New NOx VRT levy

User1998 · 11-12-2020 4:46pm

I assume there talking about VAT and customs duties, which is 23% and 10%

L-M · 12-12-2020 7:14pm

He already has the 30 percent added on by the looks of it,’lol.

The_B_Man · 12-12-2020 7:59pm

Ye it looks like it. I'd say it's priced for all the extras. Massage seats and 2 choices of perfume to waft into the cabin, as well as all the tech bells and whistles.

Does the VRT go up for all those extras? The ad says it was €93k new. Although with the CO2, it'll be in the low category so around €5600 for CO2, and probably feck all for NOx.

Is there any site that would tell u the VRT this year vs after Jan 1st so you can compare and decide which is the better option?

User1998 · 12-12-2020 8:28pm

http://budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2021/Documents/Budget/BUDGET%2021_Tax%20Policy%20Changes.pdf

L-M · 13-12-2020 1:15pm

The_B_Man wrote: »

Ye it looks like it. I'd say it's priced for all the extras. Massage seats and 2 choices of perfume to waft into the cabin, as well as all the tech bells and whistles.

Does the VRT go up for all those extras? The ad says it was €93k new. Although with the CO2, it'll be in the low category so around €5600 for CO2, and probably feck all for NOx.

Is there any site that would tell u the VRT this year vs after Jan 1st so you can compare and decide which is the better option?

Do you know what the C02 of that car is?

The_B_Man · 13-12-2020 4:30pm

L-M wrote: »

Do you know what the C02 of that car is?

I Googled 2017 520e and it said 46g/km of CO2.

From my calculations form the above PDF:
x(0.9227)+34.554

Where X = 46:

46(0.9227)+34.554
= 76.9982

Which is a change from 7% to 9%.

L-M · 13-12-2020 9:20pm

Assuming it will still qualify for the grant it should be cheaper in Jan.

The_B_Man · 14-12-2020 2:12am

L-M wrote: »

Assuming it will still qualify for the grant it should be cheaper in Jan.

This grant?
https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/electric-and-hybrid-vehicles.aspx

Ends 31st December 2020. Up to €1750 before then.

How long does vrt registration take anyway? Like if I apply Dec 31st does that qualify? Or does the registration have to be compete by then? Coz if it takes 2 weeks, then the real cutoff is next week or so.

User1998 · 14-12-2020 2:14am

Theres no vrt appointments left for this year, apart from the odd cancellation

The_B_Man · 14-12-2020 11:25am

Ah ok, so the deadline has basically passed. Thats a pity.

L-M · 14-12-2020 9:09pm

I’m sure that dealer already has that car “Pre inspected” so should be able to get it cleared on the day.

millington · 15-12-2020 10:31am

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Right assuming I've got this all understood properly I'm going to do a comparison of importing now and importing after New years assuming worst case scenario with Brexit.

Car is a 07 FN2 Civic 2.0 with 80k miles bought for €4000. I'll use an 07 because it's cheaper to tax than a 08 on Co2 and the Civic itself is quite a high emitting Co2 car. And I also know of someone looking to buy one. Or was :pac:

I'm not going to include cost of flight & boat.

Today:

OMSP - €2000 according to revenue

Vrt - €760 Inc Nox
3 months motor tax - €200

Total - €4960

2021:

OMSP still €2000 (for argument sake)

Vrt - €2060 including Nox, VAT and import duty at 10%.
3 months motor tax - €678

Total - €6738

Difference - €1778

Your second calculations seem very wrong

Duty 10% of €4000 = €400
VAT 23% of €4400 = €1012
VRT at new rate I can't tell because I don't know the CO2
The motor tax will remain unchanged

wpd · 15-12-2020 11:12am

with the northern ireland trade protocol will imports from Northern ireland be exempt from the duty and VAT then if the worst case no deal goes through

15-12-2020 10:10pm

millington wrote: »

Your second calculations seem very wrong

Duty 10% of €4000 = €400
VAT 23% of €4400 = €1012
VRT at new rate I can't tell because I don't know the CO2
The motor tax will remain unchanged

VAT is 21 now

KerrySurfer · 16-12-2020 12:49pm

Quick question regarding the new 2021 motor tax rates.

If a used car is imported in 2021 it is subject to the recalculated WLTP rate for VRT. Does anyone know for definite what tax rate this car will be taxed at in terms of motor tax?

e.g. A car has a NEDC of 178 so the adjusted WLTP would be 199. This would be a VRT rate of 30% under the current system and would rise to 37% under the new system for 2021. That's all clear.

