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Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    You can pretend that's the case if you wish, but I don't recall a single Democrat leader denouncing mob violence.

    On May 31, he wrote in a statement on Medium that protesting police brutality is “right and necessary” and “an utterly American response."

    “But burning down communities and needless destruction is not,” Biden wrote. “Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

    Joe Biden


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭swampgas


    So tell me....what about it then?

    I am not ignoring but I am just not attributing as much weight to it. Of course the whole thing was loosely organised or encouraged.

    Come on now, in this day and age blasting your ilk on social media to organise a day out Washington is not exactly rocket science. This was not some genius at work. I specifically said at the start that with Whatsapp, Twitter and the like it is pretty easy to organise a mass demonstration.

    A large portion didnt know what to expect and travelled just to create some noise, some went full loco. Some wanted trouble and some did not. I still think the violence was opportunistic (yes some came 'prepared' but that was a very small minority) but that is where Trump comes into play and the rally beforehand whipping up the crowd. That is where Trump takes the blame.

    But again what did it achieve? As I have said several times, they went in trashed place, took some selfies and went home before the curfew. Nothing to show for it. When they got into the building they just wandered around grinning like morons.

    There were seriously sinister people hiding in that mob.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/video/capitol-rioters-included-trained-ex-060853194.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    On May 31, he wrote in a statement on Medium that protesting police brutality is “right and necessary” and “an utterly American response."

    “But burning down communities and needless destruction is not,” Biden wrote. “Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

    Joe Biden

    Nobody in power at the time said anything, it's different for Biden, he was in a unique position and being put under pressure on a hot topic because he's running for President.

    The truth is that mob violence was actually ignored and in some cases encouraged by Democrat Mayors refusing to arrest culprits and in many cases telling police to stand down.

    Do I think it had an influence on what happened in the capitol? Probably not, I wrote this on this forum back in November. What I do think is that people should be more honest and drop the holier than thou act.
    It's one thing Trump mounting a legal challenge to try and save face or make a few quid because he's never going to get enough corruption to over turn the states he lost, but it's another thing going around hosting rallies firing up half the Country telling angry supporters of his that the Presidential election was rigged. It is extremely reckless and dangerous behaviour on Trumps part, by the far the worst thing he could possibly do in his position.

    If there is violence to follow he will be 100% responsible for that, and the sickening thing is that he just doesn't seem to care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    But hold on. What happened was a disgrace and should never have been allowed to happen. I already said that the blame lies firmly at the feet of Trump and his enablers.

    The mob should not be held up on some pedestal in that they had some grand noble quest at heart. No they did not. They were/are a rabble of nutjobs encouraged by an utter disgrace of a human being.

    Just because I have downgraded the mob to common hooligans does not mean I am defending anyone- far from it. To suggest that they were attempting coup is giving far too much credit to their intelligence. By all means charge and prosecute them for treason. Please do.

    If you took the trouble to check my posts first you will see that I have already said this multiple times. Lads are putting 2 + 2 together and arriving at 350.

    You’re being an apologist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,462 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,322 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Kellyanne Conway is on Bill Maher tonight on HBO I see.

    Another one looking to clear her conscience no doubt. Bit late!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭feargale


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Trump got 46.8% of the vote. That's not far short of half of America voting for him. Are they all nuts?

    Hitler got 37% in July 1932 and 43% in 1933.

    Were they all nuts?

    Some were.
    Some were mentally wounded by Germany's military and economic collapse. Compare the people wounded by rusting industry in Detroit and elsewhere and by imagined threats to their pockets by Obamacare (a fear fuelled by cynical opportunists) and the like, and nutters who believe that Satan is on the march.
    Others were not. Compare the German industrialists, junkers etc who didn't want to pick up the tab for Germany's woes, to the American billionaires who want to put a brake on enviromental action and social reform. They were not nuts. In each case the masters of exploitation thought they could control the Frankenstein they unleashed. Having control of much of the media, they were able to lead the sheep to the slaughter.
    Nothing new in USA. In the 1930s similar interests worked hand in glove with the local military and elites to stage coups d'etat in various Latin American countries in the wake of world recession. There was something in that for everybody. The miltary got political power. The filthy-rish conquistadoes got to keep their ill-gotten gains. American corporations got a free hand to economically exploit those countries.
    This was repeated later, in Guatemala 1954 and Brazil 1964. The Spanish Conquistadores' practice was to first send in the missionaries to soften the populace spiritually and psychologically, followed by the military. For Brazil 1964 the USA first sent in that egotistical idiot Patrick Peyton to tell the folks that God didn't like "communism" i.e. social justice. Of course, the American right are less prone to use Catholic propagandists these days. After all, they might stray into the sermon on the mount ('blessed are the poor.") The fundamentalst tv evangelists are much more effective ("greed is good.")
    It shouldn't surprise anyone that oil corporations and the like would pay millions to get a minority of scientists to lie about the environment. Philip Morris and others did similarly in the 1950s regarding the link between tobacco and cancer,
    Oh, and remember that in the 1920s Germany had the most educated population in the world. Compare and contrast with Mississippi (compulsory elementary education introduced 1918, education of African Americans illegal until the 1890s.)
    And don't think that the Chinese invented brainwashing. They didn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    magma69 wrote: »
    This will be ignored.

