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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3092
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    You’re right, the poster knows more than the Professor of Clinical Medicine, who is currently tending to the sick C-19 patients. I was just being contrary, to hurt the poster’s feelings!

    None of this is personal. I was simply pointing out who this random tweeter was. My posts were factually based. I don’t wish to hurt anybody’s feelings. But I cannot standby, and allow a healthcare working to be derided, when he is currently looking after the likes of us.

    At first he didn’t know who the tweet was from, that was the start of the pile on. As I said if it makes people feel better so be it. I think it’s pathetic but that’s just me. Anyway said my piece.


  • #3093
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Opinions are easy to have. They may have about their section of the coalface but not enough to make judgements based on the overall strategy. If Paul Reid or Liam Woods offer opinions they are worth noting, because they have all the information to hand.

    He is pointing out an observation. I think that if the public sits up and actually listens and realises the gravity of the situation, then the tweet has a positive effect. We need to salvage the situation. I was driving close to where I live yesterday, and I saw several families congregated. These people need to pay heed to the message.


  • #3094
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Opinions are easy to have. They may have about their section of the coalface but not enough to make judgements based on the overall strategy. If Paul Reid or Liam Woods offer opinions they are worth noting, because they have all the information to hand.

    We have information at hand too.

    37 available ICU beds. 17 admissions in the last 24 hours.
    Sounds to me like the doctor is probably ****ing right.

    Fancy that


  • #3095
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,455 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Always amusing to watch the ‘pile on’ here. Feel better folks?

    Yeah and this time they are piling on one of the best posters on Boards. A person I have disagreed with in the past but an entirely rational and knowledgeable poster all the same. And they are completely missing his point but adding plenty of emotive whataboutery. Gas.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #3096
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Yeah and this time they are piling on one of the best posters on Boards. A person I have disagreed with in the past but an entirely rational and knowledgeable poster all the same. Gas.

    The purpose of Boards is that we can express our opinion on a topic. That poster expressed his opinion. People countered his opinion with their own. I did not realise that expressing an opinion (and none of these expressions in offensive terms) constitutes a pile on.


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  • #3097
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Are Emotions running at Level 5 this morning?
    ;)

    Feed the birds folks. They're starving.

    Surge capacity.


  • #3098
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Fantastic news that staff at TUH are getting the vaccine and it might lighten the load with less out sick in the future


  • #3099
    Steven81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Steven81


    My wife works on the covid ward and has been since the start apart from the times when it was quiet and no patients.

    She got the phonecall on Wednesday asking her if she would like the vaccine on friday, as she was working thursday, sat and sunday she asked for one of them days as she isnt local and was pencilled in for yesterday evening. Her manager told her to get down and get the vaccine at 2pm, all the admin staff got themselves in friday, some who werent on the plan, retired higher up managers and one of the top managers family were all in and vaccinated. She said there is absolute uproar in there. If she had put herself in for the sunday they would have been all gone, these are the people who are gowned up and on the front line.

    There are going to be some stories going around with people getting delayed who need it and others jumping the queue because they know the right people.


  • #3100
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Wombatman wrote: »
    I doubt the current advise is that schools are safe. What characteristics of schools make them safer than any other workplace?
    It is indeed the current advice. NPHET's letter to the government was published last week. On mobile so can't find a handy link.

    Summary was that there was no evidence of any substantial spread caused in or by Irish schools. The international evidence was noted and the situation continually watched, but as of now NPHET is confident that schools themselves in Ireland are not a major issue.

    Given the high numbers at the moment and their primary stated aim of getting people to stay at home as much as possible, having millions of parents going to schools and back again would run contrary to that, so NPHET recommended schools close on that basis.

    This is why Norma was going to bring 6th year back; they don't get dropped off by parents.

    Schools will come back faster than people expect.


  • #3101
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Prof OConnor is someone I’ve been following on twitter a long time. He tweets about everything and comes across as a sound individual. He’s not prone to exaggeration on this at all


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  • #3102
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Opinions are easy to have. They may have about their section of the coalface but not enough to make judgements based on the overall strategy. If Paul Reid or Liam Woods offer opinions they are worth noting, because they have all the information to hand.

    He was the consultant on call for the past 24h for one of the main hospitals in the country. He oversaw and was responsible for every admission to that hospital during that time. I think he's pretty well informed of the overall state of the hospital situation.


  • #3103
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    What is it looking like the peak of hospitalisations going to be? I can't believe how much it keeps growing, the rate of growth of hospital admissions hasn't even levelled off much less the total number, seems like it'll be easily in the 3,000 range by the peak

    It's on course to be 3000 in 5 days. Hopefully the restrictions will start coming through and dampen the growth.


  • #3104
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    seamus wrote: »

    Schools will come back faster than people expect.

    They are currently expected back on 1st February. When are you predicting?


  • #3105
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Rosita wrote: »
    They are currently expected back on 1st February. When are you predicting?

    On that date, but faster!


  • #3106
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    is_that_so wrote: »
    All 86 of them?

    I'm sure Beaumont, James' & Cork all of which have even higher Covid admission rates & ICU occupancy would agree with him.


  • #3107
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    is_that_so wrote: »
    All 86 of them?

    You really have the knife out for this frontline worker. Is it personal or do you think similar of all the healthcare workers?


  • #3108
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Steven81 wrote: »
    Her manager told her to get down and get the vaccine at 2pm, all the admin staff got themselves in friday, some who werent on the plan, retired higher up managers and one of the top managers family were all in and vaccinated. She said there is absolute uproar in there.

