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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #4862
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Yes we know that, you posting how good and virtuous you were is not going to change that, might there be some smugness on display?

    Not smug. Nobody can be smug when this is going on. Just angry at the waste of life. Everybdy knew the score, not only me, and yet they did it anyway.


  • #4863
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So please explain thousands of cases a day when we’ve been locked down or heavily restricted for at least 8 of the last 10 months.

    Jesus christ you actually don't know? Are you for real??


  • #4864
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Your obsession with somebody commenting on keeping to restrictions and trying to keep safe seems like railing against a guilt trip.

    Not at all, my Xmas was very quiet also, I don't feel the need to come on here and brag about how good I was. A lot of people suffering now also kept to restrictions.


  • #4865
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,616 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Not smug. Nobody can be smug when this is going on. Just angry at the waste of life. Everybdy knew the score, not only me, and yet they did it anyway.

    When you don't see the direct consequences of your choices it's easier to justify them. I think a big problem was people also thinking it was good as over when the Vaccine announcements were made.


  • #4866
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    nacho libre wrote: »
    When you don't see the direct consequences of your choices it's easier to justify them. I think a big problem was people also thinking it was good as over when the Vaccine announcements were made.

    In other words, despite all the media coverage and briefings available, pure ignorance.


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  • #4867
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    stargazer 68 wrote: »
    And where do you propose they live? Nursing homes dont have spare rooms to have staff living in. Kitchens, bathrooms etc. Its not as simple as that.

    If we had known in advance how contagious and lethal to the elderly I wonder could something along these lines have been set up. I know it's drastic and unprecedented, but we've lost over 1,000 nursing home residents...


  • #4868
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Not smug. Nobody can be smug when this is going on. Just angry at the waste of life. Everybdy knew the score, not only me, and yet they did it anyway.

    We are all angry and frustrated at the loss of life.


  • #4869
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Yes we know that, you posting how good and virtuous you were is not going to change that, might there be some smugness on display?
    Hmm..
    Akabusi wrote: »
    I don't give a fcuk what restrictions are in place come Christmas, I am going to enjoy it. This endless hysteria and concern from RTE and Tony & Co has become tiresome.These restrictions have done their job when you.consider the schools have stayed open and yet hospitals have not been overrun. Therefore I'm going to visit family and friends and eat and drink way too much. Come January I'll gladly lock down myself, its a ****ty month anyhow.


  • #4870
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,040 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Hmm..

    Oof.


  • #4871
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Akabusi wrote: »
    We are all angry and frustrated at the loss of life.

    Some more than others it seems.


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  • #4872
    Lawrence Quick Lumber
    Posts: 0 ✭ Lawrence Quick Lumber


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Tense scenes regarding the vaccine procurement and allocation.

    https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1349435254818426882?s=20

    Ffs Donnelly. Couldn't help himself.


  • #4873
    Hold My Hand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Hold My Hand


    Had to collect relation from a hospital today (not Covid related). While waiting, security guy asked another person waiting to collect dischargee to move further away from me as he detected she had a very high temperature. She gave a bit of guff and he had to repeat his request. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.


  • #4874
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Hmm..

    I'm a decent guy!

    decentguy.gif


  • #4875
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Hmm..

    Nice selective post from my history, I can confirm I did visit family and had a friend visit me. None of us took any risks, not one pub or restaurant visited. I didn't even enter a shop in the run up to Xmas. Importantly none of us, broke any restrictions and to give everyone the full picture of my post, it was in reaction to the poor rte reporting.


  • #4876
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Simone Hollow Tumor wrote: »
    Ffs Donnelly. Couldn't help himself.

    I don't like him at all but he should have been given the chance to respond imo.


  • #4877
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nacho libre wrote: »
    When you don't see the direct consequences of your choices it's easier to justify them. I think a big problem was people also thinking it was good as over when the Vaccine announcements were made.

    I don't think it had anything to do with the vaccine announcements, no idea why people would want to attach those two things.


  • #4878
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    I don't like him at all but he should have been given the chance to respond imo.

    She did give him a chance, then he couldn't stop himself being a rude p*ick so he lost it again.


  • #4879
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Not at all, my Xmas was very quiet also, I don't feel the need to come on here and brag about how good I was. A lot of people suffering now also kept to restrictions.

    That's not what you posted at Christmas. Hope you enjoyed meeting family and friends. Many of us forewent the pleasure in the hope of breaking the chain of infection.


  • #4880
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    mollser wrote: »
    Well, as a suggestion, perhaps there could have been bi-daily antigen testing of all persons entering the homes. I believe these will pretty certainly show positive results when people are at the most invectiousness. And results in 15 minutes! Sure, some virus may leak in, but surely they would have caught the worst of the persons bringing in the virus.

    Why this was never even considered an option, on top of weekly PCR testing, will, for me, be the greatest failing of NPHET in managing this crisis. NPHET seem to reject these as not as reliable as PCR - fine, but nobody ever suggested they replace PCR. And given they stopped doing PCR anyway...

    Sure they'll say it wouldn't have worked, well I guess we'll never know - the greatest failing was not even trying - the do nothing approach.

    Hence the problem by that time its too late, you can still pass on the virus when you are not at your most infectiousness.

    Here's an idea give every nursing home an Abbott NOW Isothermal NAT (PCR) and its only 13 min per test. You get better accuracy than antigen test.

    Government could buy these but it didn't.


  • #4881
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That's not what you posted at Christmas. Hope you enjoyed meeting family and friends. Many of us forewent the pleasure in the hope of breaking the chain of infection.

    I posted that in the middle of November when in the last lockdown and no-one knew when it would be lifted. If you want to bring up another post of mine from December you will see concern at the easing of restrictions but that the hope would be that cases would not go too high.
    If it makes you feel better in trying to shame and make people feel guilty then good for you.


