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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #5522
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    I see the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has come out against the imposition of fines for restriction breaches, advocating instead for a "clear messaging approach". How can they take themselves seriously? We've had clear messaging for 12 months and there are still people travelling 80km for a burger. :pac:


  • #5523
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Leo almost never admits responsibility for mistakes. Great to point at others.

    He talks out both sides of his mouth, weighs up whatever current popular opinion is and goes with whichever way the wind is blowing.


  • #5524
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    Sure, there's just a shiitload of rumours flying around as is.



    It's easier to enforce, yes, but this bit is nonsense.

    A 6pm curfew would have a massive effect, and I'd question if it's overly positive. When does everyone working go get their groceries? All at the same time? I don't think I've even been in a supermarket before 6pm since this started because I want to wait til there's less people there, which is an actual risk mitigation choice.
    Out for a walk/exercise?? All in a small window?? It's performative, let's be honest, beyond the ease of enforcement




    10 months into the pandemic and you aren't aware of any ways that you could plan to have enough groceries to do you for a week of curfew without having to physically go to a shop?


    Being inconvenient does not make something essential.


  • #5525
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar saying in hindsight they probably wouldn't have followed NPHET's advice to go to level 3. He's some neck.

    What was the context of him saying that ? Does he mean level 3 back in Sept or dropping down to level 3 from 5ish before Christmas ?


  • #5526
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Leo has set up a confrontation with NPHET after that interview.

    I hope Honohan out manoeuvres him but I fear many people will be glad to let NEPHET take the blame to absolve the public of any responsibility. That’s what Ireland does, it fixes its problems by finding a fallguy and refusing to address the major reason something went wrong.


    Leo has undermined NEPHET more then once since losing power. He’s acting like an opposition party.


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  • #5527
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Leo has set up a confrontation with NPHET after that interview.

    It's not for the first time. There's been constant undermining. Not sure what end goal is. I think NPHET have been far from perfect and whatever about disagreeing in meetings, think they need to have a coordinated approach in public at least. This constant sniping is counterproductive and petty from him.


  • #5528
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Russman wrote: »
    What was the context of him saying that ? Does he mean level 3 back in Sept or dropping down to level 3 from 5ish before Christmas ?

    The latter I'm sure.

    To be dishonestly undermining the credibility of the public health experts during a public health crisis is incredibly dangerous and stupid.

    He doesn't give a solitary **** about anything but his career


  • #5529
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Russman wrote: »
    What was the context of him saying that ? Does he mean level 3 back in Sept or dropping down to level 3 from 5ish before Christmas ?

    The full interview will probably be posted on rte radio 1, news at 1 page shortly. Was just before I posted so you'll be able to get exact comments back but was in context of when businesses will be able to open again and yes in relation to dropping to 3 for Christmas.


  • #5530
    [Deleted User]
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    Antares35 wrote: »
    I see the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has come out against the imposition of fines for restriction breaches, advocating instead for a "clear messaging approach". How can they take themselves seriously? We've had clear messaging for 12 months and there are still people travelling 80km for a burger. :pac:

    In a healthy democracy these groups are needed. Its not that ridiculous to question fining people for going more than a certain distance from their homes.


  • #5531
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This idea of curfews needs to be nipped in the bud. It will have no effect on cases and will end up causing more harm than good. I'm convinced some people won't be happy till we're locked up in our houses 24/7.
    Yes things are bad, yes the virus is serious, but stopping me going for a walk or to get groceries at 8 or 9 in the evening will not reduce my risk of getting covid. If anything it will increase it as the footpaths and shops will be busier because you'll have more people using them for a shorter period of time.


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  • #5532
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Was probably posted already but good to see that NPHET think case numbers have peaked. Hopefully drop in hospitalisations and deaths asap but likely a lag.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0115/1189868-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #5533
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    Anyone have a link to the Leo interview?


  • #5534
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    prunudo wrote: »
    This idea of curfews needs to be nipped in the bud. It will have no effect on cases and will end up causing more harm than good. I'm convinced some people won't be happy till we're locked up in our houses 24/7.
    Yes things are bad, yes the virus is serious, but stopping me going for a walk or to get groceries at 8 or 9 in the evening will not reduce my risk of getting covid. If anything it will increase it as the footpaths and shops will be busier because you'll have more people using them for a shorter period of time.

    It's a stupid notion that would have essentially no impact on transmission.

    Basically if you've got a job you're not allowed do any exercise Monday-Friday. What you'll have is people doing 1 day's worth of shopping 7 days a week just so they can get a walk to the shop in, giving you busier supermarkets (a far more dangerous environment for transmission).


