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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3242
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Well I suppose it's because they are profiting on sick people in a national emergency. Kinda different to compare to a cup of coffee. That's a false equivalence.

    Your question was about profiting in the pandemic. Profiting on sick people is a different question. Private hospitals are set up to profit on sick people, nothing different now. Personally I feel we should have much less private healthcare and more public healthcare, like the UK system. But we are where we are.


  • #3243
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Well I suppose it's because they are profiting on sick people in a national emergency. Kinda different to compare to a cup of coffee. That's a false equivalence.

    might as well get rid of the pharmaceutical, bio-medical and medical device industries while we're at it....those robbing bastards


  • #3244
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Your question was about profiting in the pandemic. Profiting on sick people is a different question. Private hospitals are set up to profit on sick people, nothing different now. Personally I feel we should have much less private healthcare and more public healthcare, like the UK system. But we are where we are.

    True. So do you think it is right for a private hospital to profit during a pandemic when the country is facing a critical shortage of hospital beds and or healthcare. I think it is not. Based on the fact it is a national emergency and we as the public have been asked to forgo the education of their Children in the national interest.


    The least they could do is offer cost price. RIP off republic.


  • #3245
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    True. So do you think it is right for a private hospital to profit during a pandemic when the country is facing a critical shortage of hospital beds and or healthcare. I think it is not. Based on the fact it is a national emergency and we as the public have been asked to forgo the education of their Children in the national interest.


    The least they could do is offer cost price. RIP off republic.

    You would like to think the shareholders would do it at cost price in a national emergency. But I suppose it is a matter for them and their conscience. I guess the type of individual who gets into the private healthcare business in the first place might feel comfortable profiting from sick people.

    I hope that we develop a national health service, and reduce healthcare inequality. It is a massive issue for treating many killer diseases - cancer, heart disease etc.


  • #3246
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Seems there is another new variant, via Brazil and found in Japan. Similar to the other two apparently.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-finds-new-COVID-virus-strain-distinct-from-UK-and-Africa-types


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  • #3247
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    arccosh wrote: »
    might as well get rid of the pharmaceutical, bio-medical and medical device industries while we're at it....those robbing bastards

    Who said get rid of. That is a straw man argument. Let's go back to the original argument. Should they be creaming 20% on someone needing oxygen to stay alive?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55170756


    What are they charging?
    Some firms don't want to be seen to be profiting from the global crisis, especially after receiving so much outside funding. The large US drugmaker, Johnson & Johnson, and the UK's AstraZeneca, which is working with a University of Oxford-based biotech company, have pledged to sell the vaccine at a price that just covers their costs. AstraZeneca's currently looks set to be the cheapest at $4 (£3) per dose.
    Moderna, a small biotechnology firm, which has been working on the technology behind its ground-breaking RNA vaccine for years, is pricing theirs much higher, at up to $37 per dose. Its aim is to make some profit for the firms' shareholders (although part of the higher price will also cover the costs of transporting those vaccines at very low temperatures).

    538998.png


  • #3248
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    VHI and the likes must be feeling the pinch, if the plan doesn't guarantee a private room I cant see many takers


  • #3249
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Who said get rid of. That is a straw man argument. Let's go back to the original argument. Should they be creaming 20% on someone needing oxygen to stay alive?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55170756





    538998.png

    funding development is one thing.... buying end product is another...

    don't get me wrong, a lot of funders will be doing out of the good of their heart.... a lot will be doing it from a complete investment perspective

    edit: just to add... why do you think Astra had so many private funds? because they hedged their bets on backing the vaccine that would be cheap, transportable which would result on the biggest widespread use.... i.e. biggest return on investment...


  • #3250
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think this is a pretty good illustration of the effect of the variant or of Christmas but most likely both.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1348080234265006082?s=20

    The government should have a lot to answer for for opening up just in time for Christmas. We all saw what effect Thanksgiving had in Canada and the US. Why did they think things would be any different here?


  • #3251
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    The government should have a lot to answer for for opening up just in time for Christmas. We all saw what effect Thanksgiving had in Canada and the US. Why did they think things would be any different there?

    Its clear a mistake was made


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  • #3252
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Well I suppose it's because they are profiting on sick people in a national emergency. Kinda different to compare to a cup of coffee. That's a false equivalence.

    The private hospitals though have invested in infrastructure and the facilities that the government haven’t - which the government now needs...

    So it’s the price that the government / hse and people have to pay for our ****ty health system...

