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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3572
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    I am and sadly I voted for this shower because I thought they were a safe pair of hands ......


  • #3573
    JacksonHeightsOwn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    Unless an option from one party was they'll close the borders then no, what's the point of an election


  • #3574
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    Thats the last thing that's needed now


  • #3575
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    The sad reality is, I dont think there is one party that is anyway convincing to be deserving of a vote at this point in time. Country is a disaster zone politically


  • #3576
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    Probably not now but ya, I hope this government falls apart during a safe time to have an election


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  • #3577
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    Unless an option from one party was they'll close the borders then no, what's the point of an election

    Only the far left of PBP seem to be proposing such a measure.

    I think you will find a larger cohort of people, as the summer rocks around will want to still go on holidays. Look at last year, loads of people still insisted on holidays etc


  • #3578
    dirk_dangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭dirk_dangler


    The HSE website states there is 45 public hospitals in the country
    From Irish times, there are 1,525 patients in hospital on Monday morning with Covid, so that is 34 per hospital.
    The number of people in intensive care (ICU) is 128, so 2.8 per hospital.

    So this is what the big panic is all about?

    I dare say you could replace Covid with Alcohol related incidents, and the numbers would be the same in the hospitals every Sunday morning.


    Mod: Banned


  • #3579
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    Opposition haven't much to offer either ....they have been sitting on the fence sniping but no real policies or serious attempt to hold the Government to account.


  • #3580
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?
    New election reform bill published, which would have an effect on how it would be run.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203311.html


  • #3581
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    titan18 wrote: »
    Probably not now but ya, I hope this government falls apart during a safe time to have an election

    Do people realise that all these decisions have been backed by the opposition.


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  • #3582
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?

    It would be a false hope. No outcome would be pleasing for anyone advocating it.

    What you choosing? More of the same, or the alternative in charge?


  • #3583
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    StevenToast wrote: »
    No

    Ah, I just noticed your username, would of loved if it had been:
    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Anyone else in the mood for a general election?
    StevenToast wrote: »
    yE46yKT.gif


  • #3584
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    robfowler78 wrote: »
    Do people realise that all these decisions have been backed by the opposition.

    I agree, they're all sh1t. I'll take some local elections, EU elections or a referendum just to vote against the government though atm.


  • #3585
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    titan18 wrote: »
    I agree, they're all sh1t. I'll take some local elections, EU elections or a referendum just to vote against the government though atm.

    Infairness and I’m not a fan of either party but it’s a **** situation for a politician open up your a killer close down your ruining the economy.

    It’s a pandemic we can’t have a fully open economy just as much as we can’t save every life. But it seems that your either on one side or the other so that leads to a no win situation.


  • #3586
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    dirk_dangler wrote: »
    The HSE website states there is 45 public hospitals in the country
    From Irish times, there are 1,525 patients in hospital on Monday morning with Covid, so that is 34 per hospital.
    The number of people in intensive care (ICU) is 128, so 2.8 per hospital.

    So this is what the big panic is all about?

    I dare say you could replace Covid with Alcohol related incidents, and the numbers would be the same in the hospitals every Sunday morning.

    Eh, 2.8 Covid patients per hospital, on top of regular ICU usage.


  • #3587
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    titan18 wrote: »
    I agree, they're all sh1t. I'll take some local elections, EU elections or a referendum just to vote against the government though atm.

    so just a negative vote really

    anyone but them?


  • #3588
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Looking for any excuse to vote against the government out of personal frustration is the democratic version of self-harming.

    Any decision to reopen schools will be based on NPHET advice, and there is no other party in this country who would do any different.


  • #3589
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    There aren't many governments in Europe who have handled this better than ours have. Some people can't face up to the reality that there are no easy magical answers to the worst pandemic in over a century, and all things considered we're in a much better position than it looked like we were going to be last March, both economically and in death toll.


  • #3590
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    146 in icu

    128 yesterday
    21 admissions
    1 discharge

    Presumably 2 deaths too.

    50% of standard icu capacity is now occupied by covid patients. Never mind people with other health needs.

    Highest level in icu with covid since 12 April.

    It’s going to be a rough few weeks. I don’t think people realise how close we are to the precipice of no return here.


  • #3591
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    It’s going to be a rough few weeks. I don’t think people realise how close we are to the precipice of no return here.


    Even if hospital numbers stabilise over the next week or so, it seems inevitable that we will run out of ICU capacity. Grim.


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  • #3592
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    seamus wrote: »
    Looking for any excuse to vote against the government out of personal frustration is the democratic version of self-harming.

    Any decision to reopen schools will be based on NPHET advice, and there is no other party in this country who would do any different.