    That would be some scandal if true.


  • #3109
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    Wombatman wrote: »
    I doubt the current advise is that schools are safe. What characteristics of schools make them safer than any other workplace?

    The schools are safe mantra is nonsense. Recent data from the UK shows schools are a key driver in spread. NPHET said that schools are safe relative to the community. Now that the R number is so high, a slightly less high R number in schools is still a problematic R number.

    Most schools support remote working. We are told people are to work from home where possible. Let's get students and teachers working remotely and get away from this fixation with open or closed.

    Open schools provide childcare for working parents. This is the reason we kept the schools open. If we open them again for this reason, let's call it out and acknowledge that we are accepting the risk, instead of going on about the schools are safe bullsh1t.
    About time this was said amd schools safe lie nailed. Theyre not


  • #3110
    Lemonzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭Lemonzero


    When the level 5 restrictions lifted in December there were approx 300 cases and they escalated within weeks to the crisis we are in now in.I do not see how schools can open until cases are way lower than that baseline without risking an immediate upsurge again.I think we could be in for a few months of school closures /remote learning until the vaccine takes effect.


  • #3111
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Steven81 wrote: »
    My wife works on the covid ward and has been since the start apart from the times when it was quiet and no patients.

    She got the phonecall on Wednesday asking her if she would like the vaccine on friday, as she was working thursday, sat and sunday she asked for one of them days as she isnt local and was pencilled in for yesterday evening. Her manager told her to get down and get the vaccine at 2pm, all the admin staff got themselves in friday, some who werent on the plan, retired higher up managers and one of the top managers family were all in and vaccinated. She said there is absolute uproar in there. If she had put herself in for the sunday they would have been all gone, these are the people who are gowned up and on the front line.

    There are going to be some stories going around with people getting delayed who need it and others jumping the queue because they know the right people.

    Surely anyone giving the vaccine to people who are not eligible should be up on charges


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  • #3112
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    We have information at hand too.

    37 available ICU beds. 17 admissions in the last 24 hours.
    Sounds to me like the doctor is probably ****ing right.

    Fancy that

    To be fair the same Doc was seeking relaxation of restrictions at various points and now admits he is wrong.

    The poster you are attacking has been one of the most balanced here for some time, and has not held back when reacting to some of the mad stuff from the relaxers.


  • #3113
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So it's ok to character assassinate him because he isn't satisfied with the surge planning. The guy is a leader in his field and putting himself on the line. He doesn't need to be slandered by a randomer because he tweeted a request.

    I don't like to engage in what if's but if he is tweeting it's probably because he isn't satisfied with the response he got from his boss or the HSE.

    We saw the same thing with respiratory consultants in Jame's st hospital at the start of the pandemic pleading for people to donate PPE at the start in march / April.

    https://twitter.com/annemar06878147/status/1251763158693404672?s=20

    The saddest part of it all is even those who berate and belittle would maybe be in need of those they belittle and would gratefully accept their expertise if push came to shove


  • #3114
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Wombatman wrote: »
    The way the vaccine rollout plan is being talked about you would think we never vaccinated anybody in this country before.

    We vaccinate tens of thousands of people every year. Why can't the same people, and IT systems, and consent process be used?

    I acknowledge that this vaccine will require maybe new training and logistics due to it's nature, but we are hardly starting from scratch here, as some of the HSE statements would have you believe.

    If we weren't up to our neck in cases and hospital admissions, we would all be focused on how poorly the rollout is being managed.


    Do you really need that much training to deliver an injection? not belittling it in any way just curious. Every vet,farmer,anyone working in animal husbandry have delivered 1000s of jabs over the years. Nurses,doctors,paramedics, Diabetics daily.
    If the supply is available it shouldn't take very long at all.


  • #3115
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Surely anyone giving the vaccine to people who are not eligible should be up on charges

    What sort of charges?


  • #3116
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Do you really need that much training to deliver an injection? not belittling it in any way just curious. Every vet,farmer,anyone working in animal husbandry have delivered 1000s of jabs over the years. Nurses,doctors,paramedics, Diabetics daily.
    If the supply is available it shouldn't take very long at all.

    Its not the actual needle in the arm that is more difficult it is the precise preparation of the vaccine that needs training


  • #3117
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Just when you think it can't go lower. Disgusting comment.

    Look at how Ireland treats whistle blowers who put truth ahead of their own self interest. It’s no surprise that some would choose to see what he’s doing as something wrong. I think because a lot of people try to get attention by acting a certain way they presume everybody’s motives are the same.


  • #3118
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Its not the actual needle in the arm that is more difficult it is the precise preparation of the vaccine that needs training

    And how to manage an anaphylaxis or faint if they happen, amongst things like asepsis, consent, etc


  • #3119
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Surely anyone giving the vaccine to people who are not eligible should be up on charges

    Well at least fired anyway. It’s essentially stealing vaccines during a pandemic.

    That’s if the story is true of course.


  • #3120
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Look at how Ireland treats whistle blowers who put truth ahead of their own self interest. It’s no surprise that some would choose to see what he’s doing as something wrong. I think because a lot of people try to get attention by acting a certain way they presume everybody’s motives are the same.

    He has a profile which has to be fed

    You can argue the merits of posting on the hospital crisis


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  • #3121
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    What sort of charges?

    Stealing vaccine that has been assigned for frontline and vulnerable people could lead to causing deaths, do you think it is acceptable?


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