Off Topic Thread 5.0

Zzippy · 12-01-2021 12:59pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

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TLDR: I feel like a muppet for not going out and seeing loads of people. I'm paying the price for it anyway, at least I could have got a few scoops and a decent meal out of it.

Look on the bright side - you're not on a ventilator now.

I know the advice was 3 households max, but seriously, WTF did people think was going to happen if they met 3 households - those other 2 households are also probably meeting other households, etc. It just wasn't worth the risk. We live a few miles from my in-laws and didn't see them over Christmas, nor any of the cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. I haven't seen my folks since August, before that February, and who knows when I will see them again.

It was bad decisions from government ignoring scientific advice, giving bad guidance to citizens ignoring that advice that caused this surge. And even if you stuck to "guidance" and met 1-3 other households, you were taking a risk and trusting your family's health to other people's behaviour.

12-01-2021 1:17pm

These comparisons are nonsense. Dublin to London is like Melbourne to Adelaide - Australia is a continent and more comparable to Europe than Ireland. We've relied on our migrant workforce from the EU within the health service throughout covid and an Australia style isolationist response when we have an open border could well have created a worst of both worlds scenario.

Now, had Ireland been able to go with an Island wide approach things could have been a lot different. It sickens me that the DUP couldn't get over themselves for 5 minutes to do the right thing for both Northern Ireland and Ireland but sadly they are a political reality (and a malignant one at that) which we've had to factor into our response. We've also had to deal with one of the worlds major epicentres being 12 miles off our coast, Australia has no such equivalent.

Credit to Australia, they've used their advantages well and should be proud of themselves - but they have advantages that we simply do not. Much like Zzippy - most of my family live between 1 and 10 miles from my house. I saw no one and accepted Christmas was a lost cause this year. Anyone who used the absolute limit of the restrictions is entirely responsible if they got covid. There are roads in Ireland with an 80km speed limit and if I insisted on going around some of the bends at 80km I'd end up in a ditch - this is no different, people should have used their own cop on and didn't.

irishbucsfan · 12-01-2021 1:24pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Exactly, although some did. I have two friends who followed guidelines, one flew in from the States with a negative test, isolated until receiving another negative test a week later. Another drove home from the UK and self-isolated for 2 weeks before seeing his parents/anyone. Then I know of a couple who flew back from London and were visiting both families in the days after.
It would have been harsh on the people who did follow guidelines, but travel should really have been stopped for all but essential reasons, and being home for Christmas was not essential.

I flew in on the 12th, got a negative covid test on the 19th and continued to isolate until Christmas, saw one other friend and his newborn, spent New Years at home, and then flew back out a few days later.

But in reality I’m very lucky to have a house where I can properly isolate back in Ireland on my own. Loads of people don’t have that ability and so couldn’t actually fly home and isolate properly on their own, or afford a covid test, and a lot of those people simply couldn’t come home at all (I feel quite guilty about that bit) and I guess some others couldn’t bare it and so just came home and didn’t follow the rules. I’m not really in a place to judge those people myself.

irishbucsfan · 12-01-2021 1:26pm

molloyjh wrote: »

What? 10-15 households can be anything from 20-50 people interacting in a closed environment. And that's just from 1 households perspective. Imagine how that increases exponentially if each of those other 10-15 households all did the same and all the 10-15 households that all of those visited etc etc.

This is the problem. We never needed a majority of the population to act irresponsibly. Most people visited someone over the Christmas. All you needed was 1 person in the entire group that you visited to be irresponsible, or vivist 1 person that was irresponsible, or visit 1 person who was a close contact of someone who was irresponsible. People keep talking about this like its some sort of personal responsibility where people have personal control over their circumstance. Thats just not true. Its a collective responsibility where other peoples actions will affect yours. The only way to avoid this on an individual basis is to not see anyone or go anywhere.

To give an example, I visited my MILs on Christmas Day and my parents on Stephens Day. My sister called me a few days after Christmas to tell me that she had to get a test as a close contact so I should avoid seeing my MIL given she is high risk. Unfortunately, my MIL had been out to the house since (childcare bubble). My sister had visited 1 friend on Christmas Day who had since tested positive for C19. In the end my sisters test came back negative. Her friend had picked it up from her sister in law, who she had visited on Christmas Day, but only after she had seen my sister. We effectively dodged the virus through a bit of luck. Had those visits occurred the other way around it could have been, literally, deadly.

