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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3182
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Paul Reid said the state is using private hospitals now.

    So why isn't the measures as strong as last March? McDonald's still open etc.

    McDonald’s didn’t have to close they chose to close. They now have a system in place for social distancing so open for drive through and take away. Couldn’t be safer tbh.


  • #3183
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Paul Reid said the state is using private hospitals now.

    So why isn't the measures as strong as last March? McDonald's still open etc.

    McDonald's is open for drive through and delivery only.
    Back in March they were still allowed stay open, but choose to close for a few weeks. The likes of burger king and KFC stayed open through out (for drive through)


  • #3184
    Water2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Water2021


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Those of you that hate Ivor Cummins will enjoy this thread

    https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1348042100777082881?s=19

    Lets be honest we all don't have a clue, yourself included Tony

    I do hate the people making money of this on both sides like Ivor and that nurse John on Youtube


  • #3185
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Rumours and gossip about nurse manager jumping the queue isn't helpful. It's whatsapp level crap. Hospitals are hotbeds of gossip.

    A unit or a hospital gets sent a batch of vaccine doses. They have a certain number of staff who are part of the current cohort due to receive it. But there may be more doses in the batch than staff due to receive it. This can't just be sent back, it has to be used. And they can't just box it up and leg it down to the nearest nursing home to distribute it.

    So they open the floor to other staff to receive it. And if they exhaust them too, they come up with other allocation methods, such as finding staff with vulnerable family members.

    Demanding that the vaccine is strictly allocated by cohort and nobody ever jumps the queue means that you will waste thousands of doses.

    The current way may be a little unfair but it means nothing is going to waste.


  • #3186
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    seamus wrote: »
    Rumours and gossip about nurse manager jumping the queue isn't helpful. It's whatsapp level crap. Hospitals are hotbeds of gossip.

    A unit or a hospital gets sent a batch of vaccine doses. They have a certain number of staff who are part of the current cohort due to receive it. But there may be more doses in the batch than staff due to receive it. This can't just be sent back, it has to be used. And they can't just box it up and leg it down to the nearest nursing home to distribute it.

    So they open the floor to other staff to receive it. And if they exhaust them too, they come up with other allocation methods, such as finding staff with vulnerable family members.

    Demanding that the vaccine is strictly allocated by cohort and nobody ever jumps the queue means that you will waste thousands of doses.

    The current way may be a little unfair but it means nothing is going to waste.

    They can't

    Would the patients not be deserving of a dose before staff family members ?
    I doubt a hospital would have to leg it down to a nursing home they have wards full of vulnerable patients


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  • #3187
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Water2021 wrote: »
    Lets be honest we all don't have a clue, yourself included Tony

    I do hate the people making money of this on both sides like Ivor and that nurse John on Youtube

    Just because you don't know what's going on, you don't get to project it onto others.
    Is there something you'd like help with to understand?

    I have no problem with someone making money for their analysis. It's dangerous liars I object to


  • #3188
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    seamus wrote: »
    So they open the floor to other staff to receive it. And if they exhaust them too, they come up with other allocation methods, such as finding staff with vulnerable family members.

    In such a case of course it won’t be only top managers bringing their vulnerable family members in. It would be done in an organised fair manner.


  • #3189
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    nwl (@nwl88444048) Tweeted:
    Paul Reid says that all but Denis O'Brien's [Beacon] private hospital have signed up to the new deal, and says discussions are continuing this weekend with Denis.
    Is Denis holding out for a higher rate?
    Is Brian Cowen still a director of Beacon? https://t.co/E13wifyuqt https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1348258727363825666?s=20

    Speaking of reprehensible charlatans who should be in jail making money.


  • #3190
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    nwl (@nwl88444048) Tweeted:
    Paul Reid says that all but Denis O'Brien's [Beacon] private hospital have signed up to the new deal, and says discussions are continuing this weekend with Denis.
    Is Denis holding out for a higher rate?
    Is Brian Cowen still a director of Beacon? https://t.co/E13wifyuqt https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1348258727363825666?s=20

    Speaking of reprehensible charlatans who should be in jail making money.

    A quick Google will tell you why because they already have public paitents, wont see that on twitter though


    "a spokeswoman for Beacon Hospital said it did not expect to take part in the scheme as it already had in place arrangements with individual public hospitals and the National Treatment Purchase Fund (NTPF) to treat public patients.

