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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #4442
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I did not say anything of the sorts, you made that assumption from what i wrote but your assumption was totally wrong. Why don't you quote me if I said that? Of course you cant becasue I did not.


    You also said that most people going into ICU are in there 50s and 60s where as according to RTE news tonight who get their figures from HPSC that is verifiably not true.


    Unfortunately it seems that some people who work within the HSE are not capable of simple sentence comprehension without misrepresentation.. They are also incapable of backing up their own unsubstantiated assertions with verifiable facts. Very Trumpian.

    More than 50% of those admitted to icu in the past 14 days are under 65. Over 80% are under 75
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_Webite%20report_20210111_v1.pdf


  • #4443
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    More than 50% of those admitted to icu in the past 14 days are under 65. Over 80% are under 75
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_Webite%20report_20210111_v1.pdf

    30% 65 to 75 is a lot


  • #4444
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s better than nothing but still a weak effort. It takes a while until the infection can be detected by a test, so in total there are several days here where that testing is useless. Getting infected after the test and before flying being ignored.

    We need two week quarantine for all that fly in. We will only have to do it for a few months now till the vaccine has an impact.

    ECDC do not recommend such an approach when the virus is as active within the community. And indeed the issues with the North are well known. On arrival negative test is a risk analysis tool. Agree it should have been done a long time ago but we were a half way house on this.


  • #4445
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Cases shot up because of social contacts and, to some extent, the new variant. Cases are falling because of the severe restrictions. I'm afraid the new variant cannot take any credit for quick fall in numbers we've seen over the last week and I'm actually worried the increased prevalence of the new variant will slow our downard progress. hope it doesn't!

    Your man Ryan from the WHO said it was not due to the new variant.


  • #4446
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s better than nothing but still a weak effort. It takes a while until the infection can be detected by a test, so in total there are several days here where that testing is useless. Getting infected after the test and before flying being ignored.

    We need two week quarantine for all that fly in. We will only have to do it for a few months now till the vaccine has an impact.

    I wonder if anyone will be checking if arrivals have the test results with them, and what happens if they don't?

    Still, I think it will reduce passenger numbers. But while I wouldn't have any objections to a two-week quarantine, I'm not sure if it would be effective, because people could still just fly to Belfast and drive down from there.


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  • #4447
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Eivor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1349013375020388353?s=20

    Probably posted already but the feckers have some neck. None of them have to abide by restrictions. Just us plebs

    Absolutely disgusting.


  • #4448
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    More than 50% of those admitted to icu in the past 14 days are under 65. Over 80% are under 75
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_Webite%20report_20210111_v1.pdf


    76.1 over 55
    89.1 over 45
    approx 10% under 45


  • #4449
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Polar101 wrote: »
    I wonder if anyone will be checking if arrivals have the test results with them, and what happens if they don't?

    Still, I think it will reduce passenger numbers. But while I wouldn't have any objections to a two-week quarantine, I'm not sure if it would be effective, because people could still just fly to Belfast and drive down from there.

    I'd imagine that you have to present a clear test in order for the airline to allow you on the flight in the first place. No other way to police it really.


  • #4450
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    76.1 over 55
    89.1 over 45
    approx 10% under 45

    I've read this bouncing over and back all evening. What's the point being made?


  • #4451
    Slinky94
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭Slinky94


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Better late than never. I can't understand why this wasn't done before now. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1349073203298267139?s=19

    If I have the two doses of the vaccine received already do I still need to have the test before if fly/arrive?


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  • #4452
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    JP100 wrote: »
    ASIAM the autism charity along with Down Syndrome Ireland and Inclusion Ireland are calling for special schools and classes to be open. All the while they themselves have stopped all of their own in person provision and services for special needs children and their families. What a huge double standard there and something that should be pointed out to ASIAM CEO Adam Harris in his regular media outings.

    As someone with a non-verbal autistic brother, I can only imagine how terrible it would be if he got a bad dose of covid, and didn't understand what was happening to him and didn't have his family their to help him. I also don't understand what they think will happen to autistic people if they lose their primary caregiver(s) and have no one to advocate for them given the deplorable state of services in this country.


  • #4453
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I've read this bouncing over and back all evening. What's the point being made?

    Well what I am taking from these posts is that is blowing out of the water the assumption that it only affects people who are 85 year old plus.


  • #4454
    [Deleted User]
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I've read this bouncing over and back all evening. What's the point being made?

    Anyone over 45 is about to die anyway and should be thankful they made it this far?

    Anyone underplaying the impact of this virus on the under 65’s should have a look at the age profile of the surge in cases from mid December to now. 19 to 44 year olds drove the spread, older groups followed, and now we are seeing the consequences. This is not seeking to blame, it’s to acknowledge that even though the individual impacts on the young are mild, the knock on impacts to the older groups are massive.


  • #4455
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Better late than never. I can't understand why this wasn't done before now. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1349073203298267139?s=19




    Possibly because it might encourage people to fly and give them a mistaken sense of security about it.


