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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3212
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    giveitholly wrote: »
    A lot of posters here are saying our track and trace system isn't up to scratch and until it is then certain restrictions can't be lifted. But surely the track and trace system can only be as good as the buy in from the people in this country. If people will not answer phones,give a full list of contacts then does it matter how good or bad the system is. If people are out and about and visiting while awaiting results or positive(which happened a lot in December) then the track and trace system will fail no matter what

    They are not testing asymptomatic contacts of a positive case . People are buying in and giving a full list of contacts and they are not being tested


  • #3213
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    Water2021 wrote: »

    Ivor is an engineer, Nurse John is well, a nurse

    A chemical engineer... with a background in medical devices...

    A nurse is far more qualified than him in regards to human health and the hospital environment....

    Even my relations who work admin in a few HSE hospitals are more informed than Ivor in regards to the situation currently in our hospitals...


  • #3214
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    The restrictions lift when people say enough is enough.

    Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is insanity.

    Government and NPHET won’t lift restrictions as they are concerned. Same concerned with 5000 cases as the concern was with 5 cases last summer.

    We’re in for a long haul this time unfortunately.

    No plan just wait for the snail pace vaccine to be rolled out.

    But they’re not expecting different results, they know exactly what lockdowns do, no ?

    If having a different plan was all it took to solve this, someone would have tried it by now.


  • #3215
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oxygen is the next big stumbling block. Critically low across Ireland.


  • #3216
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Government and NPHET won’t lift restrictions as they are concerned. Same concerned with 5000 cases as the concern was with 5 cases last summer.

    Both were at a different time and with different response/preparation.


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  • #3217
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oxygen is the next big stumbling block. Critically low across Ireland.

    I'm looking at some in front of me right now


  • #3218
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    arccosh wrote: »
    I'm looking at some in front of me right now

    You should let your local hospital know.


  • #3219
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You should let your local hospital know.

    Is it getting that bad? I was under the impression there was lots of oxygen in reserve for this surge? :confused:


  • #3220
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    he is right unfortunately


  • #3221
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
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    arccosh wrote: »
    he is right unfortunately

    The HSE have mitigation strategies to reduce oxygen consumption and to acquire the necessary supplies if necessary without compromising patient care! Our health is extremely resilient! But we all need to play our part. I now socialise on boards instead of outside with my friends 😂 I cannot catch Covid off the forum and it helps with the loneliness!


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  • #3222
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?

    Like others have said, with new variants at play it looks almost certain level 5 will last to at least paddy's day and maybe we'll beyond. I think schools may open up after that along with construction again.

    Hopefully after that if things have improved enough we may see level 3 or 4 come in late spring/ early summer. And we will probably vary between them levels and further lock downs during the summer, depending on how bad these new variants get and if we see more variants come along to mess things up further.


  • #3223
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Ivor is great at being consistently wrong. Clearly delusional. He needs to update his twitter bio...
    Technical Manager / Team Leader, Biochemical Engineer, Complex Problem Solving Specialist, Technologist

    He left out bulls!tter.


  • #3224
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    It is extremely irresponsible of people on here even suggesting oxygen shortages.

    If oxygen supplies are under pressure more will be delivered, plain and simple. Stop it.


  • #3225
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    giveitholly wrote: »
    A lot of posters here are saying our track and trace system isn't up to scratch and until it is then certain restrictions can't be lifted. But surely the track and trace system can only be as good as the buy in from the people in this country. If people will not answer phones,give a full list of contacts then does it matter how good or bad the system is. If people are out and about and visiting while awaiting results or positive(which happened a lot in December) then the track and trace system will fail no matter what

    Its very easy to say a press conference that people aren't engaging and blame the public. Dig deeper and you hear stories, of unknown numbers outside office hours and no messages being left. I wouldn't answer an unknown or private in the evening.
    Surely it wouldn't be that hard to add a covid contact tracer caller id to the phone numbers used.


  • #3226
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    arccosh wrote: »
    A chemical engineer... with a background in medical devices...

    A nurse is far more qualified than him in regards to human health and the hospital environment....

    Even my relations who work admin in a few HSE hospitals are more informed than Ivor in regards to the situation currently in our hospitals...

    Ivor is a grifter who begs for money at the start of every video. He was flogging wonder diets before covid hit. His statistical conclusions are laughable to anyone who can even remember their junior certs maths. I have no idea how he has taken so many people in. It's the age we live in I suppose....


  • #3227
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    prunudo wrote: »
    Its very easy to say a press conference that people aren't engaging and blame the public. Dig deeper and you hear stories, of unknown numbers outside office hours and no messages being left. I wouldn't answer an unknown or private in the evening.
    Surely it wouldn't be that hard to add a covid contact tracer caller id to the phone numbers used.

    Fair enough but there are plenty of posts here on boards across all the different threads of posters knowing people who were positive,waiting on results or known close contacts who have visited family,gone to pubs or funerals. I know a fella close to me who has symptoms,his girlfriend tested positive and he won't go for a test. While the majority are buying into it the small few must be causing big issues


  • #3228
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    It is extremely irresponsible of people on here even suggesting oxygen shortages.