    Expect they didnt even ask for NPHET advice last week, and they've ignored NPHET advice multiple times before anyway. if NPHET told them not to do it, I've zero confidence they wouldn't reopen them anyway like they did with hospitality.

    It's not just this I've frustration with them on either, there's a bunch of other stuff that they're fcuking up too


  • #3593
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    It’s going to be a rough few weeks. I don’t think people realise how close we are to the precipice of no return here.
    What do you mean "no return"?

    I'm genuinely surprised by how much capacity they've managed to squeeze out in the last few days. It has come about by having to do sh11ty things like cancel surgeries, but it's given me hope that we'll get past this without having to make decisions about who does and doesn't get ICU care.


  • #3594
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    seamus wrote: »
    Looking for any excuse to vote against the government out of personal frustration is the democratic version of self-harming.

    Any decision to reopen schools will be based on NPHET advice, and there is no other party in this country who would do any different.

    I must have missed NPHET advising the government to open schools for leaving cert students 3 days a week.


  • #3595
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    It’s going to be a rough few weeks. I don’t think people realise how close we are to the precipice of no return here.

    the point of no return?


  • #3596
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    seamus wrote: »
    What do you mean "no return"?

    I'm genuinely surprised by how much capacity they've managed to squeeze out in the last few days. It has come about by having to do sh11ty things like cancel surgeries, but it's given me hope that we'll get past this without having to make decisions about who does and doesn't get ICU care.

    Haven't they gotten 30% extra capacity from private hospitals too?

    Is the ireland's call thing still happening? Or has it been running all along but without that name?


  • #3597
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    Expect they didnt even ask for NPHET advice last week, and they've ignored NPHET advice multiple times before anyway. if NPHET told them not to do it, I've zero confidence they wouldn't reopen them anyway like they did with hospitality
    The HSE/NPHET positions on schools is that they are "safe" but just not worth risking with such huge community transmission. Once they view that as a much lower risk they'll recommend schools reopening. From the Varadkar comments the government still see 1 February as that date.


  • #3598
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The HSE/NPHET positions on schools is that they are "safe" but just not worth risking with such huge community transmission. Once they view that as a much lower risk they'll recommend schools reopening. From the Varadkar comments the government still see 1 February as that date.

    why the air quotes? Do you disagree with their analysis?


  • #3599
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The HSE/NPHET positions on schools is that they are "safe" but just not worth risking with such huge community transmission. Once they view that as a much lower risk they'll recommend schools reopening. From the Varadkar comments the government still see 1 February as that date.

    Considering they don't have data on if they're safe with the new variant, and UK suggested it wasn't (although worth taking anything they say with a pinch of salt anyway), I don't see how NPHET can say with any assurance that schools are safe. At best, they think they are cos of the old variant and have no actual proof behind it.


  • #3600
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    I must have missed NPHET advising the government to open schools for leaving cert students 3 days a week.
    Actually, that decision does not at all conflict with NPHET's advice.
    NPHET specifically noted that a "full" reopening of schools would present a significant risk.

    The letter is here; https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#january-2021

    The important part, which is highlighted in the letter too:
    Equally, it is my view that, while the experience from September to December 2020 has clearly demonstrated that schools are in themselves a safe environment, the current epidemiological situation has deteriorated to a point where the significant levels of mobility and linked activity that the full reopening of schools would generate, constitutes a very significant additional risk in the context of what are already unprecedented levels of disease transmission in the community.
    While I think the decision about 6th year was stupid, it's clear that partially reopening a single class of students was not in any way in conflict with NPHET advice.

    And arguably one could say that NPHET implied - by using the phrase "full reopening" - that a partial reopening was allowable.

    It amuses me how many people are crucifying the Government for not following NPHET advice to the letter, while at the same time will refuse to accept NPHET's position on schools.


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  • #3601
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually, that decision does not at all conflict with NPHET's advice.
    NPHET specifically noted that a "full" reopening of schools would present a significant risk.

    The letter is here; https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/#january-2021

    The important part, which is highlighted in the letter too:

    While I think the decision about 6th year was stupid, it's clear that partially reopening a single class of students was not in any way in conflict with NPHET advice.

    And arguably one could say that NPHET implied - by using the phrase "full reopening" - that a partial reopening was allowable.

    It amuses me how many people are crucifying the Government for not following NPHET advice to the letter, while at the same time will refuse to accept NPHET's position on schools.

    They weren't consulted on the plan:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0106/1188012-schools-leaving-cert-education/

    Unless Alan Kelly is lying about his conversation with Tony Holohan, how can you now say with any confidence that NPHET will be consulted and listened to regarding plans to reopen schools in February?


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