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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5762
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I do my essential grocery shopping mainly around Churchtown (Dublin), and I often have to pass a gauntlet of coffee drinkers on the pavement outside a particular cafe there. There's another coffee shop doing takeaways there but at least it has an outdoor area where all the customers coral. There seems no stopping people hanging around in pretty close groups, although I know the risk is lesser outdoors.


  • #5763
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks things are getting better is going to be in for a rude shock fairly soon.

    Why do you think the UK government is shutting down all travel into the UK?

    They know what's coming, the variant strain from Brazil is the real deal, immune to the vaccine and far more contagious.


    Good man you'll get a few with that.;)


  • #5764
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Will schools even open back up this side of the summer in the UK?

    Feeling could be the same here. Once we hit march they will think what's the point at this stage as only 3 months out from the summer and Easter taking up 2 weeks of that.

    Schools will be open end of month, Foley is on the warpath, come hell or highwater she will have them reopened


  • #5765
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yes its great to be in aus and nz. Not so great if you ever want to leave or see family abroad again, or if you're a citizen or resident trying to get back. They are in trouble if the vaccine doesn't actually stop transmission. They can never open up normally and keep covid out and stop it spreading if that is the case. It could be that the rest of the world is done with covid while Australia and nz are continually trying to control outbreaks due to lack of immunity in the population. I reckon we won't know what the best approach to this was for a couple of years.

    Why could they not open up normally? sounds more like sour grapes than any sense.

    Sure they are using same vaccines in Australia as Ireland, the vaccines people in Ireland are assured will protect the vulnerable to reduce restrictions..... and open up normally.

    That’s the whole point of vaccination is it not? the transmission issues is no different in Australia than in Ireland. The majority of population in Australia will be vaccinated by September/October so a similar timeline. If the vaccine is going solve Ireland big problems it sure as hell solve Australia little problem.

    The only difference is life atm in Australia is more normal, they are just sitting back watching the rest of the world burn. Only another 9 months to go.


  • #5766
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Schools will be open end of month, Foley is on the warpath, come hell or highwater she will have them reopened

    There is zero chance of that happening. The unions will laugh at her warpath.


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  • #5767
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The UK is looking towards Easter to have all the vulnerable vaccinated, Schools are likely to remain closed until then with exams already cancelled.

    France has introduced curfews from 6 pm, Germany similar, and talks of April being the likely date for restrictions to be removed.

    yet some people think Ireland is in a better position?

    With Norma foley at the helm schools are opening first of February in my opinion. Regardless of whether it makes the situation worse. The tone of her responses is that she is absolutely spitting fire that she had to capitulate and will open the schools come hell or high water. She left three unions waiting for an hour for a scheduled meeting last week and only stayed 5 minutes. Then she had the neck to describe that as consultation.

    Word tonight I head is that unless nphet explicitly advise in writing not to open the schools it’s happening


  • #5768
    obi604
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,332 ✭✭✭obi604


    So 50 deaths is the daily figure for today.
    What has been our highest figure for deaths? Or is it 50?


  • #5769
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    With Norma foley at the helm schools are opening first of February in my opinion. Regardless of whether it makes the situation worse. The tone of her responses is that she is absolutely spitting fire that she had to capitulate and will open the schools come hell or high water. She left three unions waiting for an hour for a scheduled meeting last week and only stayed 5 minutes. Then she had the neck to describe that as consultation.

    Word tonight I head is that unless nphet explicitly advise in writing not to open the schools it’s happening

    Isn't that how all decisions should be made?


  • #5770
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    obi604 wrote: »
    So 50 deaths is the daily figure for today.
    What has been our highest figure for deaths? Or is it 50?

    77 last April


  • #5771
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    How exactly are Brazilians supposed to self-isolate? Yes, some of them are working as programmers for Google and can self isolate in a 5 star hotel if they like, but most of the Brazilian population are working in minimum wage jobs they are massively overqualified for (you aren't allowed to work in a profession on a student visa) and living in communal spaces, 20-40 people per apartment before the pandemic (I'm sure that's much better and less crowded now though).

    Still, how do you self-isolate when you are living in a flat with 10 other people and one bathroom and half of them are essential workers; working in supermarkets, in health care, delivering food, not allowed to stay home in level 5.

    If they are ordering all recently arrived Brazilians to self-isolate for 2 weeks I hope they are offering them hotel rooms, or that's not going to work.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0115/1190073-brazil-covid-variant/

    It's impossible. And btw it is a dark human rights shambles of a crisis that they were forced in such conditions in the first place due to lack of choice. Government will ignore it, Tony will wag his finger at us, and they'll keep is in endless lockdowns, content that their puppets will back them no matter what.


