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    #7202
    roosky
    Registered Users Posts: 996 ✭✭✭roosky


    Have a friend buying 10 inlamb hoggets all scanned with twins.....the hoggets would have been €175 last September so nice sheep but no show stoppers.....what are they worth now inlamb I was thinking €210 or €215 would be the max or what are peoples opinion


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    #7203
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    No wrangler 2 separate farms I was just saying he uses powdered minerals thru silage for cows is the a powdered míneral for sheep and could u mix it thru molasses?


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    #7204
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Lambman wrote: »
    No wrangler 2 separate farms I was just saying he uses powdered minerals thru silage for cows is the a powdered míneral for sheep and could u mix it thru molasses?

    Are you not using ration, If they got a proper ration for the last 6 weeks of pregnancy you'd have all angles covered, energy, protein, minerals and vitamins.
    All these queries about poor lambs is down to poor feeding pre lambing. Some farmers make their own misfortune


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    #7205
    Sami23
    Registered Users Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭Sami23


    wrangler wrote: »
    Are you not using ration, If they got a proper ration for the last 6 weeks of pregnancy you'd have all angles covered, energy, protein, minerals and vitamins.
    All these queries about poor lambs is down to poor feeding pre lambing. Some farmers make their own misfortune

    Just curious do you prefer ration over nuts wrangler


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    #7206
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Sami23 wrote: »
    Just curious do you prefer ration over nuts wrangler

    I use ration mostly with the ewes inside, I just like the look of it, no other reason.
    We have to use cobs through the snacker and small nuts to the lambs


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    #7207
    farawaygrass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    Wrangler, when feeding straw to your sheep, did you put any valve on it as a feed or use it just as a fibre source?


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    #7208
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    farawaygrass wrote: »
    Wrangler, when feeding straw to your sheep, did you put any valve on it as a feed or use it just as a fibre source?

    No value, I feed .5kg to replace the silage and then build on that when they're six weeks out, they're actually supposed to be getting enough fibre if the meal is 7% fibre so I just bed them same as normal, I'm actually using less straw now than when I was feeding silage a week ago, but I give them some fresh straw every day 80 ewes are using a round bale every three days


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    #7209
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Alot to be said meal at times. 2 bags of meal will feed 100 ewes a day, cost about €15. Not much between that and the cost of bought in silage.


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    #7210
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Agree Teagasc have done a study on this. I’m feeding only meal until ewes are housed this year.


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    #7211
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    roosky wrote: »
    Have a friend buying 10 inlamb hoggets all scanned with twins.....the hoggets would have been €175 last September so nice sheep but no show stoppers.....what are they worth now inlamb I was thinking €210 or €215 would be the max or what are peoples opinion


    I think this is a bargain in today’s market. Could bring the €210/€215 back on the lambs alone, if the doubles survive.


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    #7212
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Have 40 hoggets (replacement ewe lambs, not in lamb) 6 have gone lame in past week. No footrot or any sign of swelling or hot joints. Any idea if cause


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    #7213
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Agree Teagasc have done a study on this. I’m feeding only meal until ewes are housed this year.

    That'll be interesting, are they on grass as well


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    #7214
    roosky
    Registered Users Posts: 996 ✭✭✭roosky


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    I think this is a bargain in today’s market. Could bring the €210/€215 back on the lambs alone, if the doubles survive.

    Ya maybe so...not a great year to be buying I suppose


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    #7215
    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    Have 40 hoggets (replacement ewe lambs, not in lamb) 6 have gone lame in past week. No footrot or any sign of swelling or hot joints. Any idea if cause

    maybe early CODD could break out on side or top of shell on hoof, a few ml betabox might help it break out and treat with spray and bluestone that what i do


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    #7216
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    maybe early CODD could break out on side or top of shell on hoof, a few ml betabox might help it break out and treat with spray and bluestone that what i do

    Thanks, will keep a check on them, but no sign of anything around hoof. Checked them all before footbathing today


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    #7217
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    Thanks, will keep a check on them, but no sign of anything around hoof. Checked them all before footbathing today

    what are you using in the footbath, it should solve it, the problem has to be between the hooves when you can see nothing further up, were they worse immediately after footbathing as they would be if there was a scald


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    #7218
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    wrangler wrote: »
    what are you using in the footbath, it should solve it, the problem has to be between the hooves when you can see nothing further up, were they worse immediately after footbathing as they would be if there was a scald

    Use bluestone. Put them into shed after footbathing. Didn't notice them any worse after footbathing . They are in a clean powerwashed pen. No bad smell . Will check tomorrow to see if they are worse


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    #7219
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    Use bluestone. Put them into shed after footbathing. Didn't notice them any worse after footbathing . They are in a clean powerwashed pen. No bad smell . Will check tomorrow to see if they are worse

    It's usually in the first few minutes of stepping out that they're worst with scald, but they're alright after a couple hours, we used to have to drive them on the road after footbathing and we'd be ashamed of them when we'd meet a car, they'd be crippled...... but alright the next day, but that's the way with scalds.
    It'll be interesting to see what's causing them to be lame


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    #7220
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    I will be feeding smyths prime ewe from 6 weeks out they aren't lambing till April... I'm happy with there condition so far and have no lameness as there running thru footbaths twice a week.