The thing is, my sister didn't need to visit her friend. By doing so, she immediately increased the risk of infection, not just to herself, but to all of us around the table on Stephens Day and anyone we then came into contact with thereafter. And she visited just 1 household. That was it. Imagine the added risk of visiting 10-15 times as many households. Thats f-ing huge. Close contacts of 30 people is insane. And if only 10% of the population did that, it is still insane. Because over the Christmas period they almost certainly came into contact with most of the remaining 90% either directly or indirectly. That is exactly why we are where we are.

And let's be clear, while the Gov messaging on this wasn't great, NPHET were really clear. Do not meet up with loads of people. We were seeing increases before Christmas and the message they gave was clear. Keep contacts as low as you possibly can. Any adult who chose not to do that in a pandemic that has been going on for most of the year has no excuse. Covid was not new. The steps we needed to follow were well known. None of us should have needed the Gov or NPHET to tell us what to do. We are not children. And anyone who blames the Gov on this is simply part of the problem. We all know enough about this now. We have no excuse for not behaving responsibly of our own accord. We shouldn't need to be handheld.

I meant I don’t think it’s that extreme as a guess from Busr at how many were interacting, in the post I was replying to he said he thought that was an extreme estimate, I’d say it was probably fairly common

molloyjh · 12-01-2021 2:10pm

OldRio wrote: »

I agree ré personal and social responsibility. But not everyone ignored the restrictions. Not everyone met in large groups. The people I know locally, cancelled family coming home, including our own.

Oh I know not everyone did. As I said, I went to the MILs and she looks after our daughter anyway so has always been part of our bubble. She's 5 mins down the road. I also went to my parents who live 20 mins up the road. But because we are in Wicklow and they're in Dublin we've gone months at a time without seeing them. Which has been hard as they used to look after our daughter 2 days a week, now they are lucky to see her at all, and she them.

Outside of those and neighbours out on the road I've seen nobody since this started. Thankfully our daughter started pre-school, otherwise we'd probably all have lost our minds. Its just really frustrating when we've limited ourselves so much that others are having feckin' All-Ireland drinking sessions or going to a dozen or so other households. And as a result we have to limit ourselves for longer and worry about high risk family for longer, full in the knowledge that some of those eejits won't do the same.

EDIT: Just realised that we had 1 local family over for food one day in June. But thats it.

molloyjh · 12-01-2021 2:15pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I meant I don’t think it’s that extreme as a guess from Busr at how many were interacting, in the post I was replying to he said he thought that was an extreme estimate, I’d say it was probably fairly common

Ah sorry, read that completely wrong.

awec · 12-01-2021 2:17pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Look on the bright side - you're not on a ventilator now.

I know the advice was 3 households max, but seriously, WTF did people think was going to happen if they met 3 households - those other 2 households are also probably meeting other households, etc. It just wasn't worth the risk. We live a few miles from my in-laws and didn't see them over Christmas, nor any of the cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. I haven't seen my folks since August, before that February, and who knows when I will see them again.

It was bad decisions from government ignoring scientific advice, giving bad guidance to citizens ignoring that advice that caused this surge. And even if you stuck to "guidance" and met 1-3 other households, you were taking a risk and trusting your family's health to other people's behaviour.

I don't think the govt. ignored scientific advice with respect to households.

It was the pubs and restaurants.

awec · 12-01-2021 2:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

These comparisons are nonsense. Dublin to London is like Melbourne to Adelaide - Australia is a continent and more comparable to Europe than Ireland. We've relied on our migrant workforce from the EU within the health service throughout covid and an Australia style isolationist response when we have an open border could well have created a worst of both worlds scenario.

Now, had Ireland been able to go with an Island wide approach things could have been a lot different. It sickens me that the DUP couldn't get over themselves for 5 minutes to do the right thing for both Northern Ireland and Ireland but sadly they are a political reality (and a malignant one at that) which we've had to factor into our response. We've also had to deal with one of the worlds major epicentres being 12 miles off our coast, Australia has no such equivalent.

Credit to Australia, they've used their advantages well and should be proud of themselves - but they have advantages that we simply do not. Much like Zzippy - most of my family live between 1 and 10 miles from my house. I saw no one and accepted Christmas was a lost cause this year. Anyone who used the absolute limit of the restrictions is entirely responsible if they got covid. There are roads in Ireland with an 80km speed limit and if I insisted on going around some of the bends at 80km I'd end up in a ditch - this is no different, people should have used their own cop on and didn't.

