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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #4022
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Watching the office on Netflix, and I can't shake the feeling of discomfort seeing people in super close proximity without masks hahaha!

    I'm the opposite. I look on with envy and longing :(


  • #4023
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Totally agree. That's why I've been saying that we will likely see the hospital figures peak this weekend with the ICU to peak towards the middle/end of next week.

    I wonder if sometimes we are overly cautious. For example if you are a close contact you isolate for 14 days in Ireland. Other countries its 7 days.

    I think we will actually see the number of new admissions to hospital slow over the next few days. That coupled with people being discharged we will peak at the weekend. I also still say that we will have less than 1000 positive swabs by the weekend.

    Belgium had a similar very sharp spike recently.


  • #4024
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Has Vitamin D actually been established as a cause of worse course of illness? Low vitamin D is common in many of the at risk groups, (obese, over 65, dark non-white ethnicity so it could be completely correlational that most people who die of COVID are low in Vitamin D

    There's been a lot of studies on the efficacy of both vitamins C and D for covid.

    I think in summary if you are deficient then you could end up with a worse case of it. Although a recent scientific review shows promising results for vitamin C as a treatment.

    Summary and vitamin c scientific paper here:

    https://www.pathologyinpractice.com/story/34397/vitamin-c-a-game-changer-for-covid-19-patients


  • #4025
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Totally agree. That's why I've been saying that we will likely see the hospital figures peak this weekend with the ICU to peak towards the middle/end of next week.

    I wonder if sometimes we are overly cautious. For example if you are a close contact you isolate for 14 days in Ireland. Other countries its 7 days.

    I think we will actually see the number of new admissions to hospital slow over the next few days. That coupled with people being discharged we will peak at the weekend. I also still say that we will have less than 1000 positive swabs by the weekend.
    Same question as I asked TonyMaloney...

    Why do you think people are getting symptoms earlier and going to hospital earlier? What data is leading you to come to that conclusion?

    Not being snarky, just curious as to what is your reasoning for this theory?


  • #4026
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    majcos wrote: »
    HSE operations report 11/1.

    Covid cases hospitalised as of 8pm 1620 - increase from 1499

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 143 as of 6.30pm - increase from 127.
    1 death in ICU 24 hours up to 8am.
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 74 as of 6.30pm - increase from 69.

    Available ICU beds 30 as of 6.30pm.
    13 ICUs with no available beds.
    Total open and staffed ICU beds increased to 301.

    45 increase in hospital admissions is a major slowing down, 8am to 8pm.

    It was averaging 65 or so for a 12hr period the last few days.


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  • #4027
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Belgium had a similar very sharp spike recently.

    I imagine also because of Christmas. I feel like there was no need for major panic. Our numbers clearly spiked because of Christmas. Once Christmas was over most people would have had very few contacts. That's why I think we will have a very low R0 figure next week.

    I've said from the start that Ireland is different from most other countries in Europe because we have a very rural population and even our cities are low density. This doesn't give the virus much opportunity to spread and its why lockdowns work extra well here.

    Then comes along something like Christmas and it almost turns us into a densely populated country because everyone flocked to our urban centers and the virus ran riot.


  • #4028
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    Hi was just wondering if anyone has noticed I'll feeling towards others during this. I'm wondering if covid will be the ruination of some people's reputation long term. For example people that attended parties and caught and transmitted the virus. I am hearing more and more talk about people that attended gatherings after x mas. Mainly people in their late twenties. I am annoyed with these people. I'm an essential worker and have to go to work every day despite sometimes feeling anxious about it. Also the parents of these people that let the parties go ahead. There are also a large amount of people self isolating and possibly lying about their date or contact for example saying it was at an earlier date to avoid not getting paid for self isolating. Does anyone think some people s reputation s will be permanently scarred over this. Obviously I don't mean people that caught it with out attending parties. But the people that attended parties and also their family members that didbt self isolate


  • #4029
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Totally agree. That's why I've been saying that we will likely see the hospital figures peak this weekend with the ICU to peak towards the middle/end of next week.

    I wonder if sometimes we are overly cautious. For example if you are a close contact you isolate for 14 days in Ireland. Other countries its 7 days.

    I think we will actually see the number of new admissions to hospital slow over the next few days. That coupled with people being discharged we will peak at the weekend. I also still say that we will have less than 1000 positive swabs by the weekend.

    There is nothing to suggest the disease profile has changed. Our hospitals were already in a precarious position in November. Then the virus went out of control in the community to the point our confirmed case numbers are gibberish. Our infection rate is so high it looks hospitalisation is occurring earlier but that's mainly down to sicker patients being a higher proportion of tests. A consequence of having such high positivity rates. We don't know what our true case numbers are for the past few weeks - and likely never will.