The thing I'm unsure of is what motor tax rate the car would fall under once imported next year? If the car was to be taxed at it's original registration date (in another country) it would be taxed at €600pa, if it were to be taxed at the adjusted WLTP rate based on it's import into Ireland date it would be €790pa, that's a big difference.

If anyone could point me to documentation that clarifies this I'd appreciate it. Common sense would dictate that it would fall under the NEDC rate which would fall into line with all other cars registered between 2008 and 2020 but any clarification would be great!

Cheers!

millington · 21-12-2020 12:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

VAT is 21 now

True but only for a shortwhile longer

Skippy along · 27-12-2020 12:09pm

wpd wrote: »

with the northern ireland trade protocol will imports from Northern ireland be exempt from the duty and VAT then if the worst case no deal goes through

Yes If I'm reading it right but go easy on me I'm still wearing my bear goggles from last night so I stand to be corrected.

Skippy along · 27-12-2020 12:29pm

https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-news/index.aspx

hada87 · 01-01-2021 10:32am

Hi all

I imported a car from Northern Ireland in December but don’t have the VRT until middle of Jan.

I’m a bit confused by the new VRT rates - and just wondering if anyone could give some guidance? I had calculated it at around €2880 total additional for a 2017 Fiat 500X 1.6 petrol, but can’t seem to work out what the new costing will be? Many thanks.

gally74 · 01-01-2021 10:36am

hada87 wrote: »

Hi all

I imported a car from Northern Ireland in December but don’t have the VRT until middle of Jan.

I’m a bit confused by the new VRT rates - and just wondering if anyone could give some guidance? I had calculated it at around €2880 total additional for a 2017 Fiat 500X 1.6 petrol, but can’t seem to work out what the new costing will be? Many thanks.

worth watching the video from earlier, does it have a NI reg or UK, and youll need proff that it is a genuine NI car...

Skippy along · 01-01-2021 10:40am

hada87 wrote: »

Hi all

I imported a car from Northern Ireland in December but don’t have the VRT until middle of Jan.

I’m a bit confused by the new VRT rates - and just wondering if anyone could give some guidance? I had calculated it at around €2880 total additional for a 2017 Fiat 500X 1.6 petrol, but can’t seem to work out what the new costing will be? Many thanks.

Put the car details in the link below it looks like they have the new rates on the system up now.

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e2s1

L-M · 01-01-2021 10:42am

On the V5 document in the bottom left somewhere it should say the CO2 for the car?

Skippy along · 01-01-2021 11:00am

hada87 wrote: »

Hi all

I imported a car from Northern Ireland in December but don’t have the VRT until middle of Jan.

I’m a bit confused by the new VRT rates - and just wondering if anyone could give some guidance? I had calculated it at around €2880 total additional for a 2017 Fiat 500X 1.6 petrol, but can’t seem to work out what the new costing will be? Many thanks.

Did a quick search 1.6 pop version is 3.800 vrt

Burty330 · 01-01-2021 11:50am

The VRT i calculated costs more than the car I want to buy.

€6.400 VRT for a £4.700 Volvo 2013 V40.. I VRT'd a UK car 10 years ago for a reasonable price but this is ridiculous. I don't believe other EU countries are taxed this heavily when buying a car from the UK.

User1998 · 01-01-2021 11:54am

VRT on a 65 plate would be half that

Casati · 01-01-2021 12:07pm

Burty330 wrote: »

The VRT i calculated costs more than the car I want to buy.

€6.400 VRT for a £4.700 Volvo 2013 V40.. I VRT'd a UK car 10 years ago for a reasonable price but this is ridiculous. I don't believe other EU countries are taxed this heavily when buying a car from the UK.

Yeah importing cars like that isn’t feasible - you will also have VAT at 21% on top unless it’s a Northern Ireland car

bazz26 · 01-01-2021 12:09pm

Burty330 wrote: »

The VRT i calculated costs more than the car I want to buy.

€6.400 VRT for a £4.700 Volvo 2013 V40.. I VRT'd a UK car 10 years ago for a reasonable price but this is ridiculous. I don't believe other EU countries are taxed this heavily when buying a car from the UK.

They don't want you importing a car of that age with high co2/Nox figures as it would result in Ireland becoming a UK dumping ground for such cars, so they are making it prohibitively expensive to do so now.

hada87 · 01-01-2021 12:14pm

gally74 wrote: »

worth watching the video from earlier, does it have a NI reg or UK, and youll need proff that it is a genuine NI car...

Sorry, didn’t see the video? It was registered to a NI address and before that it was owned by the NI garage I bought it from (as a demo car). It’s all in the V5C I received.

