Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 04:53PM

briany wrote: »

I have to wonder the press treatment and Trump's response if it had been he who'd committed the illegal acts comprising the Watergate scandal.

Nixons activities were just an average Wednesday afternoon in the Trump admin.

The stuff Nixon did is positively quaint compared to the utter lawless kip that Trump has turned the office of President into.

swampgas · 12-01-2021 04:58PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The problem he now faces is that if he accepts a Pardon (or pardons himself) covering the incident on the 6th or a blanket pardon covering his time in Office, that is an admission of guilt.

If he admits guilt, then people will go to town on him via Civil Suits , he can't claim innocence , it just becomes a matter of how much it costs him.

Anyone injured on the day can sue him for inciting the riot that caused their injury (or death in the case of the Police Officer).

I'm sure even some people not injured could sue him for putting them at risk etc. etc.

He is well and truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Speculating, at this point I can see only 2 options:

Go all out to complete the coup and install himself as de facto dictator
Escape from the US to a safe haven

He can try the first and fall back on the second if he has an escape route planned out. I would also suspect that he has managed to transfer as much cash as possible to where it cannot be seized by the authorities.

He is too old to risk prison - he's got to go all in now.

Leroy42 · 12-01-2021 04:59PM

And the thing that must be really driving him mad, is that like the election loss itself, this is all on him.

Had he simply accepted the loss, acted with some degree of pride, he would have walked away from the WH, richer, pardon in hand, and 74m willing to pay into whatever get rich scheme he dreamt up. He basically had a licence to print money. Even if he had to stay out of the limelight somewhat, the path was set for the likes of Ivanka or Don Jr to push ahead.

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

duploelabs · 12-01-2021 05:01PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And the thing that must be really driving him mad, is that like the election loss itself, this is all on him.

Had he simply accepted the loss, acted with some degree of pride, he would have walked away from the WH, richer, pardon in hand, and 74m willing to pay into whatever get rich scheme he dreamt up. He basically had a licence to print money. Even if he had to stay out of the limelight somewhat, the path was set for the likes of Ivanka or Don Jr to push ahead.

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

Well he did blow all his daddy's money

The Nal · 12-01-2021 05:03PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Nixons activities were just an average Wednesday afternoon in the Trump admin.

The stuff Nixon did is positively quaint compared to the utter lawless kip that Trump has turned the office of President into.

Well Nixon did commit treason before he even got into office. Told the South Vietnamese to reject the peace deal because they'd get a better deal when he got in. Many US soldiers died as a result. There were about 300 dying a week at that point.

everlast75 · 12-01-2021 05:04PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And the thing that must be really driving him mad, is that like the election loss itself, this is all on him.

Had he simply accepted the loss, acted with some degree of pride, he would have walked away from the WH, richer, pardon in hand, and 74m willing to pay into whatever get rich scheme he dreamt up. He basically had a licence to print money. Even if he had to stay out of the limelight somewhat, the path was set for the likes of Ivanka or Don Jr to push ahead.

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

Narcissists always self destruct

duploelabs · 12-01-2021 05:06PM

The Nal wrote: »

Well Nixon did commit treason before he even got into office. Told the South Vietnamese to reject the peace deal because they'd get a better deal when he got in. Many US soldiers died as a result. There were about 300 dying a week at that point.

Virtually the same amount die every hour by trump's inept handling of the coronavirus

briany · 12-01-2021 05:08PM

swampgas wrote: »

Speculating, at this point I can see only 2 options:
Go all out to complete the coup and install himself as de facto dictator

Escape from the US to a safe haven

He can try the first and fall back on the second if he has an escape route planned out. I would also suspect that he has managed to transfer as much cash as possible to where it cannot be seized by the authorities.

He is too old to risk prison - he's got to go all in now.

He hasn't the resources to complete a coup. The military won't back him.

If I were Trump I'd go straight for the safe haven idea. Obviously, I'd want to see him brought to justice, but if I were Trump...

Kaybaykwah · 12-01-2021 05:09PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Another bites the dust..

https://twitter.com/Gothamist/status/1349015253741408263?s=19

That guy is in that Jayden X video throughout, and he is especially violent and confrontational, he seems to be on speed, or just plain mentally challenged.

is_that_so · 12-01-2021 05:09PM

Cruz and Hawley could end up on no fly lists according to this!

House Homeland Security Committee Chair Rep. Bennie Thompson has said Senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Josh Hawley (R-MO) could be put on the no-fly list if they're found liable for inciting the riot at the Capitol that left five people dead.

https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-josh-hawley-no-fly-list-house-homeland-security-chair-1560748

listermint · 12-01-2021 05:10PM

British Golf Open now following the PGA, no competitions at trump properties.

seamus · 12-01-2021 05:11PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Instead, he fecked it all in a failed attempt to overturn the result. Yet again Trump makes a bad decision. It is actually quite staggering to me that he made it as far in life as he did since nearly every decision he makes ends up a disaster.

It was a few months ago I first saw an analysis on Twitter about how when Trump is presented with options, he always picks the bad one. Without fail. The only time he ever does the right thing is when he has not other choice.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's quite incredible.

If you ever think to yourself, "Trump will do the smart thing here now, he has to", but there is another option on the table - he will take that option.

PropJoe10 · 12-01-2021 05:14PM

This man is absolutely deluded.

