Let's all talk about Lewis?

Zookey123 · 21-12-2020 03:20PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah I know the reasons I don’t like him, he’s just not a likeable guy. Speaks in cliches, not very relatable, doesn’t appear to be very genuine in his over-effusive praise of fans. Not someone I would support in general.

That's your personal opinion. Many people like him for his personality. What I'm speaking about is his professional accomplishments beings questioned because of it. He is the most successful F1 driver of all time and he did it without daddies billions. He deserves all the accolades given. People on here getting salty just because he isn't part of the "elite class".

El_Duderino 09 · 21-12-2020 03:30PM

Zookey123 wrote: »

That's your personal opinion. Many people like him for his personality. What I'm speaking about is his professional accomplishments beings questioned because of it. He is the most successful F1 driver of all time and he did it without daddies billions. He deserves all the accolades given. People on here getting salty just because he isn't part of the "elite class".

Of course it’s my personal opinion. I said that in the post you quoted “I know the reasons I don’t like him”...

I don’t question his professional achievements. I think he’s a top driver and is legitimately a 7time world champion, most wins, most pole positions.

I just think he’s a nob.

Gaoth Laidir · 21-12-2020 03:44PM

Zookey123 wrote: »

I don't get why everyone is so salty about Lewis on this thread. Lets not forget all his accomplishments in the sport. Second in his rookie season outscoring former 2 time world champion Alonso (most people here would be on their knees if Russel did that), has a race win in every season in f1 (what other driver has achieved that?), 7 world titles, consistently dominates his team mate in both race and quali, beat Seb in a slower car in 2018, all his achievements in karting F3 and GP2 winner. People say its all about the car. Well he has to share that and throughout his career he has had some tough team mates (Alonso, Button, Rosberg all world champions) name another driver who has had a tougher team mate line up. Yet it is he who has won the seven titles and only been outscored by a team mate twice (both occasions barely). There is only one reason people don't give him the props he deserves (we all know).

Absolutely no problem acknowledging his achievements, albeit in a very different era (easier to drive cars faster now, in other words), but the clue is in the name: Sports Personality. If they want to award someone for their sporting achievements then call it that and don't bring personality into it. Sports Person would fit better.

For me, he's got the least likeable personality of anyone (after Alonso). I suppose he got it this year because of his off-track crusades, but of course we're not allowed to mention that here. If you're talking about personality then Norris would tip in my opinion.

Zookey123 · 21-12-2020 03:55PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Of course it’s my personal opinion. I said that in the post you quoted “I know the reasons I don’t like him”...

I don’t question his professional achievements. I think he’s a top driver and is legitimately a 7time world champion, most wins, most pole positions.

I just think he’s a nob.

Well then the post wasn't directed at you since you are giving him "the props he deserves". You have your opinion and millions of people have a different one, but at the end of the day LH is going down in history as one of the greatest of all time and that's not an opinion but a fact.

Zaph · 21-12-2020 04:03PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Absolutely no problem acknowledging his achievements, albeit in a very different era (easier to drive cars faster now, in other words), but the clue is in the name: Sports Personality. If they want to award someone for their sporting achievements then call it that and don't bring personality into it. Sports Person would fit better.

For me, he's got the least likeable personality of anyone (after Alonso). I suppose he got it this year because of his off-track crusades, but of course we're not allowed to mention that here. If you're talking about personality then Norris would tip in my opinion.

It's quite clearly using the word personality as per definition number 2 below. I agree that Hamilton is clearly lacking in personality as per the first definition, but there's no disputing that he's a celebrity/famous person. As for the award, given the season he's had on the track and the records he's set, who else could they have given it to? None of the other nominees came even close to his achievements, and that's speaking as someone who's not a Lewis fan but I can appreciate how good he is.

personality
/pəːsəˈnalɪti/
noun: personality; plural noun: personalities

1. the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.
"she had a sunny personality that was very engaging"

2. a celebrity or famous person.
"an official opening by a famous personality"

Zookey123 · 21-12-2020 04:07PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Absolutely no problem acknowledging his achievements, albeit in a very different era (easier to drive cars faster now, in other words), but the clue is in the name: Sports Personality. If they want to award someone for their sporting achievements then call it that and don't bring personality into it. Sports Person would fit better.