Yea I see people elsewhere go on about how well New Zealand has done. New Zealand's distance to it's closest neighbour is like the distance from Ireland to Baghdad or something. It's a completely nonsensical proposition.

Ireland isn't socially or economically isolated enough to take a super-hard stance on travel.

aloooof · 12-01-2021 2:47pm

awec wrote: »

I don't think the govt. ignored scientific advice with respect to households.

It was the pubs and restaurants.

I wonder how much of the advice was meant to be taken independently vs in conjunction, tho.

Like, if NPHET knew the governments decision on pubs and restaurants, would their household advice have been stricter?

Zzippy · 12-01-2021 3:18pm

awec wrote: »

I don't think the govt. ignored scientific advice with respect to households.

It was the pubs and restaurants.

NPHET advised in writing that the government could either open hospitality, or allow households to meet at Christmas, but not both. It was either or, very clearly. Government ignored that and allowed both.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348719146893258758?s=20

Zzippy · 12-01-2021 3:23pm

Finally! Thought this day would never come, but there are workmen on the road outside installing fibre broadband cabling. Soon we'll have fibre broadband to within 10 yards of the house. Now just to deal with Eir and wait 5 years to get the last 10 yards connected!

FACECUTTR · 12-01-2021 4:02pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Finally! Thought this day would never come, but there are workmen on the road outside installing fibre broadband cabling. Soon we'll have fibre broadband to within 10 yards of the house. Now just to deal with Eir and wait 5 years to get the last 10 yards connected!

A great day for the parish. Would you not try get sky in and they could organise the eir connection and subsidize it ?

Zzippy · 12-01-2021 4:55pm

FACECUTTR wrote: »

A great day for the parish. Would you not try get sky in and they could organise the eir connection and subsidize it ?

Is that an option? TBH I had no idea of the next step, presumably they have to run an overhead wire to the house, or underground ducting? Thought we would have to go through Eir, but very happy if we don't!

FACECUTTR · 12-01-2021 6:26pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Is that an option? TBH I had no idea of the next step, presumably they have to run an overhead wire to the house, or underground ducting? Thought we would have to go through Eir, but very happy if we don't!

My dad recently got sky connected and the phone wire from the pole to the house had been broken in a storm a while ago. They charged 30 for the box install and 20 for the phone connection. I have no idea about a newly laid connection but it's worth a phone call to them. I'm sure Eir will charge alot more than that.

errlloyd · 12-01-2021 7:29pm

If the Fibre goes that close they can do the last few metres on existing infrastructure and you'll still get pretty good speeds.

swiwi_ · 12-01-2021 7:54pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Finally! Thought this day would never come, but there are workmen on the road outside installing fibre broadband cabling. Soon we'll have fibre broadband to within 10 yards of the house. Now just to deal with Eir and wait 5 years to get the last 10 yards connected!

The last 10 yards is a bit of letdown alright.

Tim Robbins · 12-01-2021 7:55pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

All Ireland had nothing to do with it. Relaxing restrictions had a little bit to do with it but it is largely down to huge numbers of people having large gatherings at home and 50-60k people allowed enter the country in the 10 days before Xmas and do whatever they wanted.

I saw a tweet on Sunday before Xmas from David Hall. He was in a coffee shop in town on a work break and a couple sat near him with their kid, telling their friend they arrived over from the UK the day before and were going for covid tests on Tuesday.

They should not have been let in without mandatory quarantine or a negative test.

The village that has had the highest covid incidence in last few weeks is coincidentally in Mayo. Spoke to someone there and was told there were all sorts of p*ss ups for the match and loads of them caught it.

It's anecdotal evidence but sadly think kicking that game off at anything other than 10.00 am was a big mistake.

swiwi_ · 12-01-2021 7:55pm

Burkie1203 · 12-01-2021 8:28pm

Tim Robbins wrote: »

The village that has had the highest covid incidence in last few weeks is coincidentally in Mayo. Spoke to someone there and was told there were all sorts of p*ss ups for the match and loads of them caught it.

It's anecdotal evidence but sadly think kicking that game off at anything other than 10.00 am was a big mistake.

Its not the All Irelands fault that people are selfish and thick. 10am start and people still would meet. Sure pubs were open at 6am when Ireland were playing in Japan and South Korea in 2002.