    Laziness and unwillingness to change hse means the easy option for past 20 years was to let a high % of people pay for their own healthcare... they outsourced the problem rather than dealing with it and now they need to foot that bill


  • #3253
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    The government should have a lot to answer for for opening up just in time for Christmas. We all saw what effect Thanksgiving had in Canada and the US. Why did they think things would be any different there?
    They were giving people a respite, a good thing of itself, but they didn't expect people to just do a normal type of Christmas. Common sense and caution would have left us with much lower numbers.


  • #3254
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    The private hospitals though have invested in infrastructure and the facilities that the government haven’t - which the government now needs...

    So it’s the price that the government / hse and people have to pay for our ****ty health system...

    Laziness and unwillingness to change hse means the easy option for past 20 years was to let a high % of people pay for their own healthcare... they outsourced the problem rather than dealing with it and now they need to foot that bill

    Although it's not right in the current pandemic, I do agree with the sentiment.... the government shouldn't be in this position in the first place...

    but, here we are.....


  • #3255
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Be interesting to see if these new variants start to circulate in China with their new year celebrations, which lets face it was the powder keg for the original Covid spreading.


  • #3256
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Its clear a mistake was made

    Yet none of them are accountable. They lie to our faces that they couldn't have predicted this and then cite anybody questiong them as playing the blame game.

    The truth is many of them have put short term economical gain over the health of our nation.

    Its despicable.


  • #3257
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348318121132699648


  • #3258
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Who said get rid of. That is a straw man argument. Let's go back to the original argument. Should they be creaming 20% on someone needing oxygen to stay alive?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55170756





    538998.png



    I don’t think that’s accurate- moderna was heavily funded through warp speed

    The bbc graph may be talking about British government only

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6398486002


  • #3259
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Yesterday’s progress short lived


  • #3260
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Yesterday’s progress short lived

    I suspect there is the rest of the backlog in there


  • #3261
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Yesterday’s progress short lived

    Well nobody really knows until tomorrow when swab numbers are published.


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  • #3262
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Stheno wrote: »
    I suspect there is the rest of the backlog in there

    Will be good to have the back log cleared and be able to see daily figures closer to reality.

    I’m sure it still won’t be pretty for a few more weeks.


  • #3263
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think this is a pretty good illustration of the effect of the variant or of Christmas but most likely both.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1348080234265006082?s=20

    So he's basically saying we wont be having a St Patricks Day parade this year?


  • #3264
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They were giving people a respite, a good thing of itself, but they didn't expect people to just do a normal type of Christmas. Common sense and caution would have left us with much lower numbers.

    Going into Level 5 for 6 weeks and coming out of it in time to have a “meaningful Christmas” was irresponsible messaging. People took that as we’ll do lockdown to save Christmas and sure we’ll lockdown again in January as no one does anything then anyway. It was obvious what was going to happen. Not least because it also happened in the US and Canada at Thanksgiving and they didn’t have such a harsh lockdown beforehand.


  • #3265
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Yesterday’s progress short lived
    Daily cases are not reliable but be interesting to see if we are at peak over the next week.


  • #3266
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    arccosh wrote: »
    funding development is one thing.... buying end product is another...

    don't get me wrong, a lot of funders will be doing out of the good of their heart.... a lot will be doing it from a complete investment perspective

    edit: just to add... why do you think Astra had so many private funds? because they hedged their bets on backing the vaccine that would be cheap, transportable which would result on the biggest widespread use.... i.e. biggest return on investment...

    Yeah good points. I agree with you on all of it. I guess I just find hard that a company profit on a person needing urgent medical care to survive. I think it is Amoral. The fact the gov condones it shows they don't have the people's interest at heart. It's the wrong time to line pockets. Call me naive.


  • #3267
    [Deleted User]
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    DebDynamite wrote: »
    The government should have a lot to answer for for opening up just in time for Christmas. We all saw what effect Thanksgiving had in Canada and the US. Why did they think things would be any different here?

    If we hadn’t maintained the restrictions that we did through the summer and autumn, and opened up more like other EU countries, then there wouldn’t have been the pressure for a Christmas opening up and a sudden release of the pressure. That was a miscalculation by NPHET


  • #3268
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Yesterday’s progress short lived

    Without seeing the swab data, and with a significant backlog still there as of yesterday, we have literally no way of knowing whether today's numbers are bad, very bad or ok.


  • #3269
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They're still clearing the backlog by the looks of it. Still too early to see what way things are going, my own county, Wicklow is considerably higher today than yesterday but tbh I don't think it means a jot until the backlog is cleared.
    Probably still be next weekend before we can get a true picture.


  • #3270
    Vinnie222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    So he's basically saying we wont be having a St Patricks Day parade this year?

    You hardly expect parades to be happening


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  • #3271
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348318121132699648

    A lot of cases obviously. Hopefully a large proportion of them are backlog cases.
    We'll find out tomorrow.


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