  • #5535
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    prunudo wrote: »
    This idea of curfews needs to be nipped in the bud. It will have no effect on cases and will end up causing more harm than good. I'm convinced some people won't be happy till we're locked up in our houses 24/7.
    Yes things are bad, yes the virus is serious, but stopping me going for a walk or to get groceries at 8 or 9 in the evening will not reduce my risk of getting covid. If anything it will increase it as the footpaths and shops will be busier because you'll have more people using them for a shorter period of time.

    I think you'll have to take it up with France. There's no one advocating for a curfew here, and not even any kite flying from the gov.


  • #5536
    DrSpongeBobz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭DrSpongeBobz


    I can see a curfew being the only real option in a very large city tbh.


  • #5537
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭prunudo


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I think you'll have to take it up with France. There's no one advocating for a curfew here, and not even any kite flying from the gov.

    I really hope so, plenty of posters mentioning it lately. Doesn't take long for an idea to take hold on social media and then some ministers starts floating ot around cabinet that its what the people want


  • #5538
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    AdamD wrote: »
    In a healthy democracy these groups are needed. Its not that ridiculous to question fining people for going more than a certain distance from their homes.

    But they aren't "questioning" it. They are stating that it should not happen.


  • #5539
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    I can see a curfew being the only real option in a very large city tbh.
    We are doing what we did back in March, a modified version, and it works for us.


  • #5540
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    10 months into the pandemic and you aren't aware of any ways that you could plan to have enough groceries to do you for a week of curfew without having to physically go to a shop?


    Being inconvenient does not make something essential.


    I already do that ffs, lol.

    And actually no, delivery services are really not sufficient here (overwhelmed, often low on stock). I don't own a car either, nor could I get one if I wanted in the morning. So as it is, it's how much I can carry once a week. We're not all in the same situation.


  • #5541
    SuperRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Let the covid deniers flip out about curfews so that when there are no curfews they'll feel like they've won and maybe be quiet for a while?


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  • #5542
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭prunudo


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    Let the covid deniers flip out about curfews so that when there are no curfews they'll feel like they've won and maybe be quiet for a while?

    So only covid deniers are against curfews, okay.


  • #5543
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    So only covid deniers are against curfews, okay.
    It really is a term of derision that should be consigned to the bin - such a lazy epithet.


  • #5544
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    What's the theory behind curfews? How do they reduce spread? I've heard them being introduced elsewhere, but don't really get it. It reduces the open window to shop/exercise/etc.. Is it an extra layer to try to stop gatherings/parties?


  • #5545
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    DrSpongeBobz wrote: »
    Anyone have a link to the Leo interview?

    From 08:25 in the ''Remote working could become a permanent option post-pandemic'' clip or 32:35 from whole programme.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio1/news-at-one/


  • #5546
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    I'd imagine curfews are useful in densely populated cities.

    That doesn't really apply in Ireland hence the reluctance to implement them here.


  • #5547
    trashcan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭trashcan


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It really is a term of derision that should be consigned to the bin - such a lazy epithet.

    Ditto for “lockdown brigade” , which was a favoured term in these threads for a while.


  • #5548
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    What's the theory behind curfews? How do they reduce spread? I've heard them being introduced elsewhere, but don't really get it. It reduces the open window to shop/exercise/etc.. Is it an extra layer to try to stop gatherings/parties?

    Not sure about specific public health rationale but if it's tied to the idea that aim is to reduce people moving around unnecessarily maybe thinking is having a threat of fine would reduce people who didn't need to be out and make it easier for police to enforce.

    That said as you say you'd think exercise is essential so does seem fairly heavy-handed approach if people can't for 12 hours of they day and if anything could increase how many people are out.


  • #5549
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Positive swabs look to be levelling out a bit. I was hoping the steep fall off would keep going.

    https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1350085584845418497?s=21


  • #5550
    riffmongous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Some interesting data from Austria, they had a large almost runaway outbreak towards the end of the year, resulting in 10% higher number of deaths than the previous 5 years and the highest number of deaths since 1983.
    And you can clearly see from the graph it's purely down to the covid outbreaks.

    812669_body_283356_cov_sterblichkeit_a.png?2225d056

    https://orf.at/stories/3197300/


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  • #5551
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    I already do that ffs, lol.

    And actually no, delivery services are really not sufficient here (overwhelmed, often low on stock). I don't own a car either, nor could I get one if I wanted in the morning. So as it is, it's how much I can carry once a week. We're not all in the same situation.

    It's not an ad or anything but might be handy for you and anyone else who might need it. Deliveroo have free delivery from Aldi at the moment until middle of February in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick if you live within 5k of the shops doing it. Minimum spend of 25e and max 75e.

    Know lot of supermarkets can be tricky to get a delivery slot at the moment so might be a useful option for anyone that needs it.

    https://www.aldi.ie/deliveroo

    List of shops here: https://www.aldi.ie/deliveroo-stores


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