For me, he's got the least likeable personality of anyone (after Alonso). I suppose he got it this year because of his off-track crusades, but of course we're not allowed to mention that here. If you're talking about personality then Norris would tip in my opinion.

But that just comes down to personal preference. There are people who do like his personality hence why he won. It also has to do with sporting achievements as you said and I can't think of anyone who achieved more this year. On your point about past cars. I'm sure they were more difficult to drive (definitely more dangerous) but everyone is in the same boat. Its not like only LH is driving in modern cars and everyone else is in a1980s Williams. He can only compete with what's in front of him and it's still far from easy. No one could know how he would compare with prost/senna/mansel etc so no real point trying to compare.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 21-12-2020 04:14PM

Ye should respect British sovereignty in choosing their SPOTY!

Hamilton has just had a record breaking/equaling year in a major international sport. Seems like a pretty legitimate winner to me. Move on lads

H8GHOTI · 21-12-2020 04:18PM

Zaph wrote: »

It's quite clearly using the word personality as per definition number 2 below...

Can’t believe that actually had to be pointed out.

Faugheen · 25-12-2020 04:35PM

I see the whingers out-did themselves again with the definition of the word ‘personality’.

The straw-clutching and the tears are glorious to watch.

flazio · 25-12-2020 07:04PM

Faugheen wrote: »

I see the whingers out-did themselves again with the definition of the word ‘personality’.

The straw-clutching and the tears are glorious to watch.

And a happy Christmas to you too.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-12-2020 08:28PM

flazio wrote: »

And a happy Christmas to you too.

I mean, the ones who say Hamilton isn’t an excellent driver have absolutely nothing to go on this year except blind hatred. He did all that was asked of him and won the championship with a great margin for comfort, setting records along the way. Hard to make a case against him.

Gaoth Laidir · 25-12-2020 08:36PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I mean, the ones who say Hamilton isn’t an excellent driver have absolutely nothing to go on this year except blind hatred. He did all that was asked of him and won the championship with a great margin for comfort, setting records along the way. Hard to make a case against him.

Yes, he did that indeed. However, there is a contradiction with some people when it comes to how good Lewis is and how bad Bottas is. Bottas came second, but apparently he's still **** and "anyone could come second in that car". Going on that rationale, then, anyone a little bit better than Bottas could do what Lewis did. They're in the same car, and that car has been top dog for years, so put Max, Leclerc or Russell in it and they would have done the same.

Or is it only one rule for Lewis and another for Bottas?

El_Duderino 09 · 25-12-2020 08:58PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Yes, he did that indeed. However, there is a contradiction with some people when it comes to how good Lewis is and how bad Bottas is. Bottas came second, but apparently he's still **** and "anyone could come second in that car". Going on that rationale, then, anyone a little bit better than Bottas could do what Lewis did. They're in the same car, and that car has been top dog for years, so put Max, Leclerc or Russell in it and they would have done the same.

Or is it only one rule for Lewis and another for Bottas?

I don’t argue that Bottas is bad. I think he’s good. Not top notch, but he’s a strong qualifier and less strong in the race, good overall. Not as good as Hamilton, obviously. The gap becomes clear over the race distant.

ctrl-alt-delete · 30-12-2020 11:41PM

Well Lewis is to be knighted.

All that taking the knee has been good practice.

AMKC · 31-12-2020 12:29AM

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Well Lewis is to be knighted.

All that taking the knee has been good practice.

He has been knighted now has he not?

I doubt it is going to happen person with the Covid Virus and lockdown around so it must have been done virtually.

Charlie-Bravo · 31-12-2020 01:10AM

Does that mean he can now retire? Any news of a contract yet?

Zaph · 31-12-2020 01:29AM

AMKC wrote: »

He has been knighted now has he not?

I doubt it is going to happen person with the Covid Virus and lockdown around so it must have been done virtually.

No, the New Year's honours were only just announced this evening, he hasn't actually received his knighthood yet, and it can often take months before it happens. However I believe convention allows for those due to be knighted to be addressed as "sir" as soon as the announcement is made.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-12-2020 01:31AM

The New Years honours take effect from 1 January. Not sure if they need a ceremony. Probably like a wedding where the ceremony is just theatre and the actual legal procedure happens by the Queen signing it in to effect. I don’t suppose he needs to be present so it will probably happen remotely without and problem.