Not sure what else I would need to prove same?

hada87 · 01-01-2021 1:02pm

L-M wrote: »

On the V5 document in the bottom left somewhere it should say the CO2 for the car?

Thank you - got it. Works out at €3,700 - quite a jump from €2800 or so what had previously been pre-2021...

gally74 · 01-01-2021 1:11pm

hada87 wrote: »

Thank you - got it. Works out at €3,700 - quite a jump from €2800 or so what had previously been pre-2021...

youd prob;aby buy cheaper down south

Burty330 · 01-01-2021 1:13pm

bazz26 wrote: »

They don't want you importing a car of that age with high co2/Nox figures as it would result in Ireland becoming a UK dumping ground for such cars, so they are making it prohibitively expensive to do so now.

Thats interesting. I thought the Volvo's and modern'ish diesels were light on emissions but had not heard about co2/nox figures before.

Whats the best way to get VRT down. To buy relatively new cars with low nox?

L-M · 01-01-2021 1:16pm

hada87 wrote: »

Thank you - got it. Works out at €3,700 - quite a jump from €2800 or so what had previously been pre-2021...

Do you own the car? Did you try get a booking before the end of the year?

If you were bored you could pay the VRT and then fight it afterwards.

bazz26 · 01-01-2021 1:50pm

Burty330 wrote: »

Thats interesting. I thought the Volvo's and modern'ish diesels were light on emissions but had not heard about co2/nox figures before.

Whats the best way to get VRT down. To buy relatively new cars with low nox?

Co2 is how the emissions are measured. Anything with a Euro6 compliant engine tends to have lower co2/Nox and petrol engines had a max Nox charge of €600. But really the time to import from the UK was last year. They changed the VRT bands and figures in last October's budget and they came into effect today. VRT has gone up on most cars now.

hada87 · 01-01-2021 3:55pm

gally74 wrote: »

youd prob;aby buy cheaper down south

No - still worked out at about €3,000 cheaper same year and very low mileage (28k miles).

hada87 · 01-01-2021 3:57pm

L-M wrote: »

Do you own the car? Did you try get a booking before the end of the year?

If you were bored you could pay the VRT and then fight it afterwards.

I do - bought it and had it delivered on 15 December. Tried to get a pre-Jan booking but absolutely no luck anywhere.

It’s certainly a sting to have to pay nearly €1,000 more in VRT. Not sure what else I can do to be honest.

superchippy · 01-01-2021 4:23pm

hada87 wrote: »

I do - bought it and had it delivered on 15 December. Tried to get a pre-Jan booking but absolutely no luck anywhere.

It’s certainly a sting to have to pay nearly €1,000 more in VRT. Not sure what else I can do to be honest.

I'm the same couldn't get a booking before the end of the year. I'm hoping the fact that I had the car imported before the 31st that they will let me vrt it on the old rate but probably have to pay the new rate and then appeal it. Even at that not sure how successful the appeal will be.

L-M · 01-01-2021 7:41pm

hada87 wrote: »

I do - bought it and had it delivered on 15 December. Tried to get a pre-Jan booking but absolutely no luck anywhere.

It’s certainly a sting to have to pay nearly €1,000 more in VRT. Not sure what else I can do to be honest.

You can pay it and then you can fight the case afterwards. Worth a shot.

Skippy along · 10-01-2021 12:30pm

With the new system up has anyone imported a car if so how did you get on?

The Guvnor · 10-01-2021 2:47pm

Some cars for sure are now cheaper south than to import but not by much and I find these are more your bigger diesels like A8/7 series.

gally74 wrote: »

youd prob;aby buy cheaper down south

Dr Dave · 11-01-2021 11:01am

I brought in a car just before Christmas and the VRT calculator gave a price of over €550 more based on changes to VRT and NOx after Christmas.
That doesn't include Import tax and Vat if they are payable, which is a great topic of debate at the moment.
It will certainly be interesting to see how things go now, just glad I'm not that sucker

The Guvnor · 12-01-2021 12:23pm

I was browsing carzone and a dealer priced up a 740d at €22k import has the screenshot to prove it but when I price the same car it's €10k.

I personally have no experience of it atm but can't see it getting much worse as VRT was already pretty bad.

Skippy along · 12-01-2021 1:36pm

Looks like buying from the north has gotten much more expensive with the increase in VRT be careful if you are as unless the car has been first registered in the North you'll be liable for VAT & customs duty
A lot of dealers source cars from the UK and ship them across so be careful and look for proof

12-01-2021 4:30pm

Skippy along wrote: »

Looks like buying from the north has gotten much more expensive with the increase in VRT be careful if you are as unless the car has been first registered in the North you'll be liable for VAT & customs duty
A lot of dealers source cars from the UK and ship them across so be careful and look for proof

I'd say we will hear a few horror stories in the coming weeks.

