Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Samsonsmasher · 13-01-2021 05:22PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Might have been covered in the many other threads on the matter, but do you think Trump actually believes what he is saying himself about voter fraud, conspiracies, fake news, etc?

I can't help think that when himself, Don Jnr and co sit around having a coffee they are laughing their heads off at the 70m people who voted for them, and the fact that many of them actually believe his every word, no matter how crazy or outlandish the claim is? I bet they are saying "we gotta keep this going, because these people actually believe our every word, even if we don't ourselves".

Apologies if done already elsewhere.

I think he does. He says basically that Biden's election went against all national and historical trends. In the primaries Trump got a huge vote and was polling at 95% approval rate among GOP voters. The 2020 election had an historically high turnout with Trump increasing his vote dramatically. He won Florida and Ohio at which point most opponents historically concede and was ahead in all the swing states until the count was stopped followed by the introduction of mail in votes which were almost 100% for Biden with curiously low spoiled ballots. These votes were concentrated in the counties encompassing Detroit Milwaukee Philadelphia Pittsburgh and Atlanta with the result that Biden won these states by only a few thousand votes.
Trump believes that the rules for mail in ballots were ignored meaning they should have been tossed. Also there were dead people voting, there was impersonation, ineligible people voted such as felons and people out of state etc which further should have cut Biden's lead. He also claims ballots were changed or destroyed.
He claims the recounts were bogus and there weren't proper audits and all of this was conducted by corrupt officials taking their orders from the Democrats or RINO Republicans.
He thinks the Supreme Court was wrong when it refused to hear the challenge to the result in Pennsylvania because under the constitution only the state legislature not the state supreme court can change the rules for elections in this case admitted ballots after the 8pm deadline on election day.

He absolutely believes it. Of that there is no doubt.

seamus · 13-01-2021 05:27PM

Penn wrote: »

They really are the most hypocritical, petulant group of c*nts.

The problem here is that in other countries, the proper crazy politicians, the kind who would bring a weapon into the chamber and go postal, would belong to fringe parties.
In the US anyone who's within an ass's roar of actually getting elected, gets aligned to one of the two parties.

So you get this wide variance in individuals inside parties.

What I'm saying is that if I suggested a representative might walk around the metal detectors and bring a weapon into the building would typically be met with claims that, "No, Republicans are crazy, but they're not that crazy".

When in reality, some US politicians ARE that crazy, because the requirements for being a party member are solely down to your electability and not your character.

I'd be deeply, deeply concerned that Bob Gibbs walking around the metal detector was a demonstration to someone else or a test run to prove whether someone could bring in a weapon without being stopped by security.

jimmycrackcorm · 13-01-2021 05:28PM

francois wrote: »

Have to agree vast majority of coders I've met working in IT nearly 30 years now would be left of centre and liberal in their beliefs, nor shy of hiding it either.

I'm a similar time in IT and I would suggest liberal and right of centre for people working here in Ireland anyway. Because we're highly paid and acutely aware of how much of our pay goes in taxation without benefits such as free housing.

Overheal · 13-01-2021 05:31PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1349392042112249857?s=20

Took a minute to figure out that song was titled Yakety Sax

PhilOssophy · 13-01-2021 05:33PM

Do you not think that is just the public persona Trump though Samsonsmasher? He knows what his supporters want to hear, so he keeps peddling it. He claimed thousands of dead people, but produced no evidence.
I can't help think that they are actually pissing themselves laughing in the background after the latest proclamation that people actually believe this tripe, no?
I'd love to know if he's actually a complete troll who has hit the jackpot in finding naive gullible people to eat out of the palm of his hand?

chicorytip · 13-01-2021 05:33PM

I don't believe his comments or actions in advance of the march on Capitol Hill by his supporters could be viewed as an incitement to riot. Not at all. It would have occurred anyway.
I think Trump suffers from some form of cognitive impairment. His (non-scripted) utterances are usually rambling, incoherent and senseless and his facial expression is mask like with an unfocused look in the eyes. He may be exhibiting signs of dementia.

