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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3062
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    froog wrote: »
    the latest narrative from the covid deniers is the most pathetic one yet - that the hospitals are no worse then normal winter and the healthcare workers telling us it's bad are drama queens or attention seekers.

    you can't just pretend problems away lads. it's a very unhealthy coping mechanism. you need to deal with it.
    People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe.

    There's been a lot of that during this. Pejorative labelling of people offers no extra support to any argument.


  • #3063
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    robfowler78 wrote: »
    1000 cases a day yes I agree but 200 cases a day is to low. Schools will be closed until end of February as a given the government are going to use the most length of time they can during this lockdown with the aim of not having to lock schools down again.

    Yes the aim will be to make sure the schools don’t have to close again until the usual summer holidays time. Then things will hopefully be largely resolved by September. That is why they need to go low with numbers and long with time now.


  • #3064
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Who is this person you are talking about? The question was about Anthony O’Connor.

    https://www.tuh.ie/Consultants/Professor-Anthony-O-Connor.html


  • #3065
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes the aim will be to make sure the schools don’t have to close again until the usual summer holidays time. Then things will hopefully be largely resolved by September. That is why they need to go low with numbers and long with time now.

    The reality is that the current lockdown will be in place until end February.


  • #3066
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    https://www.tuh.ie/Consultants/Professor-Anthony-O-Connor.html

    So same name but different person.


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  • #3067
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    froog wrote: »
    the latest narrative from the covid deniers is the most pathetic one yet - that the hospitals are no worse then normal winter and the healthcare workers telling us it's bad are drama queens or attention seekers.

    you can't just pretend problems away lads. it's a very unhealthy coping mechanism. you need to deal with it.

    It's a coping device for sure. Even when presented with facts that are undeniable and basic evidence the usual suspects fall back on plan A. Imagine referring to a doctor working in a Covid ward who is worried about people dying and wanting to prevent others from getting sick as a doom monger.

    A new low for the site tbh.


  • #3068
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Who is this random individual?

    Professor Anthony o'connor at tallaght hospital


  • #3069
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    So you'll dismiss the accounts from our front line staff and only listen to people directly involved in surge planning?

    You didn't seem to have an issue with the eminent doctor jinglejangle telling us all that the hospitals are grand
    Front line staff only know about the front line, not the big picture. You posted the tweet more to support how you view all of this than to inform anyone.

    No idea what the "eminent doctor" said but it's a limp argument to presume that posts which annoy you should annoy everyone else.


  • #3070
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Can't imagine 200 being the threshold for school reopening. Unlikely there'll be less than 200 cases a day again until the next academic year. As soon as contact tracing can cope and the hospital wave has passed I think they'll be back...probably not as soon as the end of January though.


  • #3071
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    So same name but different person.

    Same person actually . Anthony O Conner gastroenterologist in TUH


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  • #3072
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    It's a coping device for sure. Even when presented with facts that are undeniable and basic evidence the usual suspects fall back on plan A. Imagine referring to a doctor working in a Covid ward who is worried about people dying and wanting to prevent others from getting sick as a doom monger.

    A new low for the site tbh.

    It’s on both sides people who think the world is over as we know it and people who think we need to open up regardless. Neither is right the answer is somewhere in the middle as it always is.


  • #3073
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Professor Anthony o'connor at tallaght hospital
    So I've been told. Been plenty of those offering up opinions during this.


  • #3074
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So I've been told. Been plenty of those offering up opinions during this.

    So not a “ randomer “ at all .


  • #3075
    john why
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭john why


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    Boards randomers know better obviously :rolleyes:

    FB guys are better


  • #3076
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Same person actually . Anthony O Conner gastroenterologist in TUH

    Yes I listening to the interview with colm henry and this tweet was quoted.

    We are heading for a real disaster here in the coming weeks. Only a dim witted individual could not see the trouble we are in.


  • #3077
    Lawrence Quick Lumber
    Posts: 0 ✭ Lawrence Quick Lumber


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Who is this random individual?

    He mentioned in a tweet he doesn't have the energy to be dealing with individuals who are seeking to minimise what he is seeing on the front line.

    Rightly so.


