Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

stoneill wrote: »

This sums up Trump.
Rudy is no use now, time to stiff him.
Same as he stiffed all those contractors and anyone else that did some work for him.
Only out for himself and no-one else matters.

It’s fundamentally stupid though. As soon as he leaves office he’s under indictment. It’s a guarantee at this point. E Jean Carrol is coming for his DNA sample too.

He just signaled to every attorney in the country that he will stiff their payment, too. So the likelihood of one of these big firms who didn’t sign on to fight his election conspiracies for him will certainly not be back to fight for him in a criminal court proceeding. And he doesn’t have the money to pay up front. He’s snookering himself. He will only get folks like Alan Dershowitz who do it for their own infamy.

gutenberg wrote: »

Apologies if this has been posted already: Trump & Guiliani have fallen out in the past week, the Guardian (via Washington Post) reports:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

The report says the falling out has increased the president’s sense of isolation and abandonment since the events of 6 January. And of course, it also calls into question whether Giuliani will receive a pardon.

Rudy has come out of the all this as as bad, if not worse than Trump...

walshb wrote: »

Rudy has come out of the all this as as bad, if not worse than Trump...

That hair dye must be covering him head to toe at this stage.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

IMO, in four minutes Tom McClintock (Ca) sums up the sorry state of affairs in the US at the moment and what is to come. The only honesty since the 6th. The very people who contradict such an obvious statement act in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1349462585226231811

What did you think was the core message and was it all truth?

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1349730838045290500?s=19

Tell me how wrote: »

Absolute nonsense.

He must have stopped listening to Trumps speech after the first few minutes.
So much for the Republicans being the party of 'Law and Order' with a supposed love for the constitution and the flag.

They want to let someone off with inciting a mob to interrupt Congress from carrying out their constitutional duties while some of this mob removed the American Flag from the Capitol and replaced it with the Flag of the insurrectionist.

And the icing on the cake of hypocrisy, many of these people who spent the last year bleating about Blue Lives Matter, attacked several police officers at the Capitol resulting in the death of one of them.

I laughed with this clown gave the speech in the first place, I laughed again now watching it.
And as for you, saying it is the only honesty since the 6th? Are you for real?

Leaving aside the accusation of incitement where his supporters will always remind everyone that Trump did use the word, 'peacefully', Trump did tell a mob of supporters to go down, gather at Capitol hill as a way to encourage those inside to overturn an election that he insists was rigged, even though no credible evidence of this has been found. That, by itself, is seismic. He wanted to subvert a democratic election.

And before anyone chimes in with, "Yes, but the Democrats and Trump and Russia!"...


No.

A) Hillary Clinton conceded the day following election night. I'm sure she was sick, but she did concede. How long did it take Trump, again?

She didn't lead an angry mob of her supporters down to the Capitol building, hoping this could get those inside to overturn the result.

C) The Russia investigation produced a lot of evidence of Russian interference and the arrests of several people who worked for Trump. What's the 'stolen election' legal battle produced besides utter humiliation for Trump's legal teams?

So, the two are in no way comparable. Trump's behaviour has been absolutely and especially disgraceful these last 2 and a bit months, and those defending it don't really have a leg to stand on.

Amirani wrote: »

His legacy was always a bit undeserved according those who knew him well, but that wasn't the case for the general populace.

I'm not sure I've seen someone destroy what seemed like such a good legacy so quickly and so pointlessly. Absolute moron.

If you asked me half a year ago what I knew about the man, I'd have said he was well regarded as having been a good mayor of New York when 9/11 happened. Now he's made himself one of the foremost Trump apologists.

Such a waste of a legacy.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I mean other than the fact that he may be potentially slightly off his rocker; one would have to ask the question "why?"... why would he do this for Trump, who historically I didn't even think he liked or respected.

John Oliver did a bit on him in 2018:



Been a while since I watched it but I remember it being... enlightening. Surely, all he had to do was to retire and just collect his pension and speaker's fees and his legacy would be secure.

namloc1980 wrote: »

The reports are that Trump has been told by his advisors that he can't pardon himself because it would open him to massive civil cases. As Trump only thinks of himself his attitude will likely be: if there's no pardon for me, then there's no pardon for anyone else.