Even if there was no game they still would meet for some reason. A game on TV just happened to be the excuse this time.

swiwi_ · 12-01-2021 9:32pm

It won’t be everyone’s cup of tea but I like Midnight Diner on Netflix. 20 minute slice of life episodes with some humour thrown in.

stephen_n · 12-01-2021 9:41pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

I understand the inclination to blame the opening up of the country, but if you look at somewhere like Finland they have things as open as Ireland did in Dec and did not see the same spike. According to Holohan you had people reporting 30 close contacts when being traced - I don't have that on a normal trip home at Christmas! Between this and refusing to accept any responsibility for the 09 crash, I feel like Irish people are not always big on personal responsibility and are a lot more fond of blaming govt for everything. The govt absolutely could have done better but under no interpretation of their guidance could you interpret having 30 close contacts as ok.

I don't have much time for the zero covid people tbh. Having zero covid requires exactly that - zero. NZ and Aus have had to have reasonably serious lockdowns when they have had a few cases. We are simply not in a position to ever have zero cases with the NI border and the means of goods traffic between us and the UK.

If the cases drop off sharply in the next week. It will be clear that the main difference between us and Finland would be the way we celebrate Christmas here.
People choosing to congregate indoors for longer periods of time. Bigger families and extended families.

Bazzo · 12-01-2021 9:50pm

stephen_n wrote: »

If the cases drop off sharply in the next week. It will be clear that the main difference between us and Finland would be the way we celebrate Christmas here.
People choosing to congregate indoors for longer periods of time. Bigger families and extended families.

The Scandinavians might enjoy some slight social advantages over us. I mean, I remember pictures doing the rounds years ago that this is how Finns wait for the bus:

Podge_irl · 12-01-2021 11:11pm

stephen_n wrote: »

If the cases drop off sharply in the next week. It will be clear that the main difference between us and Finland would be the way we celebrate Christmas here.
People choosing to congregate indoors for longer periods of time. Bigger families and extended families.

Oh for sure, I expect that is a large part of it.

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 8:51am

Whatever else about what sort of paper they may be, that's some front page from the Irish Examiner.

sydthebeat · 13-01-2021 8:52am

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Whatever else about what sort of paper they may be, that's some front page from the Irish Examiner.

Pic??

13-01-2021 8:53am

sydthebeat wrote: »

Pic??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkBNBjXEAE1Xcs?format=jpg&name=large

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 8:55am

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1349242273637101569/photo/1

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 8:57am

1994 is that last one. I was in sixth form. Mental.

sydthebeat · 13-01-2021 8:59am

Jesus that's a hard hitting page

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 9:14am

Modern Ireland is a remarkably liberal, modern, progressive nation. Enviably so.

But I think folk in their twenties and thirties tend to act like repression, poverty and Catholic conservatism was a lot further in the past than it actually was.

Had I got married as soon as I was allowed, and lived down South, I would not, then, have been able to get a divorce - it was prohibited in the Constitution. I'm not yet forty five.

Zzippy · 13-01-2021 9:42am

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Modern Ireland is a remarkably liberal, modern, progressive nation. Enviably so.

But I think folk in their twenties and thirties tend to act like repression, poverty and Catholic conservatism was a lot further in the past than it actually was.

Had I got married as soon as I was allowed, and lived down South, I would not, then, have been able to get a divorce - it was prohibited in the Constitution. I'm not yet forty five.

You'd have to find a woman to put up with you Paul. Or these days, even a man. You could even divorce him if it didn't work out...

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 10:21am

Zzippy wrote: »

You'd have to find a woman to put up with you Paul. Or these days, even a man. You could even divorce him if it didn't work out...

Hey! There's veritable queues of Irish womanhood (and indeed, manhood) lining up for the chance to encounter my raw sexual magnetism first-hand. I have been described, by trained medical personnel, as a "nuclear explosion of horny".

molloyjh · 13-01-2021 11:05am

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Hey! There's veritable queues of Irish womanhood (and indeed, manhood) lining up for the chance to encounter my raw sexual magnetism first-hand. I have been described, by trained medical personnel, as a "nuclear explosion of horny".

I was just waiting for "goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus" there. Missed opportunity Paul. Although the above did produce a chuckle....

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 11:17am

molloyjh wrote: »

I was just waiting for "goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus" there. Missed opportunity Paul. Although the above did produce a chuckle....

GET TO DA CHOPPAH!!

OldRio · 13-01-2021 11:28am

Ashlyn Delightful Voter wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkBNBjXEAE1Xcs?format=jpg&name=large

As one gets older and looks back at the past I realise the utter power the Catholic Church had over us. Indoctrination began whilst we were still in the womb. From birth to death. Evil manipulation.
It was like Communist China, Stalinist Russia and Nazism all rolled into one. 'The Holy Catholic Church'
Evil. Pure evil.

