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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5822
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    My other half now doesn't want to take the vaccine. She has a colleague at work that seems to be sending her videos and stuff. She sent me one on this evening, I took a look at it and it was some far right crackpot from America who was preaching against the vaccine and everything covid.

    I'm trying to reason with her and told her to look at some stuff from verified websites and not social media - where she seems to be getting a lot of disinformation. I also suggested ringing her GP for advice.

    I blame influencers and the far right. It's very frustrating though.

    I think it's going to be a big problem here within a few years. Not just vaccines but with politics in general. Imported from US and UK to lesser extent with Brexit.

    Think government needs to get ahead of it with information campaigns etc but then some people would be skeptical of those too so it's a vicious circle.

    There's a fairly lengthy thread here which gives some insight: https://twitter.com/dannagal/status/1347564138738946050

    At the end has links to a TED talk https://www.ted.com/talks/dannagal_g_young_the_psychological_traits_that_shape_your_political_beliefs?language=en and aricle https://www.vox.com/first-person/2020/5/15/21258855/coronavirus-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-cancer


  • #5823
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    If that kind of bull****e is being peddled maybe she should be looking to change the people in her circle.

    We've been pumping our grannies full of conspiracy theory nonsense for about a decade now, via facebook.

    They only signed up to see photos of Declan, and now they're all enlisted in aryan yoga zoom classes.
    It's the end of times. thank god


  • #5824
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    My other half now doesn't want to take the vaccine. She has a colleague at work that seems to be sending her videos and stuff. She sent me one on this evening, I took a look at it and it was some far right crackpot from America who was preaching against the vaccine and everything covid.

    I'm trying to reason with her and told her to look at some stuff from verified websites and not social media - where she seems to be getting a lot of disinformation. I also suggested ringing her GP for advice.

    I blame influencers and the far right. It's very frustrating though.

    I know it’s pedantic, but surely that’s far left?


  • #5825
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    My other half now doesn't want to take the vaccine. She has a colleague at work that seems to be sending her videos and stuff. She sent me one on this evening, I took a look at it and it was some far right crackpot from America who was preaching against the vaccine and everything covid.

    Human memory is short term in grad scheme of things. History is bound to repeat then.


  • #5826
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    My other half now doesn't want to take the vaccine. She has a colleague at work that seems to be sending her videos and stuff. She sent me one on this evening, I took a look at it and it was some far right crackpot from America who was preaching against the vaccine and everything covid.

    I'm trying to reason with her and told her to look at some stuff from verified websites and not social media - where she seems to be getting a lot of disinformation. I also suggested ringing her GP for advice.

    I blame influencers and the far right. It's very frustrating though.
    I find it strange that a couple wouldn't have the same opinion on something like this. If my wife told me she wouldn't take the vaccination I'd be flabbergasted and I would seriously question how well we know each other.


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  • #5827
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    I find it strange that a couple wouldn't have the same opinion on something like this. If my wife told me she wouldn't take the vaccination I'd be flabbergasted and I would seriously question how well we know each other.

    what if your wife was 70+


  • #5828
    Bunny Colvin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    I find it strange that a couple wouldn't have the same opinion on something like this. If my wife told me she wouldn't take the vaccination I'd be flabbergasted and I would seriously question how well we know each other.

    Yeah well it's strange times man. Roll with the punches and all that.


  • #5829
    Bunny Colvin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I know it’s pedantic, but surely that’s far left?

    Nah far right. The religious conspiracy mob.


  • #5830
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    Nah far right. The religious conspiracy mob.

    No, Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism"

    Definitely left wing.

    I’ll take the vaccine, anyone who doesn’t is left wing, anyone who forces them is right wing.

    IMO


  • #5831
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    Nah far right. The religious conspiracy mob.

    I don't mean to be negative, Bunny, but they're the worst kind of right-wing nutjobs


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  • #5832
    Bunny Colvin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No, Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism"

    Definitely left wing.