    As I said for the second time now, nobody in power holding office condemned the violence, and those are the people that matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    because to believe that it was nothing more than a loose mob is to deny what Trump had been fomenting for the previous two months.

    This was just something that sort of grew organically and ended up as a storming, that was the entire point of the rally. They were going to march on the Capital. Trump has not come out and said he never wanted that to happen, only that he wished the violence hadn't happened.

    If his call to the Georgia Governor had worked, on other states as well, then he wouldn't have needed the rally or the march, he would have overturned the election results. But as more and more avenues were closed off, he was forced to call his 'army' to try to force GOP congress members to overturn the democratic result.

    That they failed is, well its not an excuse but it is perfectly in line with everything else Trump does.

    Is it only an insurrection if it is successful? How many people do you think creates an iinsurrection? What would the outcome have been had they managed to get to Pence or other members?


    But I am not doing that at all. Downgrading them as loose mob does not mean I am trying to deflect from Trump. I know full well what he has been doing and it is 100% down to Trump undermining the election for the past 2 months. I have said this repeatedly.

    They didnt get a hold of Pence or Pelosi. They made no attempt to do so. When they were in the building they were clueless. They wandered around and then literally walked back out the door. End of.

    Looks like for all their planning they didnt have too much to their plan afterall. So much for the grand coup.

    They were there to cause a disruption and make some noise but by all means charge them with everything. Please do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Nobody in power at the time said anything, it's different for Biden, he was in a unique position and being put under pressure on a hot topic because he's running for President.

    The truth is that mob violence was actually ignored and in some cases encouraged by Democrat Mayors refusing to arrest culprits and in many cases telling police to stand down.

    Do I think it had an influence on what happened in the capitol? Probably not, I wrote this on this forum back in November. What I do think is that people should be more honest and drop the holier than thou act.

    I’m sorry but this is absolute nonsense.

    A quick google search will guide you to the truth.
    Not that you want to find the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    As I said for the second time now, nobody in power holding office condemned the violence, and those are the people that matter.

    Who are you referencing?
    Specific names.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Overheal wrote: »
    You’re being an apologist.


    For whom?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    feargale wrote: »
    Hitler got 37% in July 1932 and 43% in 1933.

    Were they all nuts?

    Some were.
    Some were mentally wounded by Germany's military and economic collapse. Compare the people wounded by rusting industry in Detroit and elsewhere and by imagined threats to their pockets by Obamacare (a fear fuelled by cynical opportunists) and the like, and nutters who believe that Satan is on the march.
    Others were not. Compare the German industrialists, junkers etc who didn't want to pick up the tab for Germany's woes, to the American billionaires who want to put a brake on enviromental action and social reform. They were not nuts. In each case the masters of exploitation thought they could control the Frankenstein they unleashed. Having control of much of the media, they were able to lead the sheep to the slaughter.
    Nothing new in USA. In the 1930s similar interests worked hand in glove with the local military and elites to stage coups d'etat in various Latin American countries in the wake of world recession. There was something in that for everybody. The miltary got political power. The filthy-rish conquistadoes got to keep their ill-gotten gains. American corporations got a free hand to economically exploit those countries.
    This was repeated later, in Guatemala 1954 and Brazil 1964. The Spanish Conquistadores' practice was to first send in the missionaries to soften the populace spiritually and psychologically, followed by the military. For Brazil 1964 the USA first sent in that egotistical idiot Patrick Peyton to tell the folks that God didn't like "communism" i.e. social justice. Of course, the American right are less prone to use Catholic propagandists these days. After all, they might stray into the sermon on the mount ('blessed are the poor.") The fundamentalst tv evangelists are much more effective ("greed is good.")
    It shouldn't surprise anyone that oil corporations and the like would pay millions to get a minority of scientists to lie about the environment. Philip Morris and others did similarly in the 1950s regarding the link between tobacco and cancer,
    Oh, and remember that in the 1920s Germany had the most educated population in the world. Compare and contrast with Mississippi (compulsory elementary education introduced 1918, education of African Americans illegal until the 1890s.)
    And don't think that the Chinese invented brainwashing. They didn't.




