Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Kaybaykwah · 11-01-2021 04:00PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

Suppose that is true.
I have a very left (economic) wing view of it all + think the greed of wealthy interests/companies is the ultimate cause of what is happening to the US.
They just couldn't bear to share x % extra with their employees or have the government somewhat constrain their ability to make money for benefit of the society over last few decades. It chafed them.
Now fundamentals of the whole system (like accepting results of an election and a peaceful transition of power) that they have been parasitic on are starting to fray. After all if democracy in the US does devolve into authoritarianism, their golden goose will croak & only selected cronies & friends keeping on the right side of the Leader/party will be able to profit (similar to Russia/China perhaps?).

Well, the Brothers Koch have been successful in undermining union activism and leftist agendas in colleges and administrations via all sorts of targeted propaganda. The healthcare and Education sector are great examples of how Americans have been led to believe a universal health scheme would "take away" their choice. The Koch brothers have been active on that front for 50 years trying to roll back or stem the liberal measures of progressives.

briany · 11-01-2021 04:00PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

You've lost me. No idea where you're going with any of that.

A) Some (and I reiterate some) quotations were taken out of context. For example, Pelosi didn't say, "I don't know why there aren't uprisings across the country" in relation to BLM riots. She said it in relation to the practice of separating kids from their parents at the Mexican border.

The MSM didn't exactly cheer on the rioting at certain BLM protests during the Summer, or even normalise it. There was certainly a lot of discussion about it and a lot of voices commenting. Even CNN, who Trump has repeatedly called 'fake news' and vilified to his supporters, did not portray the protests as 100 percent peaceful.

ohnonotgmail · 11-01-2021 04:00PM

Overheal wrote: »

Well, buckle up.

Some Representatives are saying it could take up to 100 days into Biden's presidency to actually transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate and begin the impeachment trial of Donald Trump.

What will happen today according to the speakers memo yesterday:

- They will introduce a bill for a 25th amendment commission, provided for in the amendment but never implemented by Congress. Until now.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

- They won't get unanimous consent for that and it will be docketed for tuesday/wednesday to debate

- Similarly, the articles of impeachment will be introduced, Republicans will not allow it to pass with unanimous consent and it will go to a debate and a floor vote by Wednesday.

The Senate won't move to regular business until the 19th, so even if they passed and transmitted today that's the earliest date they would take it up. But, this also all butts up to the Inauguration, and not a single cabinet member of the next administration has yet been confirmed. The first confirmation hearing is already scheduled for the 19th. Biden will have all acting department heads from the previous administration; which is FUBAR under the circumstances.

can he not fire them all and appoint his own people as acting secretaries until they are confirmed?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 11-01-2021 04:00PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Are they URL links (parler offline) or is the content of the links downloaded?

Just downloaded one of the .txt.bin files editted out the .bin part I'm left with a big list of parler.com links, a bit pointless when the site is offline... Or am I missing something?

Overheal · 11-01-2021 04:02PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

can he not fire them all and appoint his own people as acting secretaries until they are confirmed?

IDK exactly how that works for each position, I do not think you can just pick up a political friend off the street and give them the keys to the DOJ. Usually acting heads are reassigned from within the government. And yeah he will have to do so, but it will be a nightmare altogether.

briany · 11-01-2021 04:02PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

to sign up to parler you had to upload photos of your ID. I wonder if they got that data as well.

If I was a right-wing nut signing up to Parler, here's the ID I would have used.

Overheal · 11-01-2021 04:04PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Just downloaded one of the .txt.bin files editted out the .bin part I'm left with a big list of parler.com links, a bit pointless when the site is offline... Or am I missing something?

That Amazon Web Services has a copy of everything and they're almost certainly cooperating with the DOJ - and the NSA also has their own copy of the internet.

11-01-2021 04:04PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

More new footage, this time a rioter shouting at police and then assaulting one of them

https://twitter.com/charlieWork91/status/1348388629748588544

"They work for us, **** them."