    She said about 20 per cent of capacity at the hospital was currently devoted to supporting the public system and about 50 per cent of those in its intensive care facilities were public patients."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-almost-all-private-hospitals-agree-to-take-public-patients-1.4453208


  • #3191
    greenheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭greenheep


    I saw online a guy from America in his 20's was in a shopping mall towards the end of the day and a pharmacist there was going around looking for volunteers to take a vaccine they had left over due to some people not turning up. They wanted to give it out to someone/anyone rather than throw it away.

    People were joking that they would start hanging around shopping malls at the end of the day and hope to get lucky


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  • #3192
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭oceanman


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    nwl (@nwl88444048) Tweeted:
    Paul Reid says that all but Denis O'Brien's [Beacon] private hospital have signed up to the new deal, and says discussions are continuing this weekend with Denis.
    Is Denis holding out for a higher rate?
    Is Brian Cowen still a director of Beacon? https://t.co/E13wifyuqt https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1348258727363825666?s=20

    Speaking of reprehensible charlatans who should be in jail making money.
    how would you make money in jail?


  • #3193
    Water2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Water2021


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Just because you don't know what's going on, you don't get to project it onto others.
    Is there something you'd like help with to understand?

    I have no problem with someone making money for their analysis. It's dangerous liars I object to

    You've no clue either Tony

    Your not a virologist

    What are your medical qualifications even?

    Who are you?

    You read reddit, twitter like the rest of us, pretending to understand it but would be left red-faced in a room of epidemiologists, you wouldn't know RNA if it hit you in the head but post studies about it here

    Ivor is an engineer, Nurse John is well, a nurse

    They should both shut up


  • #3194
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Water2021 wrote: »
    You've no clue either Tony

    Your not a virologist

    What are your medical qualifications even?

    Who are you?

    You read reddit, twitter like the rest of us, pretending to understand it but would be left red-faced in a room of epidemiologists, you wouldn't know RNA if it hit you in the head but post studies about it here

    Ivor is an engineer, Nurse John is well, a nurse

    They should both shut up

    Campbell has predicted quite accurately what's likely to happen in this pandemic, its why alot of people trust his input


  • #3195
    Water2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Water2021


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Campbell has predicted quite accurately what's likely to happen in this pandemic, its why alot of people trust his input

    I've watched him from the start and he predicted nothing, has very little ideas

    He plagiarises others work, reads off his notes gotten from others and has no business being on news channels being interviewed like he knows something

    Hes as bad as Ivor, who to be far to him, has some ideas, bad ones but ideas

    I've no problem with Luke O'Neill and the like doing interviews and making money off this, the man is an expert in his field and qualified to talk about it


  • #3196
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Take on some kind of a physical health challenge for 3 weeks. Eg daily HIIT program, building up to 12 rounds of Sun Salutation in one go, walking to 5km and back twice a day, get a punch bag and learn it, skipping. Anything physical. Gets you out of your head and channels the energy of depression and anger and disperses it. Honestly use the next few weeks productively. Or if you dont like physical stuff pick a set of books and read them. Or paint all the windows. Or prep a veg garden space. Do something.

    Great advice. Many people have never been fitter . Make the most of the downtime.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #3197
    JJandthebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭JJandthebear


    Water2021 wrote: »
    I've watched him from the start and he predicted nothing, has very little ideas

    He plagiarises others work, reads off his notes gotten from others and has no business being on news channels being interviewed like he knows something

    Hes as bad as Ivor, who to be far to him, has some ideas, bad ones but ideas

    I've no problem with Luke O'Neill and the like doing interviews and making money off this, the man is an expert in his field and qualified to talk about it

    So someone interpreting and reporting on the science at hand vs someone who is making up any old bollix and pushing it as fact. But you want to credit Cummings for having 'ideas'.
    If this was a creative fiction class then you might have something but instead this soft headed idiot is spouting dangerous twaddle to a captive audience on twitter.


  • #3198
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Water2021 wrote: »
    I've watched him from the start and he predicted nothing, has very little ideas

    He plagiarises others work, reads off his notes gotten from others and has no business being on news channels being interviewed like he knows something

    Hes as bad as Ivor, who to be far to him, has some ideas, bad ones but ideas

    I've no problem with Luke O'Neill and the like doing interviews and making money off this, the man is an expert in his field and qualified to talk about it

    What do you think of Tomas Ryan?