Necro · 13-01-2021 05:36PM

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13-01-2021 05:41PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I don't believe his comments or actions in advance of the march on Capitol Hill by his supporters could be viewed as an incitement to riot. Not at all. It would have occurred anyway.
I think Trump suffers from some form of cognitive impairment. His (non-scripted) utterances are usually rambling, incoherent and senseless and his facial expression is mask like with an unfocused look in the eyes. He may be exhibiting signs of dementia.

I think he sort of does, he is wealthy enough to have been shielded from having to examine his rambling nonsense.

Mr Velo · 13-01-2021 05:44PM

What time are the fireworks beginning on CNN then? (what time do approx should I tune in at?)

rossie1977 · 13-01-2021 05:44PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

I think he does. He says basically that Biden's election went against all national and historical trends. In the primaries Trump got a huge vote and was polling at 95% approval rate among GOP voters.

No it didn't. Biden was polling ahead of Trump for over two years. I am not nostradamus but you can look back on my posts from 2 years ago saying Biden would beat him. The blue wave during the 2018 primaries were just a precursor of things to come..

Trump had high popularity among Republicans but record low approval among Dems and independents. Trump knew Biden was massive threat hence why he tried to get Ukraine to dig up dirt on him.

The 2020 election had an historically high turnout with Trump increasing his vote dramatically. He won Florida and Ohio at which point most opponents historically concede

Sorry but what?

Turnout was up across the board. That was mostly due to how easy mail in made voting compared to normally waiting hours on line to vote.

and was ahead in all the swing states until the count was stopped followed by the introduction of mail in votes which were almost 100% for Biden with curiously low spoiled ballots. These votes were concentrated in the counties encompassing Detroit Milwaukee Philadelphia Pittsburgh and Atlanta with the result that Biden won these states by only a few thousand votes.

Incorrect. Some states counted mail in first like Ohio, Texas and South Carolina and Biden raced into big leads in all three states only to be pegged back once voting on day was counted. Other states counted day voting first then mail in.

The cities are predominantly Democrat, we know that. Just look at Texas 2018 senate vote. Cruz won all the small counties and lost the big cities.

Not surprising there was very few spoiled mail votes. The procedure to vote by mail is extremely detailed and requires a lot of work before a postal vote is accepted as legitimate.

Trump believes that the rules for mail in ballots were ignored meaning they should have been tossed.

Toss millions of legal votes, bet he would have liked that .

Maybe if he hadn't told supporters that mail in was fraudulent for months leading into election more Republicans would have voted this way

Also there were dead people voting, there was impersonation, ineligible people voted such as felons and people out of state etc which further should have cut Biden's lead. He also claims ballots were changed or destroyed.

And yet multiple court cases found no evidence of any of this. Ironically the dead people who did vote were mostly Republicans...

He claims the recounts were bogus and there weren't proper audits and all of this was conducted by corrupt officials taking their orders from the Democrats or RINO Republicans.
He thinks the Supreme Court was wrong when it refused to hear the challenge to the result in Pennsylvania.

He absolutely believes it. Of that there is no doubt.

He can believe what he likes. In Georgia the governer rejected Trumps claims and he was one of Trumps biggest supporters, foolishly rushing to reopen state when Trump called on governors to do so.

Quin_Dub · 13-01-2021 05:51PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I don't believe his comments or actions in advance of the march on Capitol Hill by his supporters could be viewed as an incitement to riot. Not at all. It would have occurred anyway.
I think Trump suffers from some form of cognitive impairment. His (non-scripted) utterances are usually rambling, incoherent and senseless and his facial expression is mask like with an unfocused look in the eyes. He may be exhibiting signs of dementia.

Wholeheartedly disagree.