Id be shocked if there is no pardons for Kushner and Trumps two sons, he often sends them to do dirty work. iirc Eric was deposed in New York back in October as part of a fraud investigation so there might be charges forthcoming.

Otherwise I was wondering will we be seeing the return of this next Wednesday?



Wiki says it was used for private hire but has been in storage since 2019 unused and that one of the Rolls Royce engines was removed but theres no recent updates if it is back on the plane. He was also trying to sell one of his helicopters last October.

They voted to impeach Trump now they are scared his cult followers may try to kill them.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1349747027438153734?s=20

Any attempts to prosecute Trump at federal level is an unwelcome distraction for Biden. He will just want to move forward and just consign Trump to the past. At the end of the day, Trump was not some evil military dictator. He was elected in 2016 and received 70m+ votes this time.

Biden (or anyone really) really does not want several years of Trump show trials dominating the narrative.

Let the States chip away at him and the banks call in the loans- death by a thousand cuts.

partyguinness wrote: »

Any attempts to prosecute Trump at federal level is an unwelcome distraction for Biden. He will just want to move forward and just consign Trump to the past. At the end of the day, Trump was not some evil military dictator. He was elected in 2016 and received 70m+ votes this time.

Biden (or anyone really) really does not want several years of Trump show trials dominating the narrative.

Let the States chip away at him and the banks call in the loans- death by a thousand cuts.

I think you overestimate how much Biden is going to give a **** about the news headlines and chyrons when he is in the office.

He doesn't watch Fox and Friends and he doesn't read Breitbart. He reads his intelligence briefings and the laws he's expected to sign. From James Clapper: "From my experience with then-Vice President Biden, he was an avid reader and in general a voracious consumer of intelligence. I'm sure he will be especially so as President."

He's not interested in any involvement whatsoever with the DOJ and its all but guaranteed prosecution of Trump. He will be hands off. As the POTUS is supposed to be. The AG is meant to act autonomously and independently from the White House, despite Trump generating illusions to the contrary.

partyguinness wrote: »

I am not doubting Biden's ability in the slightest and I am not even thinking about Fox et al or the right wing media. Trump still received 70m+ votes and they are not all right wing loonies.

It was like with Ford and Nixon: "Pardon. Draw a line under it and move on." People didn't like it but in the grand scheme of things agreed that was probably for the best.

I would not be remotely surprised if the Feds take the same view- is it really in the public interest? The notion that Biden might pardon him does not bear thinking about so any federal prosecutions will be quietly shelved.

Ultimately any prosecutions are not Biden's call.

Assuming of course that Biden completely rolls-back the Trumpisms of the last 4 years. One of the major problems with a Trump-type President, is that once they get away with completely ignoring and destroying the status-quo or traditional understanding of the office of the Presidency, it's hard to put that back in the bottle.

That's always been my issue with the likes of Barr and his views on the almost unlimited powers of the Executive; once you start down that road it's hard to ask the next guy to give it back - but I think if anyone is going to it's Biden.

partyguinness wrote: »

I am not doubting Biden's ability in the slightest and I am not even thinking about Fox et al or the right wing media. Trump still received 70m+ votes and they are not all right wing loonies.

It was like with Ford and Nixon: "Pardon. Draw a line under it and move on." People didn't like it but in the grand scheme of things agreed that was probably for the best.

I would not be remotely surprised if the Feds take the same view- is it really in the public interest? The notion that Biden might pardon him does not bear thinking about so any federal prosecutions will be quietly shelved.

Ultimately any prosecutions are not Biden's call.

Nope, they aren't. It will be Merrick Garland's.

I don't think the plurality of 74 million voters of his still believe that the election was rigged, and fewer still are going to ascribe themselves to the man after the attack on the Capitol.

The FBI doesn't decide to prosecute or not prosecute an apparent crime based on whether the public will be upset about it. The agency itself is to function apolitically.

As Slippers said though, the GWB and Trump admins established a multitude of unitary-executive stances for the POTUS to take. All stances which can be enjoyed by any future President.