Hard to argue against it. He’s the most successful f1 driver of all time.

unkel · 31-12-2020 01:36AM

flazio wrote: »

The numbers are in his favour, as they are with Sebastian and Schumacher before them. These days being the best is about so much more than hopping in the car turning the ignition and driving away. It's about negotiating yourself into the best car to hop into in the first place and building a team around that, it's about being a person that people want to get behind and root for, but ultimately it's about putting in the performance when it matters most and Lewis does that. Not 10 times out of 10, probably not even 9 times out of 10. But he does do it.
Like it or lump it negotiating or working up the ranks of the right teams is a valid aspect of being the greatest F1 driver and Vettel did it with Red Bull, Schumacher did it with Benneton and Ferrari and Lewis has done it with McLaren and Mercedes-Benz.

And 2 years after this post, I just liked it and I am the only one to have done so. Astonishing as this post is exactly how it is.

flazio · 31-12-2020 07:46AM

unkel wrote: »

And 2 years after this post, I just liked it and I am the only one to have done so. Astonishing as this post is exactly how it is.

Two years later the only amendment I'd make is that he definitely puts in the performance 9 or 10 times out of 10.

elperello · 31-12-2020 10:16PM

Zaph wrote: »

No, the New Year's honours were only just announced this evening, he hasn't actually received his knighthood yet, and it can often take months before it happens. However I believe convention allows for those due to be knighted to be addressed as "sir" as soon as the announcement is made.

LH will be the first knight of the realm on the grid of a GP.

Jackie Stewart was retired when he got his in 2001.

Gaoth Laidir · 12-01-2021 12:55PM

Any sign of him signing a contract? What's he holding out for? An extra zero? At his own admission, without the team he wouldn't be where he is, so he should really stop stalling and just sign the bloody thing.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-01-2021 01:27PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Any sign of him signing a contract? What's he holding out for? An extra zero? At his own admission, without the team he wouldn't be where he is, so he should really stop stalling and just sign the bloody thing.

That’s what you and I would think. But the reality is that all parties still want the best deal possible. Money and work conditions are about buying food and housing and having a few bob left over to have some fun. But Hamilton already has more money than he could spend so the contract is more about status than the actual amount of money.

What would actually constitute a good deal for Hamilton? 3 years and more money then his last deal? The likely recession and cost cap means he won’t get more than his last deal. So it’s hard to measure what’s a good deal and what isn’t (the money involved is like Disney dollars, it’s just a a token)

I’m certain the deal will come. And like the Brexit deal, it’ll be done at the last minute so both sides know they got the most out of it.

the_pen_turner · 12-01-2021 02:08PM

What are his options if he doesn't sign

Busi_Girl08 · 12-01-2021 02:09PM

When's the deadline for contract negotiations? They're due in Bahrain at the end of March

Zookey123 · 12-01-2021 02:12PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

What are his options if he doesn't sign

All the other teams are signed up so probably a year out, but lets be realistic he will sign its in the best interest for both parties.

the_pen_turner · 12-01-2021 02:14PM

Zookey123 wrote: »

All the other teams are signed up so probably a year out, but lets be realistic he will sign its in the best interest for both parties.

I know he will almost certainly sign but it's not 100 percent

Zookey123 · 12-01-2021 02:18PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I know he will almost certainly sign but it's not 100 percent

Yeah true, in which case a year out is most likely. Mercedes will take George and a place at Williams will open up but if Mercedes couldn't sign Lewis what chance would Williams have.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-01-2021 02:42PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

When's the deadline for contract negotiations? They're due in Bahrain at the end of March

The end of March. There is no deadline, as such. They would want a driver who isn’t under contract to be in sensitive team meetings. But Hamilton will almost certainly be under contract when then season starts. So I don’t think there’s would be much fuss.

T-Maxx · 12-01-2021 02:43PM

Of course he'll sign. Probably too busy overcoming some adversity somewhere...

Let's all talk about Lewis?

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