    Congrats...you have hit Godwin's Law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    As I said for the second time now, nobody in power holding office condemned the violence, and those are the people that matter.

    You'll just perpetually move the goalposts to justify your delusions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Are you having a mental breakdown? This really is tinfoil hat nonsense

    It's not tin foil hat nonsense when we know that was literally the aim of a coordinated group who stormed the Capitol under the cover of MAGAts.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    everlast75 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1350106793855205378?s=19

    Appropriate that he is leaving at a time when he is recognised as the abomination he is..

    And yet over on Rasmussen , he's still sitting at ~50% , barely a flutter in his numbers since the Election.

    You'd have to wonder about who is actually on their polling panel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Trump will leave the White House Wednesday morning and leave DC.


    I hope they have everything nailed down that they don't want him to take.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump will leave the White House Wednesday morning and leave DC.


    I hope they have everything nailed down that they don't want him to take.

    Lock down the good silverware


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Trump will leave the White House Wednesday morning and leave DC.


    I hope they have everything nailed down that they don't want him to take.

    The looting has already started, no shooting though.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/1349810898454638592


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭feargale


    Congrats...you have hit Godwin's Law.

    Congratulation to you. You have ensured that this thread doesn't escape the godwin cliché. Who the f**k is Godwin? Has he had a more profound effect on the planet than Hitler? Reading boards.ie in the past one might have thought so.

    Sweet Jesus. I thought we had finally hunted that stupid cliché out of boards.ie. But I had clearly underestimated the power of lazy thinking.
    Think about what you have said. Hitler must never be mentioned. We cannot talk about pre-war German elections, or compare them to any other election. Are we allowed to talk about the Weimar Republic at all, or is that ot of bounds too?
    Have you ever heard of censorship?
    After WWII Germany went into a state of amnesia over Hitler, as a number of his henchmen became mayors of various cities. I suspect that you will find the origins of godwin's "law" therein. Incidentally, just to educare you, godwin didn't say it was a sin to mention Hitler or Naziism. In effect he simply observed, by way of a quasi-statistic that Hitler gets frequent mention. Surprise! Surprise!


    HITLER, HITLER, HITLER

    Go on, stone me. And bring along the mob with you.

    P.S. You seem to have missed this bit:
    feargale wrote: »
    And don't think that the Chinese invented brainwashing. They didn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Half expected him to announce a trip to Russia


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    feargale wrote: »
    Congratulation to you. You have ensured that this thread doesn't escape the godwin cliché. Who the f**k is Godwin? Has he had a more profound effect on the planet than Hitler? Reading boards.ie in the past one might have thought so.

    And don't think that the Chinese invented brainwashing. They didn't.

    Sweet Jesus. I thought we had finally hunted that stupid cliché out of boards.ie. But I had clearly underestimated the power of lazy thinking.
    Think about what you have said. Hitler must never be mentioned. We cannot talk about pre-war German elections, or compare them to any other election. Are we allowed to talk about the Weimar Republic at all, or is that ot of bounds too?
    Have you ever heard of censorship?
    After WWII Germany went into a state of amnesia over Hitler, as a number of his henchmen became mayors of various cities. I suspect that you will find the origins of godwin's "law" therein. Incidentally, just to educare you, godwin didn't say it was a sin to mention Hitler or Naziism. In effect he simply observed, by way of a quasi-statistic that Hitler gets frequent mention. Surprise! Surprise!


    HITLER, HITLER, HITLER

    Go on, stone me. And bring along the mob with you.


    Are you ok?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Are you ok?

    Are you?

    You seem to be divesting a lot of energy being an apologist for an insurrection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Hitler would be the extreme end of fascism, I wouldn't put Donny in that league just yet. But I'd happily classify Donald Trump as a fascist, he has all the hallmarks of it. Only difference between him and 20th century European fascists is his success record. Not that he hasn't tried to turn democracy into dictatorship as we've all seen. And he has the "truth comes from The Leader, not from objective reality" thing down to a tee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Overheal wrote: »
    Are you?

    You seem to be divesting a lot of energy being an apologist for an insurrection


    Ok clearly you do not what an apologist is?

    Go on. Show me where I have been an apologist for an 'insurrection'. This should be good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭feargale


    Are you ok?

    I will be when you overcome your inane stupidity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    feargale wrote: »
    I will be when you overcome your inane stupidity.




    Now now. Temper temper.

    Keep it civil. This is not the school yard. If you can't muster a coherent response beyond calling someone 'stupid' then don't bother.


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