Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Strumms wrote: »

Tough, i can empathize, certainly. Education is education, not child minding. Teachers are employed to educate not ‘ look after ‘.

What do you think Junior Infants teachers are there for?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We need to stay locked down as long as NPHET recommends.

Can't see that happening though. Once hospitalisations start to drop to perceived acceptable levels and case numbers the same, there will be huge pressure on the government to open up again. Nothing in the government's past actions suggests they will change their approach especially now with the positive PR of vaccines. I expect a silly flurry to open everything up and shoot ourselves in the foot once again.

Given our small population, you'd think we would get the population vaccinated very fast.

But obviously not.

fits wrote: »

Teaching students with special needs is certainly not childminding. Some of them need the routine. Some regress extremely quickly. They go to school to learn life skills and online teaching doesn’t work for this cohort. In addition some children are very challenging when their routine is disrupted. I’m just saying they ought to be prioritised.

Yes

In the UK school never stopped for those children during any lockdown

hotmail.com wrote: »

What do you think Junior Infants teachers are there for?

Educated to do lot more than child minding ,that's for sure.

hotmail.com wrote: »

What do you think Junior Infants teachers are there for?

What do you think they are there for?

Different

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Totally agree. That's why I've been saying that we will likely see the hospital figures peak this weekend with the ICU to peak towards the middle/end of next week.

I wonder if sometimes we are overly cautious. For example if you are a close contact you isolate for 14 days in Ireland. Other countries its 7 days.

I think we will actually see the number of new admissions to hospital slow over the next few days. That coupled with people being discharged we will peak at the weekend. I also still say that we will have less than 1000 positive swabs by the weekend.

Oddly enough, in our first wave, cases and hospitalisations peaked about the same time, 15th April. Now testing was all over the shop then and you needed multiple symptoms, tho it’s also a bit of a mess now, albeit any symptoms will do, and we’ve more availability of private testing.

But... ICU peaked 6 days before hospitalisations, on the 9th April. Perhaps they were learning and were more likely to treat on wards as time went on, but it’s still interesting to note. It may also explain why we’re close to double in terms on inpatients with covid compared to wave 1, but only just about hitting the same ICU peak of 160.

I personally think that we’ll see a faster than expected, and perhaps sooner than expected, downslope on the curve of cases/hospitalisations/ICU admissions, but the tail could still be long. The two weeks beyond case peak didn’t materialise in wave 1 or 2, and we’ve imposed more restrictions now than wave 2. Couple that with January usually being a quiet month, the social pressure valve was released by those who wanted it released, and now we can all see the consequences of opening up a little too gung-ho.

Or at least I hope we see it.

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Different

Ha ha well done lol

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Oddly enough, in our first wave, cases and hospitalisations peaked about the same time, 15th April. Now testing was all over the shop then and you needed multiple symptoms, tho it’s also a bit of a mess now, albeit any symptoms will do, and we’ve more availability of private testing.

But... ICU peaked 6 days before hospitalisations, on the 9th April. Perhaps they were learning and were more likely to treat on wards as time went on, but it’s still interesting to note. It may also explain why we’re close to double in terms on inpatients with covid compared to wave 1, but only just about hitting the same ICU peak of 160.

I personally think that we’ll see a faster than expected, and perhaps sooner than expected, downslope on the curve of cases/hospitalisations/ICU admissions, but the tail could still be long. The two weeks beyond case peak didn’t materialise in wave 1 or 2, and we’ve imposed more restrictions now than wave 2. Couple that with January usually being a quiet month, the social pressure valve was released by those who wanted it released, and now we can all see the consequences of opening up a little too gung-ho.

Or at least I hope we see it.

Just a general question on this - cases are higher than ever (well, identified cases are, we obviously missed multiples of what we caught in Wave 1) and ICU is similar to the peak.

Yet we have less deaths thankfully - have there been developments in terms of treating the disease in hospitals and in ICU that have saved lives? I assume there has been but what are they?

Irish Steve wrote: »

Do you actually have a clue what you are saying here? It seems not.

AsIam is a support organisation for Autistic children. IF, and it's a BIG IF (which is chronically underfunded and under resourced) they are given the right support and environment in which to develop, autistic people are some of the highest achievers in the world, to the extent that Microsoft Ireland has a special unit that actively seeks and employs autistic people, because the results they produce often outperform other people by orders of magnitude.

The critical period is when autistic children first enter education, each child is different, and the specialist teachers, along with special needs assistants, have to very carefully explore the personality of each child in their care to find ways to get them to start the mental exploration that will lead to them becoming functioning members of society.

To accuse them of being a "look after" service is to demean both the teachers AND the children they are teaching, and make no mistake, they most definitely ARE learning, not maybe in the way that the majority do, but in their own unique and very special way.

Do you have a clue , quite simply ? Yes yes teachers have a duty of care, but children are there as students, to be educated and to learn.. what other needs they may have can and are to be facilitated but school isn’t child minding.

Nobody is being demeaned, you are choosing that interpretation all on your lonesomene.

Strumms wrote: »

Do you have a clue , quite simply ? Yes yes teachers have a duty of care, but children are there as students, to be educated and to learn.. what other needs they may have can and are to be facilitated but school isn’t child minding.

Nobody is being demeaned, you are choosing that interpretation all on your lonesomene.

Are they not being minded by default though? I mean yes the primary function of a school system is to educate, but by nature of the fact that a child spends 8 hours or whatever of his or her day there, and while there are legally under the care of the school, they are being minded?

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Good programme on BBC1 on the immune system. If your immune system is out of wack your 6 times more likely to get a bad dose of C19.

We need more diversity, in our guts.

Smokers, drinkers people with autoimmune diseases all have or tend to have weaker / weak immune systems....