  • #4030
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Arduach wrote: »
    45 increase in hospital admissions is a major slowing down, 8am to 8pm.

    It was averaging 65 or so for a 12hr period the last few days.

    This is net of discharges, and I think there are usually more discharges on Monday (weekend effect). The numbers look pretty grim to me, I’m just hoping they stabilise as the week progresses.


  • #4031
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    majcos wrote: »
    Same question as I asked TonyMaloney...

    Why do you think people are getting symptoms earlier and going to hospital earlier? What data is leading you to come to that conclusion?

    Not being snarky, just curious as to what is your reasoning for this theory?

    Because of mutations I imagine. The virus infects with a higher viral load and people come sicker quicker. It's just an observation but I remember early on I knew a few households that got it and there was cases where most tested positive but didn't even know they had it.

    Now anyone I know that's had it said they were unwell. Some felt very poorly, others felt slightly ill but most knew they had it.


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  • #4032
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,852 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    JP100 wrote: »
    ASIAM the autism charity along with Down Syndrome Ireland and Inclusion Ireland are calling for special schools and classes to be open. All the while they themselves have stopped all of their own in person provision and services for special needs children and their families. What a huge double standard there and something that should be pointed out to ASIAM CEO Adam Harris in his regular media outings.

    Absolute bollôcks. What cloud is this gimp of an individual living on ?

    All this work done and he wants to put children, staff and families at risk. In turn the health of the country.

    Hopefully the staff union stays behind them 1000%.

    Even if not if it’s me I’d just resign, no notice... fûck him.


  • #4033
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Arduach wrote: »
    45 increase in hospital admissions is a major slowing down, 8am to 8pm.

    It was averaging 65 or so for a 12hr period the last few days.
    I like your optimism and I hope you are right but it’s a bit early to draw any conclusions from the last 12 hour period compared to the previous few days as there are always more discharges on a Monday than at weekends.


  • #4034
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Turtwig wrote: »
    There is nothing to suggest the disease profile has changed. Our hospitals were already in a precarious position in November. Then the virus went out of control in the community to the point our confirmed case numbers are gibberish. Our infection rate is so high it looks hospitalisation is occurring earlier but that's mainly down to sicker patients being a higher proportion of tests. A consequence of having such high positivity rates. We don't know what our true case numbers are for the past few weeks - and likely never will.

    Thats right, it went out of control because of Christmas the the build up to Christmas. Now its coming under control and the figures show that. Things are looking up thankfully. 2 - 3 weeks time we will be in a much better place.


  • #4035
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Because of mutations I imagine. The virus infects with a higher viral load and people come sicker quicker. It's just an observation but I remember early on I knew a few households that got it and there was cases where most tested positive but didn't even know they had it.

    Now anyone I know that's had it said they were unwell. Some felt very poorly, others felt slightly ill but most knew they had it.
    No. I mean what data are you looking at that is leading you to think that people are having symptoms earlier and being hospitalised earlier? Rather than me asking why they are being hospitalised earlier, I am asking you how are you reaching the conclusion that they are being hospitalised earlier.


  • #4036
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Carlowgirl wrote: »
    Hi was just wondering if anyone has noticed I'll feeling towards others during this. I'm wondering if covid will be the ruination of some people's reputation long term. For example people that attended parties and caught and transmitted the virus. I am hearing more and more talk about people that attended gatherings after x mas. Mainly people in their late twenties. I am annoyed with these people. I'm an essential worker and have to go to work every day despite sometimes feeling anxious about it. Also the parents of these people that let the parties go ahead. There are also a large amount of people self isolating and possibly lying about their date or contact for example saying it was at an earlier date to avoid not getting paid for self isolating. Does anyone think some people s reputation s will be permanently scarred over this. Obviously I don't mean people that caught it with out attending parties. But the people that attended parties and also their family members that didbt self isolate


    I think there’s a grain of truth in that alright in rural areas. Especially if the consequences are serious. Anyway nothing can be done about them now only everyone adhere as best we can in future.


  • #4037
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Belgium had a similar very sharp spike recently.

    Belgium whaa? Worldometers showing very steady/stable daily cases, I can't see any spike?


  • #4038
    Carlowgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Carlowgirl


    SilentGreenX wrote: »
    Why and how would that happen? Its not like every single person who didn't follow the rules is on some list somewhere so how would people even know who it was?

    In small towns everyone knows


  • #4039
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    This is net of discharges, and I think there are usually more discharges on Monday (weekend effect). The numbers look pretty grim to me, I’m just hoping they stabilise as the week progresses.

    Ok. Feck.


  • #4040
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Because of mutations I imagine. The virus infects with a higher viral load and people come sicker quicker. It's just an observation but I remember early on I knew a few households that got it and there was cases where most tested positive but didn't even know they had it.

