Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Ficheall wrote: »

Was this in reaction to the poor rte reporting too?

I can't recall what that was in relation to, i post in multiple forums. Anymore of my past posts you like to ask me a question about? However do it through PM as its off topic and a little sad.

Akabusi wrote: »

I can't recall what that was in relation to, i post in multiple forums. Anymore of my past posts you like to ask me a question about? However do it through PM as its off topic and a little sad.

Like you are PMing 10000maniacs presumably?
I'm sorry your previous posts make you sad, but I can see why.

majcos wrote: »

Very few of those brought to ICU would be from nursing homes. If at the stage of needing nursing home care, a person is unlikely to survive an ICU admission, especially an ICU admission due to Covid as this is a longer than average ICU stay.

Yeah I think a clinical decision would be made not to in that case sadly. Heard ICU consultant recently saying a person has to be very fit to have chance of surviving ICU.

Was interested to see that a person aged over 100 had been treated in ICU. They must have been thought to have a very good chance of survival:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1349050234152898561

Akabusi wrote: »

Yes, but context only when it suits you.

I didn't slag any one off, I was questioning them for the preaching they were doing and asking what good would it do.

"Smugness" ring any bells?

Stop digging.

#Ignore.

CruelSummer wrote: »

For all the self righteous on here who feel posts like this are warranted...
Firstly anyone can contract Covid. From a filling station, shop, supermarket, anywhere. Even those who are behaving like the new Catholic Church trying to shun and shame those not in their cult of isolation can contract it.
Secondly, You’re discouraging people coming forward for testing, I think this was widespread before we reopened in Dec thanks to the stigma and shame associated which we are so good at - see Mother and Baby homes for historical reference.
Thirdly this is what Paul Reid said in relation to such issues/ comments:

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1349468329531072512?s=21

Think you’re overreacting tbh.

No one has said those who catch covid are at fault. Far from it. It’s when people spend months calling others bedwetters, doommongers, etc, think NPHET are only there to depress us or control us as a nation or downplay the seriousness of the pandemic, when in reality it’s quite ****ing serious.

People are giving out about those breaking restrictions and catching covid who then go on to spread it further. The kind of idiots that push and push thinking they’re invincible and then when the numbers very predictably spike, blame the government for poor handling.

There was poor handling and there were people taking the piss. But this idea that people can be incredibly insensitive, condescending, and very confidently incorrect to turn around and say “let’s move on”. Nah. **** that.

CruelSummer wrote: »

I disagree. I’ve seen it out ‘in real life’ also. It’s definitely a thing. ‘How did they catch it/ what were they doing? / what rules did they break when I’m breaking none, except when I make an exception to the rule for myself that is’.
The biggest issue with this is people wont come forward for testing. I think this is far more widespread than people realise.

But the poster in question didn't catch covid..?

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

"Smugness" ring any bells?

Stop digging.

#Ignore.

Okay if questioning if a poster is maybe being a big smug in their posting is slagging then I'm terribly sorry.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Think you’re overreacting tbh.

No one has said those who catch covid are at fault. Far from it. It’s when people spend months calling others bedwetters, doommongers, etc, think NPHET are only there to depress us or control us as a nation or downplay the seriousness of the pandemic, when in reality it’s quite ****ing serious.

People are giving out about those breaking restrictions and catching covid who then go on to spread it further. The kind of idiots that push and push thinking they’re invincible and then when the numbers very predictably spike, blame the government for poor handling.

There was poor handling and there were people taking the piss. But this idea that people can be incredibly insensitive, condescending, and very confidently incorrect to turn around and say “let’s move on”. Nah. **** that.

There are many people who didn’t agree with restrictions that still followed them.
I think the tone of certain posts on here were most certainly about attempting to shun/shame those who dared see family for Christmas.
I agree there’s a group of people out there who took and continue to take the pi** with it all. They ran riot over Christmas & then swiftly turned around to blame Government for their own choices.
I watched the NPHET press conference Monday - it was very poor. Information giving is lecturing about staying in your home on repeat x100. Almost like ‘You’ve all been bold girls and boys so this is all you’ll get from us for the next 60 minutes’.
Screens behind the NPHET members aren’t available for the viewers to view even though they’re being used to discuss data. Many questions are sidestepped with the stay at home mantra. DeGascun hadn’t been at a press conference for awhile and thought his information on new variants was very minimal. Meanwhile Holohan is phoning Mike Ryan stating with absolute confidence the outbreak here isn’t being caused by any variants and just purely socialising. I don’t think this lecturing approach works and gets people’s backs up.
I fully understand the situation is serious at the moment. I think the vast majority of people are doing everything they can, it’s not easy. But we really should try and leave pre judgement and shame out of it. It works against what we’re trying to achieve.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I think you are right on this. Covid shame and if they test positive they may end up at the back of the vaccination queue.

Why on earth would you be in the vaccination queue, if you already had covid-19?

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And what has that to do with the discourse you quoted part of?

Nothing, that's what.

You're probably right in that some people will lay blame but that's not what was being discussed. You've just laid blame yourself at the wrong door.

I confess I haven’t been online today and just popped in tonight for a quick read. Apologies if I’ve misread what you were implying as I haven’t read back very far of previous posts.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

People have had Covid but later tests showed no antibodies in their system

So, that doesn't mean that they are not immune.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Think you’re overreacting tbh.

No one has said those who catch covid are at fault. Far from it. It’s when people spend months calling others bedwetters, doommongers, etc, think NPHET are only there to depress us or control us as a nation or downplay the seriousness of the pandemic, when in reality it’s quite ****ing serious.

People are giving out about those breaking restrictions and catching covid who then go on to spread it further. The kind of idiots that push and push thinking they’re invincible and then when the numbers very predictably spike, blame the government for poor handling.

There was poor handling and there were people taking the piss. But this idea that people can be incredibly insensitive, condescending, and very confidently incorrect to turn around and say “let’s move on”. Nah. **** that.

This is a great post, obviously it's bad and sad a lot of peple are getting COVID, so it's difficult to talk about without it sounding as if I'm glad somebody caught COVID as 'punishmnet'. Like who's to know the person in question had any hand in increasing their risk of catching above what is an 'acceptable' risk and who governs that risk. The actual risk and what government tells us are acceptable risks change daily and depend on our circumstances. I'm sure most know themselves that whatever line existed was stepped over during the hols but it wasn't made very clear what that limit should be, that's where the planning issue was, but there's always an element of personal responsibility in this a government cannot always account for or predict. Either way, I think the posters were right that nobody should be blamed for getting COVID.

But as you said, it's the attitude and utter rudness of some posters in recent months that is very grating and hard to get around. And that is what deserves to be pointed out and ridiculed. It's good to know and see that those people have realised themselves the seriousness of the situation and also good that the people who supported government restrictions will not be demeaned in the manner they have been to date for showing that support .

Patrick2010 wrote: »

People have had Covid but later tests showed no antibodies in their system

The purpose of the vaccine is to get the body to produce antibodies, which Cvoid does. Hence they have already successfully proven a stronger natural response to covid.

I wonder if vaccine announcement had a big impact on people becoming more complacent. Was just looking on worldometers and a couple of countries with high vaccination rates have recently began to have very large outbreaks, UAE, Israel, UK..Ireland too