That's the attitude of these people. America to the nth degree. The customer is always right.

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 04:04PM

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1348643852954034179?s=20

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 04:06PM

"and the hits just keep on coming..."

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1348643682162008073?s=20

Too Tough To Die · 11-01-2021 04:07PM

briany wrote: »

A) Some (and I reiterate some) quotations were taken out of context. For example, Pelosi didn't say, "I don't know why there aren't uprisings across the country" in relation to BLM riots. She said it in relation to the practice of separating kids from their parents at the Mexican border.

The MSM didn't exactly cheer on the rioting at certain BLM protests during the Summer, or even normalise it. There was certainly a lot of discussion about it and a lot of voices commenting. Even CNN, who Trump has repeatedly called 'fake news' and vilified to his supporters, did not portray the protests as 100 percent peaceful.

I never mentioned BLM.

If you can't see that organisations like CNN are complicit in American's growing intolerance for one another then we fundamentally disagree.

everlast75 · 11-01-2021 04:13PM

briany wrote: »

If I was a right-wing nut signing up to Parler, here's the ID I would have used.

here's mine

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joe40 · 11-01-2021 04:17PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I never mentioned BLM.

If you can't see that organisations like CNN are complicit in American's growing intolerance for one another then we fundamentally disagree.

Could you find some examples of CNN promoting intolerance.

Billy Mays · 11-01-2021 04:17PM

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Overheal · 11-01-2021 04:22PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1348643852954034179?s=20

https://nysba.org/new-york-state-bar-association-launches-historic-inquiry-into-removing-trump-attorney-rudy-giuliani-from-its-membership/

The New York State Bar Association (NYSBA) strongly condemned the violent uprising that occurred at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, orchestrated by individuals bent on subverting the will of the voters by disrupting the certification of the 2020 presidential election results.

Thankfully, Congress overcame this assault and fulfilled its constitutional responsibility in certifying the Biden-Harris victory. However, we must address the root cause of this abhorrent incident, the blame for which lies first and foremost with President Donald Trump.

But the president did not act alone. Hours before the angry mob stormed the Capitol walls, Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph Giuliani, addressed a crowd of thousands at the White House, reiterating baseless claims of widespread election fraud in the presidential election and the Georgia U.S. Senate runoffs.

“If we’re wrong, we will be made fools of, but if we’re right a lot of them will go to jail,” Mr. Giuliani said. “Let’s have trial by combat.”

NYSBA has received hundreds of complaints in recent months about Mr. Giuliani and his baseless efforts on behalf of President Trump to cast doubt on the veracity of the 2020 presidential election and, after the votes were cast, to overturn its legitimate results. As widely reported, these efforts included the commencement and prosecution of court actions in multiple states without any evidentiary basis whatsoever. In each and every instance, these actions were appropriately dismissed by the courts in which they were brought.

As the nation’s largest voluntary state bar association, NYSBA has a responsibility to defend and protect the rule of law. Based on these complaints, and the statement Mr. Giuliani uttered shortly before the attack on the Capitol, NYSBA President Scott M. Karson has launched an inquiry pursuant to the Association’s bylaws to determine whether Mr. Giuliani should be removed from the membership rolls of the Association.

NYSBA’s bylaws state that “no person who advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States, or of any state, territory or possession thereof, or of any political subdivision therein, by force or other illegal means, shall be a member of the Association.” Mr. Giuliani’s words quite clearly were intended to encourage Trump supporters unhappy with the election’s outcome to take matters into their own hands. Their subsequent attack on the Capitol was nothing short of an attempted coup, intended to prevent the peaceful transition of power.

Mr. Giuliani will be provided due process and have an opportunity – should he so choose – to explain and defend his words and actions.