'Tell me your sins' 'original sin'

mfceiling · 13-01-2021 12:01pm

OldRio wrote: »

As one gets older and looks back at the past I realise the utter power the Catholic Church had over us. Indoctrination began whilst we were still in the womb. From birth to death. Evil manipulation.
It was like Communist China, Stalinist Russia and Nazism all rolled into one. 'The Holy Catholic Church'
Evil. Pure evil.

'Tell me your sins' 'original sin'

And to some that power remains. The wife's mother is a devout Christian and Catholic. Before Christmas she was on to my wife about getting her ticket for mass at Christmas. My wife explained to her that she never goes to mass and for her to take a ticket would be depriving a true follower their place. She wasn't happy with her decision and I'd say behind it all I was getting some of the blame due to my complete and utter non beliefs in any organised religion.

On a brighter note I got to see a specialist this morning about my dodgy knee and surgery will more than likely take place before the end of the month!!

Squidgy Black · 13-01-2021 12:12pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Modern Ireland is a remarkably liberal, modern, progressive nation. Enviably so.

But I think folk in their twenties and thirties tend to act like repression, poverty and Catholic conservatism was a lot further in the past than it actually was.

Had I got married as soon as I was allowed, and lived down South, I would not, then, have been able to get a divorce - it was prohibited in the Constitution. I'm not yet forty five.

Not gonna lie Paul, all I got from that is "I'm old".

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 12:37pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Not gonna lie Paul, all I got from that is "I'm old".

And you're not too old to go over my knee, young man.

Buer · 13-01-2021 1:15pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Modern Ireland is a remarkably liberal, modern, progressive nation. Enviably so.

But I think folk in their twenties and thirties tend to act like repression, poverty and Catholic conservatism was a lot further in the past than it actually was.

Whilst in chronological terms it's certainly not that long ago, the era of when the church had such a hold understandably seems like a completely different age to some. It's unrecognisable from the society we now live in and it's very hard for people to grasp how close they were to living in it.

From a visual perspective, if you look back at Reeling in the Years on RTE, there's an incredible change that took place in about 5-7 years. If I was to look at footage from 2012 on television now, I could look at it and it really wouldn't seem very different from today. If you look at footage from 1992 and from 2000, however....it looks like a completely different era.

Here's the episode from 1992 Watch the opening 2 minutes and you could honestly believe it's from the 1970s judging by the quality of footage, fashion etc. The fact that those opening 2 minutes also demonstrate the grasp of the church (interviewing a bishop about unemployment and the infamous X Case) goes hand in hand with that.

The world became a vastly smaller place in the late 90s through technology and the advent of the Celtic Tiger changed the behaviour and mentality of us as a population forerver. It's hard for younger people to identify with the world that was in any respect prior to those times.

Paul Smeenus · 13-01-2021 1:45pm

Buer wrote: »

Whilst in chronological terms it's certainly not that long ago, the era of when the church had such a hold understandably seems like a completely different age to some. It's unrecognisable from the society we now live in and it's very hard for people to grasp how close they were to living in it.

From a visual perspective, if you look back at Reeling in the Years on RTE, there's an incredible change that took place in about 5-7 years. If I was to look at footage from 2012 on television now, I could look at it and it really wouldn't seem very different from today. If you look at footage from 1992 and from 2000, however....it looks like a completely different era.

Here's the episode from 1992 Watch the opening 2 minutes and you could honestly believe it's from the 1970s judging by the quality of footage, fashion etc. The fact that those opening 2 minutes also demonstrate the grasp of the church (interviewing a bishop about unemployment and the infamous X Case) goes hand in hand with that.

The world became a vastly smaller place in the late 90s through technology and the advent of the Celtic Tiger changed the behaviour and mentality of us as a population forerver. It's hard for younger people to identify with the world that was in any respect prior to those times.

Indeed. Night and day.

Although I'd be wary of saying "forever" and the kind of assumption that there's no going back.

What's happening in America at the minute, for me, does a good job of illustrating the arguments of the likes of John Gray; that we imagine or presume that we are moving along some kind of continuum towards a liberal, humanistic democracy as an endpoint, but society will swing back at times. It's not a given that we will always march in the same direction.

13-01-2021 2:56pm

Buer wrote: »

Whilst in chronological terms it's certainly not that long ago, the era of when the church had such a hold understandably seems like a completely different age to some. It's unrecognisable from the society we now live in and it's very hard for people to grasp how close they were to living in it.