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  • #5772
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    Sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place. There have been numerous cases in my workplace and we are not been told. If we don't have 15 mins face to face contact then we are not deemed a close contact or together for two hours. We are in and around the same spaces all day so surely that must mean we are exposed? I've been looking it up and can't find any information in Ireland. In other countries they take regular short contacts into account


  • #5773
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    This is ongoing every week. We are using the same bathrooms etc and in the same building yet noone officially tells us anything


  • #5774
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    There are ten cases in last two weeks


  • #5775
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Schools will be open end of month, Foley is on the warpath, come hell or highwater she will have them reopened

    Not a chance.


  • #5776
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    Sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place. There have been numerous cases in my workplace and we are not been told. If we don't have 15 mins face to face contact then we are not deemed a close contact or together for two hours. We are in and around the same spaces all day so surely that must mean we are exposed? I've been looking it up and can't find any information in Ireland. In other countries they take regular short contacts into account

    When I see the same staff stacking the shelves up very close together in my local SuperValu, I know it is these type of situations that will unfortunately continue to spread the virus.


  • #5777
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    I think the very reasonable evidence proving aerosol transmission is not widely reported upon because of economic reasons.


  • #5778
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yes its great to be in aus and nz. Not so great if you ever want to leave or see family abroad again, or if you're a citizen or resident trying to get back. They are in trouble if the vaccine doesn't actually stop transmission. They can never open up normally and keep covid out and stop it spreading if that is the case. It could be that the rest of the world is done with covid while Australia and nz are continually trying to control outbreaks due to lack of immunity in the population. I reckon we won't know what the best approach to this was for a couple of years.

    Amazing the mental gymnastics people will go through. They made the right decision, time to just accept it.

    On 1st point - hardship of those separated by travel "bans" and restrictions/quarantines does not seem to equate to curtailment of all apsects of normal life for months at a time and spectre of a collapse of hospital/healthcare systems hanging over everyone. That's without even mentioning the excess deaths + sometimes life changing illness caused by the virus.

    On second, "opening up" is a matter for the future. If the vaccines work as advertised they vaccinate just as we are doing and get the same benefits from it. They lose nothing really. I think at this stage, the odd idea that having very large numbers of infections is some kind of benefit has been disproven.

    I don't think people in 1st world countries will readily accept a more "natural" progress of this disease through the population, which you suggest is desirable (to get a sort of "immunity" vs people in Aus/Nz). There will be alot of deaths and destruction of their modern hospital systems while that happens (...just don't get seriously ill or have an accident!).


  • #5779
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    When I see the same staff stacking the shelves up very close together in my local SuperValu, I know it is these type of situations that will unfortunately continue to spread the virus.

    I'm working in an office building.


  • #5780
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I do my essential grocery shopping mainly around Churchtown (Dublin), and I often have to pass a gauntlet of coffee drinkers on the pavement outside a particular cafe there. There's another coffee shop doing takeaways there but at least it has an outdoor area where all the customers coral. There seems no stopping people hanging around in pretty close groups, although I know the risk is lesser outdoors.

    I’ve an elderly relative living in a hipster infested area of Dublin City Centre & she has been terrified to go out all autumn because of this.

    They were all gathering sitting on the pavement edges in a residential area, full of a lot of very elderly people.

    I’m not sure if that’s still an issue now as she no longer goes out at all due to the peak.

    The Gardai need to move this kind of stuff on.


  • #5781
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,666 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Why could they not open up normally? sounds more like sour grapes than any sense.

    Sure they are using same vaccines in Australia as Ireland, the vaccines people in Ireland are assured will protect the vulnerable to reduce restrictions..... and open up normally.

    That’s the whole point of vaccination is it not? the transmission issues is no different in Australia than in Ireland. The majority of population in Australia will be vaccinated by September/October so a similar timeline. If the vaccine is going solve Ireland big problems it sure as hell solve Australia little problem.

    The only difference is life atm in Australia is more normal, they are just sitting back watching the rest of the world burn. Only another 9 months to go.

    I meant open their borders normally. Yeah life there is more normal but only because they are pretty much keeping the world out. Thats fine short term but not sustainable in the long term. They have almost zero immunity among the population, thats the difference between them and most of the rest of the world. Will the vaccine be mandatory there? The vaccine isn't a magic bullet. Norway for example are now saying that very old and frail people shouldn't get it after there have been 23 deaths in that group so far. If this becomes a widespread recommendation then that still leaves care homes vulnerable to outbreaks if the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.


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  • #5782
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    I was called a liar the other night and accused of fabricating a wife because I had said that her hospital had a majority of covid cases acquired in hospital over people turning up solely with covid symptoms so bad that they required hospitalisation. Despite referencing her profession on boards over 10 years ago. And now there we have reports of over 50% in some hospitals during this wave. Her hospital has always and still does have more people in it with hospital acquired covid than people coming in with symptoms for it. And it's not all people coming in with bumps and bruises or sprains and testing positive. Some are people who are in for more serious conditions and have already been in hospital for weeks. Look at the free beds, the admissions and discharges. You can see it in the figures for some hospitals. And I don't mean all hospitals. I only have input from one hospital.