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  • #4882
    wexwitch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭wexwitch


    majcos wrote: »
    The regular capacity refers to the physical areas, equipment and staffing levels that they have to deliver Intensive Care to accepted standard and guidelines.

    Surge capacity may be created by using other areas of hospital that would usually be used to deliver different services such as using a cardiothoracic high dependency unit to provide acute medical care. This means that major operations such as cardiac bypasses and valve replacements are cancelled. A delay might be fine or one of those delayed patients could have a heart attack and die while waiting for a bypass.

    Surge capacity space also created by using theatre recovery areas which means cancellations of elective surgeries. Those surgeries could be relatively minor operations such as hernia repairs but could also be as major as cancer operations.

    Nursing staff for that surge capacity could be existing ICU staff taking on extra shifts above their 39 hour week. Or it could be staff who have some equivalent, but not full, ICU training. Obviously they will do their best but the level of care and knowledge may not be as good as it would normally be/should be. Those nurses taken from EDs, CCUs and other areas being replaced by general nurses and outpatient nurses so outpatients cancelled.

    Anaesthetic cover for those ICU beds created by staff doing extra hours and by diverting anaesthetists who would have been in operating theatres into intensive care units. Respiratory physicians taken from doing bronchoscopys so delays in diagnosing lung cancers, other physicians taken from outpatients so the waiting list crisis gets even worse, etc. etc.

    So surge capacity ‘steals’ physical space, equipment and staff from other services which results in losses to those services. Staff skills may be suboptimal so level of care may not be as good as it would normally be and even with fully skilled ICU staff and other physicians sheer fatigue through extra hours and stress may lead to errors.

    Thank you for such an informative post.

    I've spent a lot of time over the years being a visitor to ICUs and HDU (cardiac) over many years, in different hospitals. The staff in all have always been fabulous. I feel so sorry for them all now, they must be exhausted.

    I think that the majority of people don't realise the huge impact of not having many/any ICU beds available and the knock on effect it has on so many other health conditions. All the ones you mentioned in your post.

    Hopefully we can all get through this.

    Thank you to all the healthcare staff ❤️


  • #4883
    Golfwidow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Golfwidow


    Hold My Hand wrote: »
    Had to collect relation from a hospital today (not Covid related). While waiting, security guy asked another person waiting to collect dischargee to move further away from me as he detected she had a very high temperature. She gave a bit of guff and he had to repeat his request. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.
    That poor security guy. Why do people have to give guff??!! Let people do their jobs, respect the rules. This is hard for everyone. I don’t blame you wanting to get out of there. I’m finding that in the supermarket it’s the same. Some people are clearly invading my space and ignoring the 2 metre guidance. It’s got to the stage where I have to ask people to move back.


  • #4884
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I went to one shop ONCE, Dunnes to do all my Christmas shopping. I went as early as possible to avoid the crowds in full pandemic regalia.
    That was my Christmas, and I said to myself, lets hope everybody does this and we will be grand. But of course they didn't. They went crazy and partied like it was 1999.
    RIP the 63.

    You should have done your shopping after 9pm..... Because the night.


  • #4885
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Hence the problem by that time its too late, you can still pass on the virus when you are not at your most infectiousness.

    Here's an idea give every nursing home an Abbott NOW Isothermal NAT (PCR) and its only 13 min per test. You get better accuracy than antigen test.

    Government could buy these but it didn't.

    https://www.globalpointofcare.abbott/en/product-details/id-now.html

    That is a fascinating piece of technology. Watched the video on the site. I want one! One question - what happens to the billions of replicated rna after test finished?


  • #4886
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well I don’t have all the answers, I’m just one individual.

    Staff living in nursing homes may not be a complete non runner. I mean we have billions to spend and surely we could offer a hell of a salary for people willing to make such a sacrifice.

    Also, I don’t see why we can’t use temperature checks and Antigen testing. NPHET are completely against antigen testing but surely it could have helped a great deal in homes.

    We also shouldn’t have cut back on the PCR testing that we were doing.

    I’m sure a team of experts could come up with a few suggestions if the desire was there.

    But ultimately blanket lockdown and blame the public is easier and less taxing.

    So you want to confine these citizens to their "homes" for the duration?

    You really think anyone would sign up for that?


  • #4887
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That's not what you posted at Christmas. Hope you enjoyed meeting family and friends. Many of us forewent the pleasure in the hope of breaking the chain of infection.

    Are you on the hunt for a medal or something?


  • #4888
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    How can one guy be so wrong? Because he's made 160K preying on stupid people.

    https://twitter.com/IainMulady/status/1349375358936690688?s=20

    Anyone named Ivor Cummins was always destined to be a prick.


  • #4889
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Nice selective post from my history, I can confirm I did visit family and had a friend visit me. None of us took any risks, not one pub or restaurant visited. I didn't even enter a shop in the run up to Xmas. Importantly none of us, broke any restrictions and to give everyone the full picture of my post, it was in reaction to the poor rte reporting.
    Was this in reaction to the poor rte reporting too?
    Akabusi wrote: »
    The poor bedwetters only want a dry night's sleep.


  • #4890
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Eivor wrote: »
    Are you on the hunt for a medal or something?

    Context dear boy, context.

    But jump in half baked if you want.

    It's a matter of let he without sin cast the first stone .


    He made a point of twice slagging of someone for virtue signalling. But fire away; chuck the medal in the post like a good lad.


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  • #4891
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    She did give him a chance, then he couldn't stop himself being a rude p*ick so he lost it again.

    Here is the footage of what happened next. Always important for context.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8Jw-VYflY


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