Overheal · 12-01-2021 05:15PM

seamus wrote: »

It was a few months ago I first saw an analysis on Twitter about how when Trump is presented with options, he always picks the bad one. Without fail. The only time he ever does the right thing is when he has not other choice.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's quite incredible.

If you ever think to yourself, "Trump will do the smart thing here now, he has to", but there is another option on the table - he will take that option.

... he’s going to pardon himself.

The Inbetween is mine · 12-01-2021 05:16PM

everlast75 wrote: »

State and federal.

If he wants to avoid the latter, he needs a pardon.

If he needs a pardon, it is safer that Pence give it to him as self pardons are not clear.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1349017619890905090?s=20

*this just in - the bloke that was impeached for a call that he said was perfect, thinks that the speech he gave which caused a riot was "appropriate"

I'm saying it now - the more Trump doubles down on this kind of speak, the more pressure McConnell will be under to neuter him. The closer it gets to the 20th, the more pressure McConnell will be under to do something lest there be a repeat of the 6th and the reps will have been seen to do nothing.

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1349017587368263680?s=20

I expect a Nixon-esque ending to this.

I expect bloodshed tbh

The Nal · 12-01-2021 05:17PM

Overheal wrote: »

... he’s going to pardon himself.

He may not be able to

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1349001087928344577

The Nal · 12-01-2021 05:18PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Virtually the same amount die every hour by trump's inept handling of the coronavirus

Being inept isn't treasonous though.

Overheal · 12-01-2021 05:22PM

The Nal wrote: »

He may not be able to

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1349001087928344577

Wouldn’t stop him from trying though

Gunmonkey · 12-01-2021 05:24PM

The Nal wrote: »

He may not be able to

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1349001087928344577

Thats last part, about Trump throwing a hissy and not pardoning anyone else if he cant have one, must be making a lot of his cohort sweating, his family included. I bet a few of them were banking on a full pardon to wash away any fallout from their actions.

Penn · 12-01-2021 05:25PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

This man is absolutely deluded.

Well that puts rest to the GOPers "He's learned his lesson from this" argument for not impeaching.

Penn · 12-01-2021 05:25PM

The Nal wrote: »

He may not be able to

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1349001087928344577

He can, its just a really really bad decision for him.

So he probably will.

jill_valentine · 12-01-2021 05:27PM

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1349020186427457537

The town of Alamo has not been officially contacted about the president coming for dinner.

12-01-2021 05:28PM

seamus wrote: »

It was a few months ago I first saw an analysis on Twitter about how when Trump is presented with options, he always picks the bad one. Without fail. The only time he ever does the right thing is when he has not other choice.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's quite incredible.

If you ever think to yourself, "Trump will do the smart thing here now, he has to", but there is another option on the table - he will take that option.

Internally a mess, he seems to have stayed out of a more wars than many recent presidents. John Bolton left the administration is disgust, and this is despite the fact that Trump was playing the bully boy with Iran. Presumably Bolton wanted a war.

threeball · 12-01-2021 05:29PM

The Nal wrote: »

He may not be able to

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1349001087928344577

Thats gas. He's taking his ball and going home

:D:D

threeball · 12-01-2021 05:31PM

Putin has to be rolling around in fits of laughter. He could not have seen his puppet being this effective.

partyguinness · 12-01-2021 05:32PM

The US really needs to take a good long look at the whole 'Pardon' system. I mean else does that? Dictators and Kings?

Agent Coulson · 12-01-2021 05:34PM

partyguinness wrote: »

The US really needs to take a good long look at the whole 'Pardon' system. I mean else does that? Dictators and Kings?

Ireland.

The right of pardon and the power to commute or remit punishment imposed by any court exercising criminal jurisdiction are hereby vested in the President, but such power of commutation or remission may also be conferred by law on other authorities.

The power of clemency is nominally exercised by the president. However, the President of Ireland must act "on the advice" of the Government (cabinet), so in practice the clemency decisions are made by the government of the day and the president has no discretion in the matter. The responsibility can also be delegated to people or bodies other than the president.

Amnesty and immunity, on the other hand, are usually dealt with by an Act of the Oireachtas rather than by a general form of pardon or a slate of individual pardons.

briany · 12-01-2021 05:35PM

partyguinness wrote: »

The US really needs to take a good long look at the whole 'Pardon' system. I mean else does that? Dictators and Kings?

I don't think anyone ever seriously foresaw the system being potentially abused the way Trump could do.

12-01-2021 05:36PM

threeball wrote: »

Putin has to be rolling around in fits of laughter. He could not have seen his puppet being this effective.

Except that's an equally crazy conspiracy theory like the Republican lie about this election.

But Putin is probably falling about laughing, as is Xi. The US is clearly doomed.

Foxtrol · 12-01-2021 05:37PM

seamus wrote: »

It was a few months ago I first saw an analysis on Twitter about how when Trump is presented with options, he always picks the bad one. Without fail. The only time he ever does the right thing is when he has not other choice.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's quite incredible.

If you ever think to yourself, "Trump will do the smart thing here now, he has to", but there is another option on the table - he will take that option.

This is so true and yet to this very day there are people who legitimately think he some kind of genius ('4D chess master') just because of stupidity by others or pure dumb luck things now and again work out for him.

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