    The point of my post was to offer another view of the situation from a first hand perspective. No agenda or down playing impact of covid as any of my other minimal posts in this forum would show. The case numbers are still the same regardless and not that it makes a massive difference to how people got it in terms of hospital capacity or the severity of the virus on an individual. But it does show that there is more info behind the stats. And it does have an impact on how people perceive the situation. Of course it's bad in hospitals. Holistically it's bad because of covid. Anyone who says it's grand or A and E is empty and flu seasons are just as bad are talking boll0x. But I do think using the words admissions without additional context adds unnecessary fear. Even my own mother was terrified when reading reports of 100-200 admissions in 24 hours, despite not leaving the house. It's implied that people from the community are so sick from covid that they pouring into hospitals each day during level 5 restrictions. It breeds a lot of fear for people who may be struggling enough already.

    Only seeing this now as just on..

    That would be me , and I offer my apologies for calling you a liar, sincerely , if you are indeed not
    The hospital I work in has a distinct mix of elderly and younger people sick withCovid , some acquired inhospitalwhile hospitalisedsome admitted wothCovidsymptoms and tested positive , some tested before admission and then deteriorated.
    We are most certainly under severe pressure ,not as you say your wife describes, and I find it hard to understand that her experience would be so much different to mine and my colleagues' .
    I have not found that much evidence of what your wife describes where I work and was so upset and worn out that day with what was transpiring I thought you were yet another Covid denier trying to down play what was going on in our hospitals.
    There have been a few and some are replying to your posts on here .
    However I take exception to the statement that I or others posting here are just posting " unnecessary fear "
    I have only ever posted what I find , and have been a lot more realistic in my outlook than some of those who have thanked your post .
    Do you not think many of your wife's colleagues and workmates are not struggling these last few weeks and deserve a bit of honesty in reporting what is going on ?
    I am surprised that despite your protests that you are telling the truth , you continue to pursue a posting style which discusses accurate reporting as adding unnecessary fear .
    Many people especially vulnerable , are afraid to leave the house atm, with good reason.
    Why would you try to minimise that justifiable caution?

    You and your wife are entitled to your opinions however , even if I do not agree at all with them , without being called a liar ...for that again I apologise .


  • #5783
    Glenomra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    a rather minor question. Does anyone know the cost of an individual set of PUP gear. Speaking to one care worker today and she told me that she and her colleagues use on average 8 sets per day .. each. Sounds costly!


  • #5784
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I see a film has been made about the current pandemic called Songbird, I see it has just been released on Prime, I'm hoping maybe Netflix will get this too, maybe I'll watch.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #5785
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    niallo27 threadban lifted following discussion with user


  • #5786
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Amazing the mental gymnastics people will go through. They made the right decision, time to just accept it.

    On 1st point - hardship of those separated by travel "bans" and restrictions/quarantines does not seem to equate to curtailment of all apsects of normal life for months at a time and spectre of a collapse of hospital/healthcare systems hanging over everyone. That's without even mentioning the excess deaths + sometimes life changing illness caused by the virus.

    The “travel bans” is a moot point, if you have family overseas you can apply for an exemption if for their or your wellbeing it would be necessary to visit it will be granted.

    Same for essential business.

    You just can’t travel for no particular reason.


  • #5787
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Not a chance.

    The way she is talking, id put a lot of money on it


  • #5788
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I see a film has been made about the current pandemic called Songbird, I see it has just been released on Prime, I'm hoping maybe Netflix will get this too, maybe I'll watch.


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  • #5789
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    I'm working in an office building.


    I think you should take a few weeks off. Ring your doctor explain the situation and tell him you are totally stressed out.
    It will give you a chance to recharge your batterys without having the daily worry.


  • #5790
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I meant open their borders normally. Yeah life there is more normal but only because they are pretty much keeping the world out. Thats fine short term but not sustainable in the long term. They have almost zero immunity among the population, thats the difference between them and most of the rest of the world. Will the vaccine be mandatory there? The vaccine isn't a magic bullet. Norway for example are now saying that very old and frail people shouldn't get it after there have been 23 deaths in that group so far. If this becomes a widespread recommendation then that still leaves care homes vulnerable to outbreaks if the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

    Zero immunity makes very little difference.

    Ireland has had 160,000 cases, let’s be generous and say they really have had 3x that thats 10% of the population. That means 90% don’t have immunity.

    Ireland relies on vaccines just as much as Australia, if it fix Ireland’s problem it will fix Australia’s problem. Same time scale.


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  • #5791
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    The “travel bans” is a moot point, if you have family overseas you can apply for an exemption if for their or your wellbeing it would be necessary to visit it will be granted.

    Same for essential business.

    You just can’t travel for no particular reason.

    Yes, I was aware people can still travel (edit: given a good reason + I presume capacity in the quarantine system being available to take them) - sorry for the somewhat loose language (use of the word "ban").

    I'm sure it is still not easy for those who have always lived with almost complete freedom to travel, mostly when and where they wish once they have the money. Obviously far better than the alternative (what Europe or the US is going through!).


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