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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3032
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭oceanman


    Follow_ur_lead wrote: »
    Doubtful. I think they will open end of jan with cases at 1000 or so. Schools need to reopen.
    cant see the teachers unions going for that in a million years...


  • #3033
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Antcon7062/status/1348213253139267584?s=19
    Who is this random individual?


  • #3034
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Who is this random individual?

    Attention seeking Doom monger


  • #3035
    Follow_ur_lead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 60 ✭✭Follow_ur_lead


    oceanman wrote: »
    cant see the teachers unions going for that in a million years...

    That is why the should also be prioritised for vaccination.


  • #3036
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Schools were open in October with 1000 cases

    The unions will not allow the schools to reopen with such numbers and it is they who will decide when the schools reopen, not the government. We are in a very different place to last October.


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  • #3037
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Follow_ur_lead wrote: »
    It will be all about the Data and tracking how it is spreading. If it is still shown that teens are pretty much unaffected by this thing then get teachers vaccinated and get them back in school.

    Definitely the game here now for schools to operate properly. Teachers, bus drivers, SNA's etc...all must be vaccinated asap and get the bloody schools open.


  • #3038
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Who is this random individual?

    He is just a consultant physician in Tallaght and professor of medicine in TCD who has a medical degree, postgraduate exams in medicine, a medical doctorate and a fellowship from Harvard. You can Google this random individual


  • #3039
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes. 1000 cases a day is still way out of control. The numbers will need to be well down to reopen the schools. It will be very hard to get the unions now to agree to school reopening.

    I was actually being generous with 200 cases, it could be lower.

    I would need to hear a strong rationale to think that schools would open with a higher number.

    If that’s the case we will never open. Vaccines aren’t going to eradicate Covid we will still have case numbers in the hundreds weather daily or weekly. I think it’s a low bar to open schools just out of curiosity but at what stage/number do you consider opening up to meet family or friends in more then one group.


  • #3040
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Who is this random individual?

    He's a very well known doctor and labour party candidate.
    Currently working a covid ward as a gastroenterologist.


  • #3041
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    He is just a consultant physician in Tallaght and professor of medicine in TCD who has a medical degree, postgraduate exams in medicine, a medical doctorate and a fellowship from Harvard. You can Google this random individual

    Boards randomers know better obviously :rolleyes:


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  • #3042
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    jackboy wrote: »
    The unions will not allow the schools to reopen with such numbers and it is they who will decide when the schools reopen, not the government. We are in a very different place to last October.
    The unions have nothing in the face of NPHET advice.

    The present advice from NPHET says that schools are safe, but the movement of parents doing the school drop off is too much of a risk at the moment.

    That will be the question at the end of the month, and NPHETs advice will be dependent on how much pressure the hospital system is under. If hospital and ICU numbers are on the way down, 1,000 cases a day will not stop schools reopening.


  • #3043
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    The reason for the first peak coming after hospitalisations peak is that the testing system couldn't cope and wasn't testing all symptomatic even, never mind asymptomatic .

    They didn't have enough capacity to test and results were delayed ..from mid March to mid April it was hard to get a referral , then a test , get a result back , never mind test and trace contacts .

    The peak of this in hospitalisations will be somewhere from the middle of this month to the beginning of February as a lot of people infected and being hospitalised now were mixing in large household groups and had 5 or 6 contacts .

    Those being tested in the last few days will have infected less as lower contacts but that drop will take a couple of weeks to go through .

    We will not see numbers stabilising in hospital till February at the earliest .
    And that will be at a very high level unfortunately.
    What is it looking like the peak of hospitalisations going to be? I can't believe how much it keeps growing, the rate of growth of hospital admissions hasn't even levelled off much less the total number, seems like it'll be easily in the 3,000 range by the peak


  • #3044
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    jackboy wrote: »
    The unions will not allow the schools to reopen with such numbers and it is they who will decide when the schools reopen, not the government. We are in a very different place to last October.

    Well actually it is the government who decide.

    If the unions instruct teachers to do otherwise then that's industrial action..

    Usually Irish governments avoid such conflict though.

    Union officials are not medical professionals. Their opinion on these matters does not supersede government advisors.


  • #3045
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    He is just a consultant physician in Tallaght and professor of medicine in TCD who has a medical degree, postgraduate exams in medicine, a medical doctorate and a fellowship from Harvard. You can Google this random individual
    So listen to me - I'm a doctor and I know things? He's not involved with HSE surging planning - so as random as me or you.


  • #3046
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Attention seeking Doom monger

    I see the usual suspects removed the thanks for this post when they found out who he was was :pac:

    You'll have to be quicker lads and lassies.


  • #3047
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    The way the vaccine rollout plan is being talked about you would think we never vaccinated anybody in this country before.

    We vaccinate tens of thousands of people every year. Why can't the same people, and IT systems, and consent process be used?

    I acknowledge that this vaccine will require maybe new training and logistics due to it's nature, but we are hardly starting from scratch here, as some of the HSE statements would have you believe.

    If we weren't up to our neck in cases and hospital admissions, we would all be focused on how poorly the rollout is being managed.