    I’ll take the vaccine, anyone who doesn’t is left wing, anyone who forces them is right wing.

    IMO

    You'll find the anti vaccination crowd are the same that follow a lot of the conspiracies. See Gemma O'Doherty and the like.
    The video I saw this evening was from a doctor speaking against the vaccine and was anti-lockdown and all that craic. She was even in Capitol Hill last week for the riots, I think the FBI are looking for her :D

    I take your point about the definition though.


  • #5833
    Bunny Colvin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭Bunny Colvin


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I don't mean to be negative, Bunny, but they're the worst kind of right-wing nutjobs

    Haha, she wouldn't be in with them. It's just the vaccine that has got her attention for some reason, she's scared.


  • #5834
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    what if your wife was 70+

    As someone in my mid 30s I'd be disappointed that my wife was in her 70s.


  • #5835
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think it's going to be a big problem here within a few years. Not just vaccines but with politics in general. Imported from US and UK to lesser extent with Brexit.

    Think government needs to get ahead of it with information campaigns etc but then some people would be skeptical of those too so it's a vicious circle.

    There's a fairly lengthy thread here which gives some insight: https://twitter.com/dannagal/status/1347564138738946050

    At the end has links to a TED talk https://www.ted.com/talks/dannagal_g_young_the_psychological_traits_that_shape_your_political_beliefs?language=en and aricle https://www.vox.com/first-person/2020/5/15/21258855/coronavirus-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-cancer

    Taken from a description of Adam Curtis Bitter Lake
    Politicians used to have the confidence to tell us stories that made sense of the chaos of world events. But now there are no big stories and politicians react randomly to every new crisis - leaving us bewildered and disorientated.

    To get through to the majority you need to tell stories not bombard them with facts. Its how humans have transfered information from one generation to the next for hundreds of thousands of years.


  • #5836
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    As someone in my mid 30s I'd be disappointed that my wife was in her 70s.

    a woman only peaks in her early 80s

    you're in for a world of pain


  • #5837
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    get him, elderly people


  • #5838
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »

    I’ll take the vaccine, anyone who doesn’t is left wing, anyone who forces them is right wing.

    IMO

    Do they have to be political extremists, can't they just be idiots who spend too much time on social media?


  • #5839
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Bunny Colvin wrote: »
    Nah far right. The religious conspiracy mob.

    I have a relative swayed by all that. From what she told me over a monologue telephone call was that they wholeheartedly believe that Satan is working through all world authorities (aside from Trump and a minority of others) to control us in various guises to eventually take us down to Hell. It's got to be scary to believe that.


  • #5840
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    Northern Ireland

    No coherent the poster said.


  • #5841
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I meant open their borders normally. Yeah life there is more normal but only because they are pretty much keeping the world out. Thats fine short term but not sustainable in the long term. They have almost zero immunity among the population, thats the difference between them and most of the rest of the world. Will the vaccine be mandatory there? The vaccine isn't a magic bullet. Norway for example are now saying that very old and frail people shouldn't get it after there have been 23 deaths in that group so far. If this becomes a widespread recommendation then that still leaves care homes vulnerable to outbreaks if the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

    In regards to Norway's vaccination they are only stopping vaccination in there ter 9 group, this group is thermally ill with a life expectancy of 6 months to a year.
    The deaths acoured in a age group all over 85 years old.
    This group were only been vaccinated in the hope to stop undetected transmission.
    Norway are still vaccinating nursing homes and the elderly.


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  • #5842
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    Stheno wrote: »
    Majcos if you don't mind me asking, from those numbers there are approx 100 non Covid people in ICU

    Are they separated from the covid patients, like we have Covid and non Covid A and E?

    Good question.

    Where I work, iCU has been moved to another part of the hospital. Sliding doors have been installed and beds are now in cubicles housing separate rooms for patients so all ICU patients whether covid positive or negative are separated.


