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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3722
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Anniepowaa wrote: »
    bookies are not open genius

    Point still stands though smartass. Far too many things are deemed essential.


  • #3723
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Britain is racing ahead with vaccinations. We haven't vaccinated all nursing home residents yet.

    They haven't vaccinated all nursing home residents yet either.

    Kind of an irrelevant point.


  • #3724
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Datacore wrote: »
    I don’t think that’s very fair. They’re reporting fact. Not much point in being annoyed with the messages. We are where we are and it’s their job to hold up a mirror, even if it’s extremely unflattering.

    Reporting it the very same day we've seen a good decline in swabs.....

    That was last week's news TBH.


  • #3725
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    Rte have finally got the headline they wanted

    RTE were pushing for the economy to open up in December, that was the impression I got.

    George Lee has no credibility since his by election fiasco.


  • #3726
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    Datacore wrote: »
    I don’t think that’s very fair. They’re reporting fact. Not much point in being annoyed with the messages. We are where we are and it’s their job to hold up a mirror, even if it’s extremely unflattering.

    They have been a complete disgrace during this frightening the sh1t out of pensioners for a year now


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  • #3727
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Interesting explanation on how some hospitals in UK facing problems facing oxygen shortages. TLDR: Basically there is no shortage of supply to the hospital but the system for the delivery cannot cope with the numbers requiring oxygen or the flow rate used in some of the newer ways it is delivered to patients.

    https://twitter.com/UnrollHelper/status/1348662847253966851?s=20


  • #3728
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    They haven't vaccinated all nursing home residents yet either.

    Kind of an irrelevant point.

    I'm seeing they've set up 7 mass vaccinations centres in England now. Light years ahead of us, meaning our restrictions will go on longer and longer.


  • #3729
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    Yes Vaccines seem slow .. but personally it’s great to actually talk to people I know who have received it.
    It’s definitely given me a glimmer of hope that family and friends can go to work with out the fear of catching it or bringing it home ..


  • #3730
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    There were upgrades to oxygen systems in some of the hospitals here in the immediate response back in March/April.

    I’m not sure how extensive they were but I do remember hearing about work being done at on of the major hospitals in Cork.

    I’ve no details on what was done but I just remember someone telling me that work was under way to augment the systems.


  • #3731
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Swab data good. Deaths data bad.

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  • #3732
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm seeing they've set up 7 mass vaccinations centres in England now. Light years ahead of us, meaning our restrictions will go on longer and longer.

    Yep. For better or for worse they approved the vaccines before us and have approved more vaccines than the eu.

    The situation in the UK will be decided based on whether off label dosage regime for the vaccines work or not. If the 12 week gap between vaccines reduces efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine they could be in a bad way.


  • #3733
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Anyone else remember the posts on here when Nobel Laureate, Michael Levitt predicted in March the Pandemic would be over in a matter of weeks and the arm chair experts on boards lost their marbles when people said he was mad? Good times.

    Thinking back on some of the earlier iterations of this thread.... Jesus actually wept. Albeit not much has changed for some people; they're still banging the same drum!


  • #3734
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    When do you reckon we will be back to sub 100 cases and level 3+ approximately? Early March?


  • #3735
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    hotmail.com wrote: »

    George Lee has no credibility since his by election fiasco.

    I'm no fan of George Lee but, he has no credibility because of something completely unrelated that happened many years ago?


  • #3736
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm seeing they've set up 7 mass vaccinations centres in England now. Light years ahead of us, meaning our restrictions will go on longer and longer.

    We don’t have the vaccines. The approvals process is longer for the AstraZeneca vaccine because the developers of that vaccine did not provide the EMA with adequate data. So either the U.K. regulator was willing to take a more risky approach to approval based on less information, or (and I suspect this is likely) they were given priority access to data as it was developed in the U.K.

    Obviously the U.K., particularly with this highly nationalistic government, would aim to put British interests ahead of the EU market, which it is very hostile to and appears to actually hate. There was also a strong need to show a benefit to what is otherwise the unfolding disaster that is Brexit.

    It also has not been approved by the FDA and may not be for a long time as they don’t accept non-US conducted trial data.

    It’s looking like the EMA will have approved it in February and in the meantime the Pfizer / BioNTech order has been increased dramatically, Moderna is approved and beginning to be distributed and Janssen / J&J vaccine is well under way through the regulatory system.

    We should physically put the mass vaccination centres in place now though even if they’re not able to start, they should be ready to roll as soon as vaccine stocks are available.


  • #3737
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,507 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    For information purposes - makes a huge difference.

    If I said there were 150 people in ICU right now and 140 were children under the age of 10.

    Or if i said there were 150 people in ICU right now and 140 were 80+ years of age.

    I'd guess the people who need the information have access to it


  • #3738
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    MattS1 wrote: »
    When do you reckon we will be back to sub 100 cases and level 3+ approximately? Early March?

    Early March.....when 2022?