  • #3048
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    What is it looking like the peak of hospitalisations going to be? I can't believe how much it keeps growing, the rate of growth of hospital admissions hasn't even levelled off much less the total number, seems like it'll be easily in the 3,000 range by the peak
    I seem to recall that 2500-3000 was the top end of estimates with 1500 being the very best case scenario.


  • #3049
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    He is just a consultant physician in Tallaght and professor of medicine in TCD who has a medical degree, postgraduate exams in medicine, a medical doctorate and a fellowship from Harvard. You can Google this random individual

    I'm not dismissing the claim but until others of similar professional standing make similar statements it really is meaningless. We've seen countless times how extremely learned people on the right like Dolores Dolan and Michael Levitt come out with 100% grade A horse manure day in day out solely for the purpose of exposure/self promotion


  • #3050
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well actually it is the government who decide.

    If the unions instruct teachers to do otherwise then that's industrial action..

    Usually Irish governments avoid such conflict though.

    Union officials are not medical professionals. Their opinion on these matters does not supersede government advisors.

    The unions closed the schools last week. How did the governments plan to allow leaving certs in work out?

    People need to know the reality. The schools will not open with 1000 cases a day.


  • #3051
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So listen to me - I'm a doctor and I know things? He's not involved with HSE surging planning - so as random as me or you.

    Have you been in a hospital recently? Have you dealt with the Covid patients? If not, how can you make an assessment of the current state of affairs in the hospital?

    Like the other healthcare workers, he is working tirelessly to keep us randomers safe! Like the other consultants, he has trained for 12+ years to become one. I don’t think that we can equate ourselves with him??? He is actively treating Covid patients, so don’t mind if I listen to what he says


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  • #3052
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So listen to me - I'm a doctor and I know things? He's not involved with HSE surging planning - so as random as me or you.

    No idea of this guy but if he's a doctor in Tallaght he's a little more informed than most of us on here. He's saying surge capacity needed now, that could be specific to his hospital, who I think had close to no ICU beds left a few days ago

    I also think, from reading some of his posts he actually said Sam McConkey was fear mongering saying we could hit 5000 cases and it wasn't that bad back in November. So not a regular doom monger


  • #3053
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    If we had the supply, we could vaccinate the whole country in 4 months. Given how we cope during flu season, id be confident we could do that. At the very least, anyone with an underlying health condition would be done in 2.

    Problem is we don't have guaranteed supply yet. Hopefully Oxford/AstraZeneca gets approved soon. Seems to be easier to manufacture


  • #3054
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    the latest narrative from the covid deniers is the most pathetic one yet - that the hospitals are no worse then normal winter and the healthcare workers telling us it's bad are drama queens or attention seekers.

    you can't just pretend problems away lads. it's a very unhealthy coping mechanism. you need to deal with it.


  • #3055
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    What is it looking like the peak of hospitalisations going to be? I can't believe how much it keeps growing, the rate of growth of hospital admissions hasn't even levelled off much less the total number, seems like it'll be easily in the 3,000 range by the peak
    3,000 seems unlikely at this stage. We should start to see some respite on hospital numbers next week. It could breach 2,000, which would see around 200 in ICU.


  • #3056
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    wadacrack wrote: »
    New variant completely changes the situation. Opening up with 1,000 cases unsustainable and we will end up with ur health service under pressure within weeks

    From mid October to early December we were close to an r0 of 0.7. The increase transmissibility of the new strain is trending to 40% as more data is gathered. 0.7 + 40% = 0.98. Not ideal, but controllable


  • #3057
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So listen to me - I'm a doctor and I know things? He's not involved with HSE surging planning - so as random as me or you.

    So you'll dismiss the accounts from our front line staff and only listen to people directly involved in surge planning?

    You didn't seem to have an issue with the eminent doctor jinglejangle telling us all that the hospitals are grand


  • #3058
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    seamus wrote: »
    3,000 seems unlikely at this stage. We should start to see some respite on hospital numbers next week. It could breach 2,000, which would see around 200 in ICU.

    It will breach 2000, not sure if it will hit 3000 but depends on numbers over the next few days


  • #3059
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    jackboy wrote: »
    The unions closed the schools last week. How did the governments plan to allow leaving certs in work out?

    People need to know the reality. The schools will not open with 1000 cases a day.

    1000 cases a day yes I agree but 200 cases a day is to low. Schools will be closed until end of February as a given the government are going to use the most length of time they can during this lockdown with the aim of not having to lock schools down again.


  • #3060
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    duffman13 wrote: »
    No idea of this guy but if he's a doctor in Tallaght he's a little more informed than most of us on here. He's saying surge capacity needed now, that could be specific to his hospital, who I think had close to no ICU beds left a few days ago

    I also think, from reading some of his posts he actually said Sam McConkey was fear mongering saying we could hit 5000 cases and it wasn't that bad back in November. So not a regular doom monger

    Its shocking to think a poster would dismiss a doctor on the frontline of a busy hospital who sees the issues daily as being “ some randomer ‘


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  • #3061
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    He is just a consultant physician in Tallaght and professor of medicine in TCD who has a medical degree, postgraduate exams in medicine, a medical doctorate and a fellowship from Harvard. You can Google this random individual

    Who is this person you are talking about? The question was about Anthony O’Connor.


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