    Interviewed as an expert but not quite sure he should be but perhaps I am wrong.


  • #3199
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Water2021 wrote: »
    I've watched him from the start and he predicted nothing, has very little ideas

    He plagiarises others work, reads off his notes gotten from others and has no business being on news channels being interviewed like he knows something

    Plagiarism is passing other people’s work off as your own. Dr John always quotes sources of the information he discusses, leaves links and gives his interpretation of information he openly confirms is other people’s work. Whatever word you want to use to try to discredit Dr John, plagerism is not one.

    You say he doesn’t make his own notes, so who does?

    A lot of misguided people like yourself don’t really know what you are talking about. Unfortunately there’s a lot of you around spouting nonsense. People seem genuinely intimidated by Dr John and try to discredit him with baseless waffle. He’s “just a nurse” in the same way Stephen Seagal was “just a cook” in under siege. There’s far more to Dr John’s credentials and knowledge then the lazy narrative you’ve tried to paint.


  • #3200
    Lollipop95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?


  • #3201
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Would the patients not be deserving of a dose before staff family members ?
    I doubt a hospital would have to leg it down to a nursing home they have wards full of vulnerable patients

    If it was a single dose vaccine that could work, but trying to arrange for patients to get the second jab may be difficult. Unless of course they have patients which would be in hospital for 3 weeks, which is of course possible.


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  • #3202
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?

    Hard to tell. It looks like the "strategy" of spending a couple of months in lockdown to buy a month in level 3 may not be feasible with the new variants of covid. I would hope and expect to see a very cautious reopening towards the end of February as we did in the old Phase 1 in May.


  • #3203
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Now 1,421 people in hospital with confirmed #COVID19

    Another increase of more than 100 people

    On New Year’s Eve, it was 491

    Source Richard Chambers
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3204
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,683 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Now 1,421 people in hospital with confirmed #COVID19

    Another increase of more than 100 people

    On New Year’s Eve, it was 491

    Source Richard Chambers

    Varadkar said 3000 worst case. Looking more like the realistic number


  • #3205
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Vietnam are limiting flights to the Moon. I guess thats one place you dont want an outbreak. I dont know what the ICU capacity is.

    Vietnam limits lunar flights


  • #3206
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?
    How long is a piece of string?

    If I recall correctly 0.4 was about the lowest we managed to get the R0 to during the last lockdown. We're starting from a higher number of daily cases, add the possibility of the UK strain adding 0.4 to 0.7 to the R0 and I'd guess it's going to be longer than our previous lockdown.

    I can't see it happening until ICU, hospital and daily case numbers fall significantly and our track and trace system is functioning effectively, including the timely tracing and testing of close contacts (symptomatic and asymptomatic).


  • #3207
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?

    It will definitely go beyond St Patricks Day

    Couldn't have anything open before a Bank Holiday in this country


  • #3208
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I would hypothesise that the R0 was actually less than the published value in April and May. During this time, at the peaks, our testing capacity was very limited and as case numbers fell we were picking up more cases as our testing improved.

    If the restrictions are being followed, the UK variant will have less of an impact because in periods like this the primary source of transmission is in households, where measures aren’t being undertaken to prevent spread.


  • #3209
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?

    The restrictions lift when people say enough is enough.

    Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is insanity.

    Government and NPHET won’t lift restrictions as they are concerned. Same concerned with 5000 cases as the concern was with 5 cases last summer.

    We’re in for a long haul this time unfortunately.

    No plan just wait for the snail pace vaccine to be rolled out.


  • #3210
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    A lot of posters here are saying our track and trace system isn't up to scratch and until it is then certain restrictions can't be lifted. But surely the track and trace system can only be as good as the buy in from the people in this country. If people will not answer phones,give a full list of contacts then does it matter how good or bad the system is. If people are out and about and visiting while awaiting results or positive(which happened a lot in December) then the track and trace system will fail no matter what


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  • #3211
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    It will definitely go beyond St Patricks Day

    Couldn't have anything open before a Bank Holiday in this country

    Certainly not after the level of fcukwittery people got up to before Christmas. Once bitten and all that...


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