  • #3078
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Same person actually . Anthony O Conner gastroenterologist in TUH

    My bad. Was thinking Cork.


  • #3079
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    So not a “ randomer “ at all .
    His opinion is as random as yours or mine! He's not involved with what he has an opinion on, so yeah a randomer.


  • #3080
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,861 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    froog wrote: »
    the latest narrative from the covid deniers is the most pathetic one yet - that the hospitals are no worse then normal winter and the healthcare workers telling us it's bad are drama queens or attention seekers.

    you can't just pretend problems away lads. it's a very unhealthy coping mechanism. you need to deal with it.



    The only thing worse than listening to an idiot is repeating what they say.


  • #3081
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So I've been told. Been plenty of those offering up opinions during this.

    Why don't you engage with him on Twitter? I'm sure after long and stressful over night shift he'd love to hear you regale him about his scaremongering.


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  • #3082
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Why don't you engage with him on Twitter? I'm sure after long and stressful over night shift he'd love to hear you regale him about his scaremongering.
    I'm sure he'd be pleased to see you rising stoutly to his defence!


  • #3083
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    seamus wrote: »
    The unions have nothing in the face of NPHET advice.

    The present advice from NPHET says that schools are safe, but the movement of parents doing the school drop off is too much of a risk at the moment.

    That will be the question at the end of the month, and NPHETs advice will be dependent on how much pressure the hospital system is under. If hospital and ICU numbers are on the way down, 1,000 cases a day will not stop schools reopening.

    I doubt the current advise is that schools are safe. What characteristics of schools make them safer than any other workplace?

    The schools are safe mantra is nonsense. Recent data from the UK shows schools are a key driver in spread. NPHET said that schools are safe relative to the community. Now that the R number is so high, a slightly less high R number in schools is still a problematic R number.

    Most schools support remote working. We are told people are to work from home where possible. Let's get students and teachers working remotely and get away from this fixation with open or closed.

    Open schools provide childcare for working parents. This is the reason we kept the schools open. If we open them again for this reason, let's call it out and acknowledge that we are accepting the risk, instead of going on about the schools are safe bullsh1t.


  • #3084
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,455 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Are Emotions running at Level 5 this morning?
    ;)

    Feed the birds folks. They're starving.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #3085
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    john why wrote: »
    FB guys are better

    The real experts for sure :)


  • #3086
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I'm sure he'd be pleased to see you rising stoutly to his defence!

    True. I'd take someones concern that's in professor in medicine over some randomer on boards. Call me picky.


  • #3087
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    His opinion is as random as yours or mine! He's not involved with what he has an opinion on, so yeah a randomer.

    He is still a medical consultant who works in a hospital.

    You obviously have access to his rota as you know the patients and wards he was dealing with.

    Have some dignity in yourself.


  • #3088
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Front line staff only know about the front line, not the big picture. You posted the tweet more to support how you view all of this than to inform anyone.

    No idea what the "eminent doctor" said but it's a limp argument to presume that posts which annoy you should annoy everyone else.

    You think the most senior doctors in our hospitals aren't involved in surge planning?

    I'm not sure you've the foggiest ****ing notion what you're talking about.

    Do you minimize any other viruses it is it just covid?


  • #3089
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Front line staff only know about the front line, not the big picture. You posted the tweet more to support how you view all of this than to inform anyone.

    No idea what the "eminent doctor" said but it's a limp argument to presume that posts which annoy you should annoy everyone else.

    That's just being contrary for the sake of it.


  • #3090
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    is_that_so wrote: »
    His opinion is as random as yours or mine! He's not involved with what he has an opinion on, so yeah a randomer.

    The surge planning will be based on the assessment of the ability for healthcare to be provided adequately, depending on the current healthcare needs. Somebody who is at the coalface, certainly has a greater idea of the current healthcare needs than you or I.


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  • #3091
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    The surge planning will be based on the assessment of the ability for healthcare to be provided adequately, depending on the current healthcare needs. Somebody who is at the coalface, certainly has a greater idea of the current healthcare needs than you or I.
    Opinions are easy to have. They may have about their section of the coalface but not enough to make judgements based on the overall strategy. If Paul Reid or Liam Woods offer opinions they are worth noting, because they have all the information to hand.


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