Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Henley Tangy User wrote: »

Exactly. It is the people who have caused this mess, and who are responsible for the deaths, business closures, illnesses and damage to our children's education we are now looking at. We're all human and most of us have probably slipped up occasionally, misinterpreted a guideline, momentarily forgotten to socially distance.

But only some people wilfully carried on regardless, in the full knowledge of what they were doing. We saw it earlier on last Summer when people were on Boards delightedly telling us all that they were in their local pub and they stayed there for hours being served pint after pint. We've seen it in all the large gatherings for big birthdays, christenings and first holy communions. We've seen it in the employers bringing people back into work who could realistically work from home, the people who didn't bother to isolate after foreign travel, the restaurant owners who crammed as many people in as possible in the run up to Christmas, the people who partied and then mixed with several households over Christmas and the people who defied the ban on travel from the UK to Ireland and snuck in via Belfast.

Anyonwme who behaved like that should be taking a long hard look at themselves.

I can categorically say that I did not engage in any of that behaviour, but not sure the blame game will do anyone good. A lot of people have made sacrifices, a lot of people have lost their jobs, businesses (and associated livelihoods) have closed which will never open again, and the taxpayer more generally is providing supports which future generations will have to pay. The vast majority of people have followed the rules in good faith. Lots were complacent in December but we will have to live as a society beyond this period.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You sound very familiar. I wouldn't over worry.

It will be difficult for the dog not being walked

1700 in hospital at the moment.

That's a new high.

The bright shoots that gives some hope is that the Irish hospital system discharged more people with covid yesterday than ever before.

Admissions are still higher but discharges are generally in line with admissions from 10 days ago. 10 days ago was the point that admissions was really rising so discharges should start to really rise too.

This from yesterday

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348551114216656902?s=20

wadacrack wrote: »

Obesity and diet is a big one for the low mortality

high mortality?

gozunda wrote: »

This from yesterday

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348551114216656902?s=20

Looking back it was like something from the start of a horror film..

Eod100 wrote: »

Looking back it was like something from the start of a horror film..

I remember seeing the videos emerging from China of people dying in the street and culling pigs.

End of days stuff

Gruffalux wrote: »

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698683/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mg.co.za/coronavirus-essentials/2021-01-11-ivermectin-is-not-a-miracle-drug/%3famp

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/first-its-kind-african-trial-tests-common-drugs-prevent-severe-covid-19

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.29.20222661v1
India trial.

Looking at the map in the last post's link one cannot help but notice the lower impact of Covid in Africa.
At an earlier time I subscribed to the inadequate reporting thesis but now I think that we would hear if African ICUs on the wider continent were melting down.
Younger population is given as a reason. Quite possibly a factor. Though other countries have young populations too like Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan - the first 2 of those examples have not done overly well . Cross immunity from other coronaviruses due to more prevalent poor health. Very possible. Although other places in the world have lots of poor health and coronaviruses.

Is it still a thought crime to even wonder about medications that have regular use in Africa due to endemic parasite problems?
A recent Indian study linked above has looked at prophylactic ivermectin. Ooops. Did I say that word out loud!

In Nigeria, a rich African country, the power often goes out in hospitals and surgery can be finished by torch light.

In very large parts hospitals here 100 years ago would be a Godsend.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Are they planning to vaccinate people who already had covid? Reports today saying if you've already had it, it's better than getting a vaccine.

There's talk of asking them to wait a few months. There is a logic to that but TBH it seems to be more in response to where we find ourselves vis a vis supplies. When we get to 100K and beyond a week the full total of cases now is barely a week's supply.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Are they planning to vaccinate people who already had covid? Reports today saying if you've already had it, it's better than getting a vaccine.

My cousin (healthcare worker) received their vaccine about a week ago, they've previously had covid.

They're now self isolating though because they were a close contact the day after receiving the vaccine!

Strumms wrote: »

Tough, i can empathize, certainly. Education is education, not child minding. Teachers are employed to educate not ‘ look after ‘.

You start by claiming empathy but immediately denigrate the concerns of these parents by claiming they are just looking for child minding. This same lazy argument trotted out by anyone who dares to state the fact that education (especially in early years and for those with special needs) is vital.

To expand on this. Provisions for Autistic kids etc is nothing to do with Child minding. It's specialised educational resources for these children that cannot be provided in the home environment and certainly not remotely. It's heart breaking seeing a child make so much progress only to regress as a result of all of this. Regression is a major issue with autism in particular. There is only so much we can do at home (and believe me we have spent a small fortune and try our best). We are almost a year into this now and aside for a few months from September to December the educational year for children has been destroyed.

I know we are trying to fight the virus and I agree that all steps we are taking are necessary but a bit of bloody empathy (real not pseudo as you posted above) with people wouldn't go amiss. It's a standard since this started with entrenched views and no room for other opinions or empathy for the positions others find them in. We're not asking for an all out opening up just a prioritisation, a plan to move forward in the fastest way possible. This can be in the form of moving people up the vaccination ladder who provide these resources in order to enable opening sooner than general population. As it stands teachers etc are way too far down the ladder and should be higher up.

Are there some people who would never get Covid? For example say there was no restrictions at all ever would it result in the whole world getting it or would some people just never get it and what percent? I think I know what the answer will be but it would be interesting to hear peoples views on this