If someone makes that mistake with a 20K car they could be hit with 6K in addition to VRT when all is added up.

Skippy along · 12-01-2021 4:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd say we will hear a few horror stories in the coming weeks.

If someone makes that mistake with a 20K car they could be hit with 6K in addition to VRT when all is added up.

I'm just waiting for some poor soul to go through the process and let me know

there's still money to be saved but make sure the car your buying is " Born in the North" so to speak

User1998 · 12-01-2021 4:44pm

Theres not much value in the North and prices there will likely increase now

commited · 13-01-2021 3:37pm

Dr Dave wrote: »

I brought in a car just before Christmas and the VRT calculator gave a price of over €550 more based on changes to VRT and NOx after Christmas.
That doesn't include Import tax and Vat if they are payable, which is a great topic of debate at the moment.
It will certainly be interesting to see how things go now, just glad I'm not that sucker

You won't pay Duty/VAT as long as you can prove car was in the state prior to Dec 31st.

Banana Republic 1 · 13-01-2021 3:39pm

Skippy along wrote: »

I'm just waiting for some poor soul to go through the process and let me know there's still money to be saved but make sure the car your buying is " Born in the North" so to speak

It’s more than where was the car registered first. It comes down to we’re the car was built according to revenue now, ie Germany or England.

Skippy along · 16-01-2021 2:14pm

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It’s more than where was the car registered first. It comes down to we’re the car was built according to revenue now, ie Germany or England.

What in reading is I can import once it's been first registered in the North and not pay customs...

I have found a car that I want but Can't seem to get my head around the new Regulations can someone body translate please

" Vehicles first registered in Northern Ireland after 1 January 2021
You can register a vehicle first registered in Northern Ireland after 1 January 2021 without any check on its customs status. If it is a new vehicle for VAT purposes, then the VAT is collected at registration."

And then there's this

" Vehicles first registered in Great Britain and subsequently registered in Northern Ireland after 1 January 2021
Proof that vehicles were properly imported into Northern Ireland will be required for vehicles first registered in Great Britain and subsequently, after 1 January 2021, either:

registered to a private individual or a business in Northern Ireland
or
sold by a motor dealer with an address in Northern Ireland.
Proof will be in the form of:

a copy of the customs declaration showing the importation of the vehicle into Northern Ireland
or
a T2L document issued by HMRC.

galwaytt · 22-01-2021 2:06pm

Skippy along wrote: »

What in reading is I can import once it's been first registered in the North and not pay customs...

I have found a car that I want but Can't seem to get my head around the new Regulations can someone body translate please

" Vehicles first registered in Northern Ireland after 1 January 2021
You can register a vehicle first registered in Northern Ireland after 1 January 2021 without any check on its customs status. If it is a new vehicle for VAT purposes, then the VAT is collected at registration."

I read the above as applying to NEW vehicles. That is, registered for the first time (from new), in N.I.

Skippy along wrote: »

And then there's this

" Vehicles first registered in Great Britain and subsequently registered in Northern Ireland after 1 January 2021
Proof that vehicles were properly imported into Northern Ireland will be required for vehicles first registered in Great Britain and subsequently, after 1 January 2021, either:

registered to a private individual or a business in Northern Ireland
or
sold by a motor dealer with an address in Northern Ireland.
Proof will be in the form of:

a copy of the customs declaration showing the importation of the vehicle into Northern Ireland
or
a T2L document issued by HMRC.

This bit is all about used cars from GB into N.I.
Garages can't just import cars into N.I. for sale into RoI without (you) attracting Irish Customs & VAT. The phrase 'ultimately destined for' is what you should bear in mind. Cars bought in GB by N.I. traders for ultimate sale into RoI will attract Customs VAT, VRT & NoX taxes.

Cars will have to be imported into N.I., registered to owners in N.I. as legitimate N.I. owners cars. If they are subsequently sold (say privately) to RoI owners, they too will avoid Customs & VAT.

VRT & NoX taxes still apply to everything.

That's how I read it anyway.

deegs · 23-02-2021 1:11pm

Holy S#!t,
Looking to buy an old early 2000 Discovery 2 f(NI Reg) for about 5k and the vrt is hundreds but the NOx is 5500 :eek::eek::eek::eek:

its a beaut, but thats practically doubling the cost and its very unlikely to ever recoup! Wowsers
Suppose this is the same for an old landcruiser from Japan... what to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

New NOx VRT levy

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