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #3739
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm seeing they've set up 7 mass vaccinations centres in England now. Light years ahead of us, meaning our restrictions will go on longer and longer.

    They set up mass treatment centers last year, before realising they couldn't staff them enough to operate properly. Then they set up a world beating test and trace system, that didn't work. By every conceivable metric up to this point in the pandemic, our government has done a far better job, on testing rates, on contact tracing, on keeping infections and deaths down, while simultaneously doing less harm to our economy.

    Vaccines might prove to be the exception, but I'd wait for some real data once everything is up and running before comparing the spin from the Tory government to the generally more realistic statements our own politicians tend to put out.


  • #3740
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Here's a quick graph that compares the current recovery to that in October, normalised to the maximum with swabs taken as a 3 day average. Even if this lockdown only works as well as October it shows that we should be at 0.2 of the maximum swab rate or about 1200 per day by the time the schools are due to go back. Optimistically we should be ahead of that curve and hopefully down at the 500-700 cases a day mark. I think that would be enough for them to go back.

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  • #3741
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    quokula wrote: »
    They set up mass treatment centers last year, before realising they couldn't staff them enough to operate properly. Then they set up a world beating test and trace system, that didn't work. By every conceivable metric up to this point in the pandemic, our government has done a far better job, on testing rates, on contact tracing, on keeping infections and deaths down, while simultaneously doing less harm to our economy.

    Vaccines might prove to be the exception, but I'd wait for some real data once everything is up and running before comparing the spin from the Tory government to the generally more realistic statements our own politicians tend to put out.

    It's not a competition between Britain and us.

    I just mean if they are getting the vaccine out so fast, why are we failing?


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  • #3742
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm seeing they've set up 7 mass vaccinations centres in England now. Light years ahead of us, meaning our restrictions will go on longer and longer.
    We have plans for mass vaccinations as well but not at that stage. We can expect the pharmacy/GP/hospital network to kick in faster. We won't have any need of them until at least March.


  • #3743
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    It's not a competition between Britain and us.

    I just mean if they are getting the vaccine out so fast, why are we failing?
    40,000 vaccinations in a week is not failing. The UK have three vaccines.


  • #3744
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    I'm no fan of George Lee but, he has no credibility because of something completely unrelated that happened many years ago?

    Well I just see him as a farcical figure. RTE didn't know what to do with him once he came back to the newsroom.

    I don't even listen to his analysis.


  • #3745
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    It's not a competition between Britain and us.

    I just mean if they are getting the vaccine out so fast, why are we failing?

    You completely missed my point. They say they're getting the vaccine out so fast. There's plenty of evidence of problems over there, along with them resorting to not adhering to the dosage schedule correctly as they don't have enough second jabs for everyone.

    We're being more realistic and making sure we do what works rather than what grabs headlines. We aren't failing.


  • #3746
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    quokula wrote: »
    You completely missed my point. They say they're getting the vaccine out so fast. There's plenty of evidence of problems over there, along with them resorting to not adhering to the dosage schedule correctly as they don't have enough second jabs for everyone.

    We're being more realistic and making sure we do what works rather than what grabs headlines. We aren't failing.

    Over 2 million in Britain have now been vaccinated.


  • #3747
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    I don’t understand why a science focused corespondent isn’t a scientist.
    RTE has access to people with strong science backgrounds who they roll out on what are effectively children’s tv shows for science education. They should have recruited one of them for news. It’s essential right now.


  • #3748
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    zuutroy wrote: »
    Here's a quick graph that compares the current recovery to that in October, normalised to the maximum with swabs taken as a 3 day average. Even if this lockdown only works as well as October it shows that we should be at 0.2 of the maximum swab rate or about 1200 per day by the time the schools are due to go back. Optimistically we should be ahead of that curve and hopefully down at the 500-700 cases a day mark. I think that would be enough for them to go back.
    The crude models I'm running are showing the same thing. But they did the same thing back in October until it started to tail really frustratingly, so I'm skeptical. It would be amazing if it came to be, but I'm not getting any hopes up till the end of this week.

    With any luck we'll be down to 7% positivity as dizzyingly fast as we left it, but I'm keeping my money in my pocket.


  • #3749
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Over 2 million in Britain have now been vaccinated.

    2.9% of pop.

    We would need to be hitting 130,000 to 140,000 by now to be at that level.


  • #3750
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Over 2 million in Britain have now been vaccinated.
    That's the equivalent of roughly about 150,000 here. Which puts us a few weeks behind, at most.

    These small differences will be of little consequence in 3 months' time.


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  • #3751
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    seamus wrote: »
    The crude models I'm running are showing the same thing. But they did the same thing back in October until it started to tail really frustratingly, so I'm skeptical. It would be amazing if it came to be, but I'm not getting any hopes up till the end of this week.

    With any luck we'll be down to 7% positivity as dizzyingly fast as we left it, but I'm keeping my money in my pocket.

    One day of home schooling is enough to have me torturing the data until it confesses to something positive!


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