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    #7221
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    wrangler wrote: »
    It's usually in the first few minutes of stepping out that they're worst with scald, but they're alright after a couple hours, we used to have to drive them on the road after footbathing and we'd be ashamed of them when we'd meet a car, they'd be crippled...... but alright the next day, but that's the way with scalds.
    It'll be interesting to see what's causing them to be lame

    No change in lameness. They are not very lame, just a slight limp.Will see in a few days


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    #7222
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Lambman wrote: »
    I will be feeding smyths prime ewe from 6 weeks out they aren't lambing till April... I'm happy with there condition so far and have no lameness as there running thru footbaths twice a week.


    You shouldn't have to worry about minerals so, A mineral dose when the rams came out and then the minerals in 6 weeks ration should be plenty


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    #7223
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    Have 28 Belclare ewes lambing 15th March onwards and 42 hilltex lambs lambing 1st April onwards all in one field how much nuts/creep should I feed them ? Limited grass now and getting no silage. Already feeding 8/9kg lamb pellets a day.


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    #7224
    OneMan37
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭OneMan37


    wrangler wrote: »
    That'll be interesting, are they on grass as well

    Yes, in a 10 acre field but grass is scarce. They will get hay straw bed when inside.


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    #7225
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Have 28 Belclare ewes lambing 15th March onwards and 42 hilltex lambs lambing 1st April onwards all in one field how much nuts/creep should I feed them ? Limited grass now and getting no silage. Already feeding 8/9kg lamb pellets a day.

    I'm feeding .75 kg to adult ewes with doubles due 7th march, thats with only straw so you'd be alright with .4kg at the moment. mine will be built up to 1.3kg/day in three feeds by the first of march
    ewe lambs due 15 march are getting about the same, doubles in those are built up very slowly to as much as they can eat for the last fortnight,
    Between the fact that they are lleyns and the lambs are taking up a lot of room in their stomach, their appetites aren't huge, probably will only be eating .75kg /day in three feeds by then. It's not really enough but we start feeding them from scanning so that they're well built up before the lambs starts growing fast in them


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    #7226
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users Posts: 3,977 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    https://flic.kr/p/2kt3WwE

    Have never seen this on a ewe before. Is it orf?? Just came on her yesterday.

    Hope that link works


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    #7227
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Kevhog1988 wrote: »
    https://flic.kr/p/2kt3WwE

    Have never seen this on a ewe before. Is it orf?? Just came on her yesterday.

    Hope that link works

    It's not orf, It looks like she's not able to eat properly and slobbering
    Is she stupid or blind, if she was it could be listeria from silage


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    #7228
    arctictree
    Registered Users Posts: 4,293 ✭✭✭arctictree


    wrangler wrote: »
    I'm feeding .75 kg to adult ewes with doubles due 7th march, thats with only straw so you'd be alright with .4kg at the moment. mine will be built up to 1.3kg/day in three feeds by the first of march
    ewe lambs due 15 march are getting about the same, doubles in those are built up very slowly to as much as they can eat for the last fortnight,
    Between the fact that they are lleyns and the lambs are taking up a lot of room in their stomach, their appetites aren't huge, probably will only be eating .75kg /day in three feeds by then. It's not really enough but we start feeding them from scanning so that they're well built up before the lambs starts growing fast in them

    Are you feeding the singles anything?


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    #7229
    arctictree
    Registered Users Posts: 4,293 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Silly question but anyone know if ewes sold as 'in lamb hoggets' are 2020 born sheep?


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    #7230
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    arctictree wrote: »
    Are you feeding the singles anything?


    ewe lambs are getting the same as the doubles but won't be increasing.
    adult singles are on .5kg and will be up to .9kg with the straw by lambing, Triplets are getting .9kg now and will be over a kilo day by lambing. We find that they're not able to eat big amounts of meal near lambing


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    #7231
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users Posts: 3,977 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    wrangler wrote: »
    It's not orf, It looks like she's not able to eat properly and slobbering
    Is she stupid or blind, if she was it could be listeria from silage

    She's definitely not blind and no stupider than normal. I had thought it might be the ewe and lamb pellets congealed on her face if the trough was wet?.


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