He just not very bright , not very well educated and not very well read but no one has ever actually told him that , so he thinks he's Awesome.

No one has ever told him no , no one has ever told him his ideas or statements is complete tripe - He has been enabled and pandered to for his entire life.

That's part of why (all of why really) he has spent his entire Presidency whining. He was finally actually answerable to people.

People that he can't fire or ignore.

So now when those people don't vote for him and have rejected him , he simply cannot wrap his brain around that.

This is what can happen when you spoil your kids people!!!

Leroy42 · 13-01-2021 05:56PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I don't believe his comments or actions in advance of the march on Capitol Hill by his supporters could be viewed as an incitement to riot. Not at all. It would have occurred anyway.
I think Trump suffers from some form of cognitive impairment. His (non-scripted) utterances are usually rambling, incoherent and senseless and his facial expression is mask like with an unfocused look in the eyes. He may be exhibiting signs of dementia.

But it never happened before. Not in 2016, 2012, 2008 etc etc.

On what basis are you claiming that all these people that had never done anything like this before would have done it regardless of Trump?

BattleCorp · 13-01-2021 05:58PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

But it never happened before. Not in 2016, 2012, 2008 etc etc.

On what basis are you claiming that all these people that had never done anything like this before would have done it regardless of Trump?

The people who brought cable ties, IED's etc. to use when storming the Capitol building didn't do so on the basis of Trump's speech. They had that stuff with them so they must have intended to storm the building long before Trump gave the speech that people are saying started the riot.

flazio · 13-01-2021 06:00PM

Does Congress have a version of Oireachtas TV we can look into?

Quin_Dub · 13-01-2021 06:02PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

The people who brought cable ties, IED's etc. to use when storming the Capitol building didn't do so on the basis of Trump's speech. They had that stuff with them so they must have intended to storm the building long before Trump gave the speech that people are saying started the riot.

Not THAT speech perhaps , but it was absolutely the inevitable cumulative outcome of ALL his speeches about the Election since November , but also all of the ones before hand.

They wouldn't have been in DC looking for a fight at all had he not filled their heads with lies for months.

Agent Coulson · 13-01-2021 06:02PM

flazio wrote: »

Does Congress have a version of Oireachtas TV we can look into?

https://www.c-span.org/

Overheal · 13-01-2021 06:03PM

flazio wrote: »

Does Congress have a version of Oireachtas TV we can look into?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61-Hm7atqIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnyfYgu5iqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToslU-e-pFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_DG3pH_eg

Quin_Dub · 13-01-2021 06:03PM

flazio wrote: »

Does Congress have a version of Oireachtas TV we can look into?

https://www.house.gov/watch-houselive

Samsonsmasher · 13-01-2021 06:06PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Do you not think that is just the public persona Trump though Samsonsmasher? He knows what his supporters want to hear, so he keeps peddling it. He claimed thousands of dead people, but produced no evidence.
I can't help think that they are actually pissing themselves laughing in the background after the latest proclamation that people actually believe this tripe, no?
I'd love to know if he's actually a complete troll who has hit the jackpot in finding naive gullible people to eat out of the palm of his hand?

I don't think Trump's public persona is any different from his private one. What you see is what you get.

There is no hidden inner psychology to Trump.

All his cards are on the table

Tell me how · 13-01-2021 06:06PM

flazio wrote: »

Does Congress have a version of Oireachtas TV we can look into?

Cspan channels on Youtube are very good.

It's carrying the House debates and votes right now.

jill_valentine · 13-01-2021 06:08PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

I don't think Trump's public persona is any different from his private one. What you see is what you get.

There is no hidden inner psychology to Trump.

All his cards are on the table

He tells his supporters he loves them and then expresses disgust at how "low class" they are in private.

Samsonsmasher · 13-01-2021 06:09PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

The people who brought cable ties, IED's etc. to use when storming the Capitol building didn't do so on the basis of Trump's speech. They had that stuff with them so they must have intended to storm the building long before Trump gave the speech that people are saying started the riot.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

That's Trump in his own words. Nothing he said started the riot.