This decision is historic for NYSBA, and we have not made it lightly. We cannot stand idly by and allow those intent on rending the fabric of our democracy to go unchecked.

ohnonotgmail · 11-01-2021 04:26PM

Very strong words from the NYSBA

Overheal · 11-01-2021 04:26PM

"Cumulus Media, the employer of conservative talk radio hosts like Mark Levin, Dan Bongino and Ben Shapiro, is reportedly telling hosts they will be fired if they continue to spread baseless claims about the 2020 presidential election."

https://www.mediaite.com/radio/cumulus-orders-radio-hosts-which-include-dan-bongino-and-mark-levin-to-stop-pushing-election-conspiracies/

Prepare for the intensification of disinformation about what the 1st amendment is.

yagan · 11-01-2021 04:26PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I never mentioned BLM.

If you can't see that organisations like CNN are complicit in American's growing intolerance for one another then we fundamentally disagree.

Where did CNN incite an overthrow of government?

By inventing false equivalence you're promoting terrorism. You are a terrorism promoter.

11-01-2021 04:27PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

It's awful.stuff but Pelosi doesn't help things either. She's the wrong person to have speaking out. The Dems really need somebody else leading Congress.

Why? She's old? She's a she?

Whoever "leads" the Democrats will be demonised. Chuck Schumer? Sure he's a Jew. There'll always be some nonsense.

Overheal · 11-01-2021 04:29PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I never mentioned BLM.

If you can't see that organisations like CNN are complicit in American's growing intolerance for one another then we fundamentally disagree.

Exemplify please?

11-01-2021 04:32PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Just downloaded one of the .txt.bin files editted out the .bin part I'm left with a big list of parler.com links, a bit pointless when the site is offline... Or am I missing something?

Depends on the text making up the link at times. User Ids etc can be present

briany · 11-01-2021 04:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? She's old? She's a she?

Whoever "leads" the Democrats will be demonised. Chuck Schumer? Sure he's a Jew. There'll always be some nonsense.

They can't demonise him for being a Jew. Well, not openly anyway. Well, not openly by the ones trying to pass themselves off as respectable and not hanging white-nationalist symbols inside the US Capitol building.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 11-01-2021 04:35PM

I hope she's been having a chat with the FBI about her people who were outside possibly rioting, participating in an insurrection..

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1348311925138939905?s=19

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 04:36PM

Overheal wrote: »

https://nysba.org/new-york-state-bar-association-launches-historic-inquiry-into-removing-trump-attorney-rudy-giuliani-from-its-membership/

The New York State Bar Association (NYSBA) strongly condemned the violent uprising that occurred at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, orchestrated by individuals bent on subverting the will of the voters by disrupting the certification of the 2020 presidential election results.

Thankfully, Congress overcame this assault and fulfilled its constitutional responsibility in certifying the Biden-Harris victory. However, we must address the root cause of this abhorrent incident, the blame for which lies first and foremost with President Donald Trump.

But the president did not act alone. Hours before the angry mob stormed the Capitol walls, Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph Giuliani, addressed a crowd of thousands at the White House, reiterating baseless claims of widespread election fraud in the presidential election and the Georgia U.S. Senate runoffs.

“If we’re wrong, we will be made fools of, but if we’re right a lot of them will go to jail,” Mr. Giuliani said. “Let’s have trial by combat.”

NYSBA has received hundreds of complaints in recent months about Mr. Giuliani and his baseless efforts on behalf of President Trump to cast doubt on the veracity of the 2020 presidential election and, after the votes were cast, to overturn its legitimate results. As widely reported, these efforts included the commencement and prosecution of court actions in multiple states without any evidentiary basis whatsoever. In each and every instance, these actions were appropriately dismissed by the courts in which they were brought.

As the nation’s largest voluntary state bar association, NYSBA has a responsibility to defend and protect the rule of law. Based on these complaints, and the statement Mr. Giuliani uttered shortly before the attack on the Capitol, NYSBA President Scott M. Karson has launched an inquiry pursuant to the Association’s bylaws to determine whether Mr. Giuliani should be removed from the membership rolls of the Association.