  • #4456
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    As someone with a non-verbal autistic brother, I can only imagine how terrible it would be if he got a bad dose of covid, and didn't understand what was happening to him and didn't have his family their to help him. I also don't understand what they think will happen to autistic people if they lose their primary caregiver(s) and have no one to advocate for them given the deplorable state of services in this country.

    For some families the risks associated with losing services are greater than the risks associated with covid.


  • #4457
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    The numbers of cases today are lower.

    I wonder how much that has to do with the fact that close contacts are not automatically getting tested now from what I understand. Even with symptoms.


    I wonder how much higher the official number would be if they were testing the same categories of people they were testing when the numbers were more manageable. It could be contributing to a snowball effect


  • #4458
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I've read this bouncing over and back all evening. What's the point being made?


    I think it is about the interpreting of numbers. We can use numbers to make a point but sometimes those numbers chosen are chosen to push an agenda. One poster made and unsubstantiated post about admissions to ICU which proved to have no basis in fact and this series of post spun out of that.


  • #4459
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Slinky94 wrote: »
    If I have the two doses of the vaccine received already do I still need to have the test before if fly/arrive?
    Yes. Proof of vaccination doesn't mean you're not infected.


  • #4460
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Two deaths in a nursing home in Wexford that has not had one case so far


  • #4461
    stretchaq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭stretchaq


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Two deaths in a nursing home in Wexford that has not had one case so far


    Which one in Wexford or in what area


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  • #4462
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    As someone with a non-verbal autistic brother, I can only imagine how terrible it would be if he got a bad dose of covid, and didn't understand what was happening to him and didn't have his family their to help him. I also don't understand what they think will happen to autistic people if they lose their primary caregiver(s) and have no one to advocate for them given the deplorable state of services in this country.

    Deplorable state of services is only the thin end of the wedge, a massive number of people who should be providing diagnosis and related support services to young (under 6) Autism cases have been redeployed to do things like contact tracing for Covid, with the result that there's a massive backlog of cases that really should not be being ignored, as the early years are critical to trying to develop basic learning skills for this group. It was meant to be a short term thing, but we all know how that has turned out.

    It's going to take a long time to get things back to normal, whatever that is these days, and the real tragedy is that the window of opportunity to get some children off to a good start wil have been missed, and there's no way to wind the clock back, they will suffer as a result for the rest of their time in education.

    It's not as high profile as things like cancer, so not getting the publicity, but for the indivuduals affected, it's every bit as damaging as a delayed cancer diagnosis, and will affect their entire lives.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #4463
    Slinky94
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭Slinky94


    seamus wrote: »
    Yes. Proof of vaccination doesn't mean you're not infected.

    I asked this in another thread too but do you need a piece of paper saying it's negative or just the result of the test on your phone?

    And is the 72 hours from the time of departure or when you arrive in the destination airport?


  • #4464
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    The numbers of cases today are lower.

    I wonder how much that has to do with the fact that close contacts are not automatically getting tested now from what I understand. Even with symptoms.


    I wonder how much higher the official number would be if they were testing the same categories of people they were testing when the numbers were more manageable. It could be contributing to a snowball effect

    Testing criteria is unchanged for approaching two weeks now as far as I know


  • #4465
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Is testing of close contacts happening again?
    My wife was tested on Saturday, informed she was positive on Sunday, but the 4 of us who are close contacts are not getting tests unless we show symptoms (none of us have to date). Would imagine that has not changed over the past 48 hours.


  • #4466
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Beasty wrote: »
    My wife was tested on Saturday, informed she was positive on Sunday, but the 4 of us who are close contacts are not getting tests unless we show symptoms (none of us have to date). Would imagine that has not changed over the past 48 hours.

    Fingers, toes and anything else that can be is crossed for you, hope you all come out the other side without problems.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #4467
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    30% 65 to 75 is a lot

    Illustrating that they are a very high risk age group that would still be able to deal relatively well with the stress of ventilation.


  • #4468
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Testing criteria is unchanged for approaching two weeks now as far as I know

    With positive swabs now below 3000 and 3 close contacts per case, they should soon have capacity to restart close contact testing. I'm sure they will mention it when it restarts.


  • #4469
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    With positive swabs now below 3000 and 3 close contacts per case, they should soon have capacity to restart close contact testing. I'm sure they will mention it when it restarts.

    Ya, I'd imagine when it gets sub 2k cases over a few days, they'll start testing close contacts again


  • #4470
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    With positive swabs now below 3000 and 3 close contacts per case, they should soon have capacity to restart close contact testing. I'm sure they will mention it when it restarts.

    It's been mentioned that they are standing mass testing in high risk environments back up this week (it had been suspended due to the surge).

    Presumably that will eat up a chunk of the spare capacity and we can look at a resumption of testing for close contacts after that.

    Perhaps they could create a new category (very close contacts) and test these rather than all contacts as an interim step.


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  • #4471
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    stretchaq wrote: »
    Which one in Wexford or in what area

    Houghtom Hospital in New Ross


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