From a visual perspective, if you look back at Reeling in the Years on RTE, there's an incredible change that took place in about 5-7 years. If I was to look at footage from 2012 on television now, I could look at it and it really wouldn't seem very different from today. If you look at footage from 1992 and from 2000, however....it looks like a completely different era.

Here's the episode from 1992 Watch the opening 2 minutes and you could honestly believe it's from the 1970s judging by the quality of footage, fashion etc. The fact that those opening 2 minutes also demonstrate the grasp of the church (interviewing a bishop about unemployment and the infamous X Case) goes hand in hand with that.

The world became a vastly smaller place in the late 90s through technology and the advent of the Celtic Tiger changed the behaviour and mentality of us as a population forerver. It's hard for younger people to identify with the world that was in any respect prior to those times.

It's astonishing how much Ireland has changed in such a short period of time and I think it's cultural impact is fascinating in many ways. I think you are right in that the current generation missed out on a huge transition in how we live, think, eat and interact but I'm glad my kids will grow up in a secular and more accepting world.

I agree that things really took off in the 90s. I would say that joining the EU was probably the catalyst for it all but it was a remarkable shift in public life and impacted all aspects of society.

As for the church, it's amazing that 1/3 of the population showed up for the Pope's visit in 1979 (1.25 million) and only 150,000 attended the 2018 visit. I think the child sex scandals robbed the church of it's authority both moral and otherwise and most people I know completely dismiss the church now bar the occasional ceremonial aspects of weddings etc.

The last visit very much focussed on the sins of the church with Pope Francis seeking forgiveness but it's quite telling that Varadkar basically responded with 'actions speak louder than words'. It for me highlights the general sentiment people have for the church in Ireland now.

13-01-2021 2:59pm

On a separate note it looks like republicans might actually turn on trump bar those in the party most exposed by their actions the last few months and those who fully embraced him.

Loosing twitter has really neutered him, you still hear about him but very little from him. Speaks volumes of the power twitter wields.

Lost Ormond · 13-01-2021 3:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

On a separate note it looks like republicans might actually turn on trump bar those in the party most exposed by their actions the last few months and those who fully embraced him.

Loosing twitter has really neutered him, you still hear about him but very little from him. Speaks volumes of the power twitter wield.

Shows why Twitter didnt want to remove him while he was president. The party is turning from him as theyve realised what harm he was doing to them long term.

errlloyd · 13-01-2021 3:02pm

Dems shouldn't impeach him. He's gonna be a massive problem for the Republican party for the next 4 years. Let them deal with it.

irishbucsfan · 13-01-2021 3:05pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Dems shouldn't impeach him. He's gonna be a massive problem for the Republican party for the next 4 years. Let them deal with it.

I hope they impeach him and it destroys his fundraising ability. He is stealing the money of these poor fools

13-01-2021 6:34pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I hope they impeach him and it destroys his fundraising ability. He is stealing the money of these poor fools

Mitch McConnell is now saying he would vote to impeach so it could well happen as he is the de-facto leader of the Republican party. This is a decision that will be made exclusively for selfish political reasons so I wonder if there is something else about to come out. Polling suggests that republican voters don't have a huge issue with the riots and Trump is still absurdly popular among rank and file GOP supporters so there are risks outing him in this fashion.

The entertainment value of American politics is something else, but it's also awful to see politics devolve into nonsense reality tv.

Podge_irl · 13-01-2021 6:37pm

I am feeling significantly dumber for having watched this so far.

I genuinely thought I would be inured to this level of brazen hypocrisy, but it turns out I am not.

13-01-2021 6:46pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

I am feeling significantly dumber for having watched this so far.

I genuinely thought I would be inured to this level of brazen hypocrisy, but it turns out I am not.

Their two party system is disgraceful

Podge_irl · 13-01-2021 6:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Their two party system is disgraceful

The UK is looking like it is heading in a similar direction. The "two party system" is not an inherent constitutional structure obviously but something that has come out, at least somewhat, naturally. We are seeing something slightly similar develop in the UK with the vote share for Lab and Con going up and squeezing the normal third party almost out of existence. And then a basically segregationist govt in Scotland.

It happens when its more important to get a seat at your own table then actually work at the general election.

Podge_irl · 13-01-2021 7:30pm

Rep Greene, the QAnon representative, just gave her speech on the floor of the House of Representatives, broadcast live on CNN, while wearing a facemask saying "censored".

Not sure it gets more hypocritical than that.

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