    If oxygen supplies are under pressure more will be delivered, plain and simple. Stop it.

    poster said critically low.... not a shortage....

    there are agreements with suppliers for HSE preference for medical gases and there is in place an emergency buffer for the case of a cut in supply...

    however, yes, supplies are getting close to that buffer


  • #3229
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    It is extremely irresponsible of people on here even suggesting oxygen shortages.

    If oxygen supplies are under pressure more will be delivered, plain and simple. Stop it.

    And absolutely terrifying for anyone who is caring for a sick loved one who could read it . So irresponsible


  • #3230
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And absolutely terrifying for anyone who is caring for a sick loved one who could read it . So irresponsible

    We have in my opinion one of the best health systems in the world! I have experience of other health-systems. Give me the Irish system every time. I would willingly pick critical care in this country! Look, it has its imperfections! But there are a hell of a lot of frontline workers and HSE people actively trying to mitigate the crisis. They can achieve incredible things! They are helping us, so let’s help them and stop the spread!


  • #3231
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Like others have said, with new variants at play it looks almost certain level 5 will last to at least paddy's day and maybe we'll beyond. I think schools may open up after that along with construction again.

    Hopefully after that if things have improved enough we may see level 3 or 4 come in late spring/ early summer. And we will probably vary between them levels and further lock downs during the summer, depending on how bad these new variants get and if we see more variants come along to mess things up further.

    Schools and construction will be open well before Paddys day. Everything else, no idea whatsoever.


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  • #3232
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Is it ethical to profit in a pandemic? discuss....... I'm not sure.

    Particularly interested in the opinions of contrarians with recently created accounts.

    https://twitter.com/RBoydBarrett/status/1348239220217950208?s=20


  • #3233
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Schools and construction will be open well before Paddys day. Everything else, no idea whatsoever.

    Looks like opening will be delayed now

    Fears of being overwhelmed by spread of new variants


  • #3234
    seamusk84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Looks like opening will be delayed now

    Fears of being overwhelmed by spread of new variants

    So depressing at this stage. How much more of this can we actually take as a nation.


  • #3235
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    From The Guardian: US researchers found that antibodies collected from former patients very rarely targeted parts of the virus that were mutated in the new variant. Their work suggests only half a percent of individuals are at risk of having reduced protection against the variant, named B.1.1.7.

    That's a relief.


  • #3236
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Is it ethical to profit in a pandemic? discuss.......

    https://twitter.com/RBoydBarrett/status/1348239220217950208?s=20

    business is business, supply and demand.... every country has been stitched up over something during the pandemic.... the UK paid a nice £12bn for PPE which the year before would have cost them £2bn.... it recently came out that 30-40% can't even be used as it doesn't meet standards...

    the vaccine will have countries shafted either through supply chain or admin...

    all private hospitals have in their operating contracts that in state emergency cases they need to take x% of their operating capability.... unfortunately, those contracts seem to be water tight where the government have no wiggle room.... so it's either sort the deal before hand, or pay exuberant prices after all this has settled down...

    is it ethical? personally I think not...

    will anything be done? The government have the power to use private hospitals, but that is at the risk of legal battles thereafter from them to "recoup" costs... although it seems like the government is floundering on it, I think the better long term option is to get a usage deal in place to minimise spend down the line (when the country will definitely need it).


  • #3237
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I think this is a pretty good illustration of the effect of the variant or of Christmas but most likely both.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1348080234265006082?s=20


  • #3238
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think this is a pretty good illustration of the effect of the variant or of Christmas but most likely both.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1348080234265006082?s=20

    In all fairness, isn't there a strong likelihood that the US figures are a crock of **** cause of how the Trump admin changed how it got reported?


  • #3239
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Is it ethical to profit in a pandemic? discuss....... I'm not sure.

    Lots and lots of businesses have done well in the pandemic - supermarkets, off licenses, ppe suppliers, Netflix, etc etc. My local coffee shop has been booming for months with take away coffee. I don't see any reason to single out private hospitals.


  • #3240
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Lots and lots of businesses have done well in the pandemic - supermarkets, off licenses, ppe suppliers, Netflix, etc etc. My local coffee shop has been booming for months with take away coffee. I don't see any reason to single out private hospitals.

    Well I suppose it's because they are profiting on sick people in a national emergency. Kinda different to compare to a cup of coffee. That's a false equivalence.


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  • #3241
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Like others have said, with new variants at play it looks almost certain level 5 will last to at least paddy's day and maybe we'll beyond. I think schools may open up after that along with construction again.

    Hopefully after that if things have improved enough we may see level 3 or 4 come in late spring/ early summer. And we will probably vary between them levels and further lock downs during the summer, depending on how bad these new variants get and if we see more variants come along to mess things up further.

    Why would we need full blown lockdowns in the summer when 1. Lots of people will be vaccinated 2. Numbers reduced everywhere last summer so it’s at least somewhat seasonal?

    People have such short memories. Life was actually somewhat normal last summer for a while despite NPHET being ultra cautious with reopening.


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