Billy Mays · 13-01-2021 06:11PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1349382998072971265?s=20

Remember when Republicans were saying that if people complied complied with the police things like the death of George Floyd wouldn't happen???

They've always been a bunch of massive hypocrites but they're really pushing it up to warp speed the last couple of months

Samsonsmasher · 13-01-2021 06:11PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

He tells his supporters he loves them and then expresses disgust at how "low class" they are in private.

He could see the idiots smashing the doors and windows and that utter clown with the horns so I presume he was referring to them?

joe40 · 13-01-2021 06:11PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Wholeheartedly disagree.

He just not very bright , not very well educated and not very well read but no one has ever actually told him that , so he thinks he's Awesome.

No one has ever told him no , no one has ever told him his ideas or statements is complete tripe - He has been enabled and pandered to for his entire life.

That's part of why (all of why really) he has spent his entire Presidency whining. He was finally actually answerable to people.

People that he can't fire or ignore.

So now when those people don't vote for him and have rejected him , he simply cannot wrap his brain around that.

This is what can happen when you spoil your kids people!!!

Absolutely spot on in my opinion.
I once saw a language expert analysing Trump speeches, it was great. One of the things the guy pointed was loads of examples where Trump would say, "not many people know this but..."
According to the guy analysing the speeches It translates to "I only found this out..."
When examples were given you could really see it.

Agent Coulson · 13-01-2021 06:16PM

Don't impeach as it will cause the terrorists to become violent again just let the terrorist's win and move on.

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1349397976914010117?s=20

Gregor Samsa · 13-01-2021 06:16PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

That's Trump in his own words. Nothing he said started the riot.

Does anyone seriously think he was telling people to "take back their country" from an "illegitimate president" and to "fight like hell" or "you’re not going to have a country anymore" by standing around outside The Capitol and singing "Kumbaya"? Please :rolleyes:

Here's the rest of his own words:

"We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore, and that is what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal."

“You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen. These are the facts that you won’t hear from the fake news media. It’s all part of the suppression effort. They don’t want to talk about it. They don’t want to talk about it."

“We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

"And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. … We are going to the Capitol, and we are going to try and give — the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote, but we are going to try — give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re try — going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

They then went and stormed the capitol. In the middle of this, he released a video calling them Patriots and justifying what they were doing:

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long."

jill_valentine · 13-01-2021 06:16PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

He could see the idiots smashing the doors and windows and that utter clown with the horns so I presume he was referring to them?

No, by every account he thoroughly enjoyed seeing the violence in his honour, it's the caliber of the people themselves that revolts him, they're not the kind of rioters he wants for his brand.

Just like he says he'll be "right there with them" and then gets chauffeured off away as quickly as possible. We have him on tape to know he knew he was lying about how deadly Covid was, something that serious and he would lie about it. He's phony head to toe.

jill_valentine · 13-01-2021 06:16PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

He could see the idiots smashing the doors and windows and that utter clown with the horns so I presume he was referring to them?

No, by every account he thoroughly enjoyed seeing the violence in his honour, it's the caliber of the people themselves that revolts him, they're not the kind rioters he wants for his brand.

Just like he says he'll be "right there with them" and then gets chauffeured off away as quickly as possible. We have him on tape to know he knew he was lying about how deadly Covid was, something that serious and he would lie about it. He's phony head to toe.

joe40 · 13-01-2021 06:17PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

That's Trump in his own words. Nothing he said started the riot.

That speech was carefully scripted, obviously by someone else. He absolutely incited and inflamed the crowd. He used the word fight frequently and used militaristic and revolutionary language.
Then throw in a final sentence as cover.
He blatantly referred to this today. "Look at my last paragraph"
It was calculated but not convincing.

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