShine wrote: »
    I think a lot of what makes Ireland appealing has and will be compromised until the end of 2021 and into Spring of 2022. For the next nearly two years it looks like countries with good weather and an outdoors scene will be key. Wet, cold Ireland with poor living standards and a limit on pub/club life is not somewhere young people want to be. Throw in the fact that if you emigrate you aren't putting any elderly relatives at risk and I think it's a no brainer for people in their 20s to get out to Australia or somewhere with a similar climate as soon as possible.

    Ireland's weather is what you make of it yourself


  • #6054
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Numbers dropping stubbornly slowly.

    Hospitals will be in a right state very soon.


  • #6055
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    The_Brood wrote: »
    I've heard this phrase used a thousand times whenever the government gets criticized on almost anything related to Covid-19.

    The reality is we will soon be coming up to a year of devastating lockdowns that have destroyed nearly ever facet of life as we know it. Some industries/businesses permanently.

    In the face of that, there is absolutely nothing out there that should "not be accepted" in order to counter it. Nothing. Things cannot possibly get more devastating than the misery we are in right now. Whatever you want to say is "too far" pales in comparison to what these lockdowns have caused. The whole "we will never accept 3 weeks of total military shut down"....but will accept a year+ of economic shutdown just not enforced as much so it doesn't have the same results. Really?

    If people don't see this that they clearly have not been devastated as badly as others.

    It's a bit like the mindset that we couldn't possible have mandatory 2 week quarantine for limited number of people coming into the country because it would be such an imposition but whole country going into 3 lockdowns for bones of year wasn't apparently.


  • #6056
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Jesus the deaths have really ramped up over the last few days, tis getting scary.
    But not unexpected with so many COVID cases. CMO and Nolan have been saying it for a week or so. We may see it high for a while.


  • #6057
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Crocodile Booze wrote: »
    Numbers dropping stubbornly slowly.

    Hospitals will be in a right state very soon.

    Expected a much quicker drop than this . Where are they coming from


  • #6058
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    The_Brood wrote: »
    I've heard this phrase used a thousand times whenever the government gets criticized on almost anything related to Covid-19.

    The reality is we will soon be coming up to a year of devastating lockdowns that have destroyed nearly ever facet of life as we know it. Some industries/businesses permanently.

    In the face of that, there is absolutely nothing out there that should "not be accepted" in order to counter it. Nothing. Things cannot possibly get more devastating than the misery we are in right now. Whatever you want to say is "too far" pales in comparison to what these lockdowns have caused. The whole "we will never accept 3 weeks of total military shut down"....but will accept a year+ of economic shutdown just not enforced as much so it doesn't have the same results. Really?

    If people don't see this that they clearly have not been devastated as badly as others.

    It’s a case of pulling the plaster off quickly, or very, very slowly. Taking it half off and then putting it back on again over and over.

    Rest of Europe and the USA are the same.


  • #6059
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Expected a much quicker drop than this . Where are they coming from

    Cases have dropped 50% in a week iirc


  • #6060
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Jesus the deaths have really ramped up over the last few days, tis getting scary.

    All is well, you'll be sipping pints before september.




    this is a sarcastic post, rip to the 60


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  • #6061
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Datacore wrote: »
    That number isn’t going down. Seems to be plateauing at over 3000 cases a day.

    Are we certain this isn’t another case of the system being beyond max test capacity? That figure seems too similar for multiple days.

    Any backlogs ?

    They've ramped up elements of mass testing (nursing homes hospital staff close contacts in hospitals) so the number is plateuing but the level of disease in the community is probably dropping.

    The level of drop is notable too over the last week or 10 days. You may be expecting a little much.


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