    Now anyone I know that's had it said they were unwell. Some felt very poorly, others felt slightly ill but most knew they had it.

    That is very anecdotal evidence. COVID symptoms vary to an incredible extent it could easily explain your experience with people you know.
    Much more people are getting it now, so we probably all know a few going through a bad bout right now, but asymptomatic people are being tested less as there are so many cases to get tested that they are not being prioritised, so they may not even know they have it, and could also explain the change in effects of people you know who are testing positive.


  • #4041
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Belgium whaa? Worldometers showing very steady/stable daily cases, I can't see any spike?
    Belguim had their case spike in November.


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  • #4042
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Strumms wrote: »
    Absolute bollôcks. What cloud is this gimp of an individual living on ?

    All this work done and he wants to put children, staff and families at risk. In turn the health of the country.

    Hopefully the staff union stays behind them 1000%.

    Even if not if it’s me I’d just resign, no notice... fûck him.


    I didn’t realise AsIAm offered any sort of service provision.

    The other two organisations definitely do not.

    Some families really are finding it very tough with their children at the moment and they certainly should be prioritised to return.


  • #4043
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,509 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    My goodness, NPHET don’t seem to want to answer journalists questions re data, variants, percentages, etc. They just want to single out people who dare go to the park, shop, near anyone else. They all keep repeating stay at home. We all know this - this press conference needs to have more information on the restrictions and their effectiveness, vaccinations, variants, positivity rate, etc.

    Why does it? So you can second guess them?

    If the fire brigade came to save your house from burning down would you be questioning them for proof that their approach was correct or would you just let the professionals do their job and stay out of their way?


  • #4044
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,653 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Why does it? So you can second guess them?

    If the fire brigade came to save your house from burning down would you be questioning them for proof that their approach was correct or would you just let the professionals do their job and stay out of their way?

    If they weren't spraying any water on the house then yes I'd certainly question them.


  • #4045
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm the opposite. I look on with envy and longing :(

    Oh me too. Then again I think I'm actually in love with Pam so it could be that too haha


  • #4046
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    From an optimistic post I made to less of a one.

    Does anyone feel swabs might not be telling the full story this time around.

    I've heard of a lot of people locally who, with Covid symptoms, have decided, look I'm not too ill, I won't bother with the test and just do my own isolation..


  • #4047
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Arduach wrote: »
    From an optimistic post I made to less of a one.

    Does anyone feel swabs might not be telling the full story this time around.

    I've heard of a lot of people locally who, with Covid symptoms, have decided, look I'm not too I'll, I won't bother with the test and just do my own isolation..

    No.


  • #4048
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    So Mike Ryan speaks after talking to Tony and now the headlines are political. Helps no one right now.

    https://twitter.com/naomiohreally/status/1348722341111603209?s=21


  • #4049
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,031 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    Quite frankly I don't care what you or anyone else believe. I sporadically post here after scanning through posts. If I have some agenda I'm fairly sh1te at pushing it.

    And she should be reported to the council for not feeling pressure and getting on with her job and just taking what comes at her? Where did I say anything about the hospital situation being the same as any other winter? Think you should read it again. I see her day in and day out. And I know when she has bad days. March and April were like that. She hasn't been like that since.

    Also I must be fairly dedicated to this fictional wife. I set the wheels in motion long before Covid when I've posted about her and her profession years ago. In the fitness forum I believe for those with little else to do. Possibly the parenting one as well.




    Who knows what your agenda is or if she is real or used to pad your stories out ..I frankly don't care . Some here have 2 wives, and others regularly make up stories about empty hospitals and A& Es .

    Sad people who tell lies on an internet forum.



    I am tired of fielding these ridiculous posts claiming that nothing is happening in the hospitals .

    And you did say that she said it was like a normal winter , the piste us there unless you have deleted it .

    That is a ridiculous and dangerous statement as there are some that might actually believe you because you say your" wife is a doctor so he must be right ."



    There is nothing normal in this situation nor is it like any other season I have seen in 35 years of nursing , and I have worked in major hospitals in 4 different capital cities around the world .


    Maybe the person you are quoting is just too junior or inexperienced to know what is actually happening .
    Or is she upset because she as you say she said " can't do what she normally does because Covid is dominating everything"?
    Why is Covid dominating everything , if its so mild ?


  • #4050
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    So Mike Ryan speaks after talking to Tony and now the headlines are political. Helps no one right now.

    https://twitter.com/naomiohreally/status/1348722341111603209?s=21

    It's too late for the blame game.

    We are where we are.

    Let's just try get out of it.


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  • #4051
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The government in real trouble if the hospitals become overwhelmed.

    It looks like Sinn Fein didn't say much back in December. I think I only recall the Social Democrats and the Left wingers urging the government to keep pubs closed.


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