  • #5843
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Why don't we do this here? Since march people just said HEPA filters and "there's no evidence". It looks as though that evidence was deliberately suppressed. I wonder why. Ironically transparency would create trust. We've not done very well on transparency about risk. The 48 hour contact tracing meant that it was impossible to find the source of infection in most cases which conveniently bolstered "the no evidence argument". Whether that be pub / restaurant / flight / schools etc.

    If that's the level it is on flights in Canada it would be naive to think that a similar number of potential exposures occur here. At the very least it would allow people to take precautions and prevent them spreading it on if they were unfortunate to contract it.
    Data from Canadian public health authorities show a near daily occurrence of flights where a passenger may have been infected while flying. From the start of the coronavirus pandemic in March through early January, the Public Health Agency of Canada has identified potential exposure on more than 1,600 international flights and more than 1,400 flights within Canada, for a total of more than 3,000 flights, including nearly 200 in the past two weeks alone.

    The details aren't buried in some secret database. Canada has been posting public COVID-19 exposure alerts online for flights, trains and cruise ships throughout the pandemic. Flights are listed as soon as authorities receive word of a positive test of a recent traveler, regardless of where and when they might have been infected, factors that are hard to pinpoint in most COVID-19 cases.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/exposure-flights-cruise-ships-mass-gatherings.html

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  • #5844
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Puppies and Cushions

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants


  • #5845
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Hospital numbers have updated on the dashboard this morning. 1848 compared to 1846 yesterday morning. Hopefully will start falling next week.


  • #5846
    ImDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ImDave


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    irish gps fighting 3rd wave

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants


    Very concerning anecdotes in that article - I would say almost unhelpfully concerning for vulnerable folks already doing everything they can.

    He cites a typical example of a patient living alone and having her shopping delivered by a neighbour to inside her door, as an example of how infectious the virus can be. “The vulnerable person is sitting inside the porch four or five metres away. The person who’s delivering the shopping drops it inside the porch. They’re asymptomatic. And the vulnerable person catches it. I’ve heard loads of those kinds of stories.”


  • #5847
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    irish gps fighting 3rd wave

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants

    Thats the most worrying article I have read in a long time. I do wonder if it was unduly so, did she only use the worrying quotes from GPs? If we went to be tested every time someone in my house had those symptoms since lockdown started we would have at least 3 or 4 tests a week.


  • #5848
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    irish gps fighting 3rd wave

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants

    The thing with this article is that it is sounding the alarm over the new variant, but also suggests there is a much higher rate of infection than is confirmed through the tests. I'm not sure it's true to the extent the article makes out?


  • #5849
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Thats the most worrying article I have read in a long time. I do wonder if it was unduly so, did she only use the worrying quotes from GPs? If we went to be tested every time someone in my house had those symptoms since lockdown started we would have at least 3 or 4 tests a week.

    Im not a fan of that columnist and it is just anecdotal however if Gps are seeing different symptoms and higher transmission rates within households then this could prolong times, reopening etc.

    Hopefully the higher transmission is more due to reduced social distancing over the holiday period as people reverted to old christmas ways.


  • #5850
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Probes wrote: »
    The thing with this article is that it is sounding the alarm over the new variant, but also suggests there is a much higher rate of infection than is confirmed through the tests. I'm not sure it's true to the extent the article makes out?

    Exactly, whatever way you slice it or dice it 85%, or crudely 6 out of every 7 people referred for a test by a GP over the last week (whether using HSE criteria or these GPs new gut instinct) have come back negative. Very had to reconcile that fact with the tone of that article. I think the IT needs to do better than having such a sensationalist article in these times. You can get across those key messages (that symptoms are varying) in a far more balanced article


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  • #5851
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    irish gps fighting 3rd wave

    So that sniffle may well be covid with these new variants

    Can confirm, stayed off work as I had a cough and GP sent me for a test. Already had Covid in October.... still waiting on results, I'll go mad if it's positive again :mad:

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



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