NYSBA’s bylaws state that “no person who advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States, or of any state, territory or possession thereof, or of any political subdivision therein, by force or other illegal means, shall be a member of the Association.” Mr. Giuliani’s words quite clearly were intended to encourage Trump supporters unhappy with the election’s outcome to take matters into their own hands. Their subsequent attack on the Capitol was nothing short of an attempted coup, intended to prevent the peaceful transition of power.

Mr. Giuliani will be provided due process and have an opportunity – should he so choose – to explain and defend his words and actions.

This decision is historic for NYSBA, and we have not made it lightly. We cannot stand idly by and allow those intent on rending the fabric of our democracy to go unchecked.

Looks like he'll be losing his honorary degree too

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-honorary-degree-revoke-capitol-violence-1560439

duploelabs · 11-01-2021 04:38PM

briany wrote: »

They can't demonise him for being a Jew. Well, not openly anyway.

Well then they just dog whistle it as 'new/one world order' perhaps with a 'George Soros' added for extra Nazi flair

briany · 11-01-2021 04:41PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

I hope she's been having a chat with the FBI about her people who were outside possibly rioting, participating in an insurrection..

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1348311925138939905?s=19

Her constituents know the election was crooked. Despite no credible evidence being produced, i.e. that which you could build a court case around for example. Despite every talking point about irregularities being debunked over and over.

I would imagine there are people who think Trump knowingly colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election, even though it couldn't be conclusively proved. But you know what those people didn't do? They didn't march down to the Capitol building, led by Hillary Clinton to overturn the election result based on their personal opinion.

So, no, both sides are not as bad as each other. The Trumpist side is most definitely worse.

tigger123 · 11-01-2021 04:41PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Looks like he'll be losing his honorary degree too

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-honorary-degree-revoke-capitol-violence-1560439

Oh, the Humanities...

fly_agaric · 11-01-2021 04:43PM

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

Well, the Brothers Koch have been successful in undermining union activism and leftist agendas in colleges and administrations via all sorts of targeted propaganda. The healthcare and Education sector are great examples of how Americans have been led to believe a universal health scheme would "take away" their choice. The Koch brothers have been active on that front for 50 years trying to roll back or stem the liberal measures of progressives.

There's some people like those that one could speculate might be okay with chaos + the death of democracy in America (they'd no doubt have an "in" with the Leader/party and do very well).

However I think most of those who've funded and promoted the Republicans and their policies over last 20 years would not be pleased with it.

They only wanted delivery of ever-increasing profit via tax cuts, government spending cuts, & full regulatory capture - not political/social chaos & the US potentially transitioning into an autocracy/"managed democracy"!

For Forks Sake · 11-01-2021 04:43PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1348643852954034179?s=20

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Muahahaha · 11-01-2021 04:45PM

The Department of Defense has identified more terrorist threats from Trump supporters planning on hitting on the 20th or before

The push by House Democrats came after the office of the Colorado Democratic representative Jason Crow released a readout of a call in which army secretary Ryan McCarthy “indicated that [the Department of Defense] is aware of further possible threats posed by would-be terrorists in the days up to and including Inauguration Day”.

According to the readout, McCarthy said the Pentagon was “working with local and federal law enforcement to coordinate security preparations” for 20 January.

Crow, a former US army ranger, said he had “raised grave concerns about reports that active duty and reserve military members were involved in the insurrection” and asked that “troops deployed for the inauguration … are not sympathetic to domestic terrorists”. The readout said McCarthy agreed and said he was willing to testify publicly in the coming days.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/11/pelosi-says-house-will-proceed-with-efforts-to-remove-trump-with-urgency-25th-amendment

Incredible that the Democrat representative has to ask that military members who are sympathetic to Trump not be employed on Bidens inauguration day.

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