Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:39AM

markodaly wrote: »

The next FTC?

It already is happening. The DOJ are investigating them already, but wont see their case in court for a few years.

https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-three-antitrust-battles-heres-what-you-need-to-know-faq/

With Twitter banning Trumps Account with the SCOTUS declaring that the platform DOES have a public utility function in past rulings, this banning will end up in the court somehow.

The ECB going after Facebook, the DOJ going after Google/Alphabet and Facebook, we could be seeing a very different tech landscape in the next 5 years, where many of these companies are brought to heel, broken up and regulated extensively.

I am sure all the Neo-Liberals here would be appalled at the state telling private business owners how to run their business. :pac:

Cheers! Didn't know that.

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 12:40AM

markodaly wrote: »

Where does it say she was armed?

If its not confirmed that she was, why are you saying that she actually was, only to gild your argument further?

It doesn't matter whether she was armed or not. She was trying to come through a broken door/window to gain access to the area where members of Congress were being secured.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-01-2021 12:41AM

Apparently @teamtrump is now banned

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1348040418210967553?s=19

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:42AM

Sand wrote: »

The attempt to attack Kyle Rittenhouse was clearly an act dangerous to human life - Kyle's life. Hence domestic terrorism under the definition provided by you.

Being threatening to someone's life doesn't alone tag the definition of domestic terrorism in federal law. Assault and battery laws exist for that. You haven't demonstrated they fit § 2331. Unless Rittenhouse was an elected official?

Christy42 · 10-01-2021 12:42AM

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Have you actaully seen the video? She climbed up on something to try to climb in a broken door/window and the secret service guy was 100% in the right to shoot her. It wasn't a terribly safe shooting because the captiol police appear right behiind her as she is falling but the target go hit so no harm, no foul.

There was no "mob" charging with her, there was a bunch of weirdy beardy types milling around shouting stuff in the same general area.

My problem is that if you change the colour of her skin or reveal that she was trans then the city burns while the politicians call for "healing".

Ehhh. Not really. Given the amount of police violence in general very little results in protests and those that do have been very different situations(yeah the machete lad, but that is Ireland-- those protests shouldn't have happened but were at least peaceful). The main two, Floyd was on the ground for quite some time before dying, Breonna Taylor was shot while sleeping.

Finally if there was a serious amount of non white people in that crowd then they weren't reaching that building full stop. Tear gas was pulled on blm protestors because Trump wanted to walk by. Never mind any actual violence.

ToddDameron · 10-01-2021 12:42AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether she was armed or not. She was trying to come through a broken door/window to gain access to the area where members of Congress were being secured.

It does kind of matter though, its certainly not irrelevant. I'm personally of the opinion that if you ignore police commands then you are risking your life needlessly, but there is a difference between unarmed and armed.

Tea drinker · 10-01-2021 12:44AM

After no evidence for the lies claiming she was armed the Goalposts getting shifted now to it doesn't matter if she was armed or not.
Even in Clonee a knife wielding lunatic had warning shots, tasers, mace. Not a good look for the secret service.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:44AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether she was armed or not. She was trying to come through a broken door/window to gain access to the area where members of Congress were being secured.

As though congressional security never explored or trained for the possibility of suicide bombings.

She was wearing a backpack

And the last time I saw someone that enthusiastic to vault through a small opening was to blow open a hole in the wall of Minas Tirith. :pac:

10-01-2021 12:45AM

ToddDameron wrote: »

Just curious about when you said there was police collusion, we have now seen footage of the cops disgracefully being brutalised. Was it rogue cops that were undermining the police force?

The usual sh1tholes like bitchute actually have videos of some of the Capitol police helping people enter which lead to the murder of one of their colleagues and others being injured. I'd say they will have a few questions to answer and won't be to popular with some of their colleagues, and accidents can happen.

Not surprisingly the same sites are putting forth examples of bad faith arguments that some of the posters on here are using.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:47AM

Tea drinker wrote: »

After no evidence for the lies claiming she was armed the Goalposts getting shifted now to it doesn't matter if she was armed or not.
Even in Clonee a knife wielding lunatic had warning shots, tasers, mace. Not a good look for the secret service.

IDK if you've noticed but police don't meddle in warning shots in the United States.

This was a special detail officer, I doubt that they had a utility belt full of less lethal options.

The crowd knew the guns were drawn, shouted the guns were drawn, and she dove in head first anyway.

Can't argue that it's not stellar optics, but the public also expects deadly threats to their leaders to be met by deadly force. We've been very clear about this as a culture since JFK.

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 12:49AM

ToddDameron wrote: »

It does kind of matter though, its certainly not irrelevant. I'm personally of the opinion that if you ignore police commands then you are risking your life needlessly, but there is a difference between unarmed and armed.

How does it matter? If she was unarmed should they have just let her through and see how things went? She had backpack on and was part of a violent mob storming the Capitol, and she tried to access an area where Congress members were being secured and sheltered from the mob.

oldtimeyfella · 10-01-2021 12:49AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Breonna Taylor was shot while sleeping.

The only place this has ever been claimed was in the wrongful death lawsuit that her family instigated. There's zero proof of it being the case.

ToddDameron · 10-01-2021 12:50AM

Overheal wrote: »

IDK if you've noticed but police don't meddle in warning shots in the United States.

This was a special detail officer, I doubt that they had a utility belt full of less lethal options.

The crowd knew the guns were drawn, shouted the guns were drawn, and she dove in head first anyway.

You don't comply, you die.

Sand · 10-01-2021 12:51AM

Overheal wrote: »

Being threatening to someone's life doesn't alone tag the definition of domestic terrorism in federal law. Assault and battery laws exist for that. You haven't demonstrated they fit § 2331. Unless Rittenhouse was an elected official?

You haven't demonstrated that crossing a threshold fits the definition of domestic terrorism in federal law. But you believe it.

A guy defending himself from a mob howling for his blood is a murderer. A police officer gunning down an unarmed military vet crossing a doorway is a hero of the republic. These are your views because media told you they are. It isnt up to me to reconcile them for you.

jill_valentine · 10-01-2021 12:52AM

ToddDameron wrote: »

I'll probably wait until an investigation is carried out, could to be room for error or misinterpretation there. I'm sure the news would have no issue saying she was armed if the footage was conclusive.

That's fair enough tbh, and the kind of holster it is the gun itself wouldn't be visible to onlookers as she was stretchered out. I'm 100% on it personally though, and I think there's a hazard in authorities not saying as much because it lets the "unarmed" thing circulate.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:52AM

ToddDameron wrote: »

You don't comply, you die.

Yes, that's right. Don't go ****ing around at secure US Govt buildings to find out.

ToddDameron · 10-01-2021 12:52AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

How does it matter? If she was unarmed should they have just let her through and see how things went? She had backpack on and was part of a violent mob storming the Capitol, and she tried to access an area where Congress members were being secured and sheltered from the mob.

I think it was a justified shooting. But it is important information, I mean others in the thread are insisting she was armed too so many consider it pertinent information.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:53AM

Sand wrote: »

You haven't demonstrated that crossing a threshold fits the definition of domestic terrorism in federal law. But you believe it.

Goodnight, Sand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lz702NhyKY

10-01-2021 12:54AM

Overheal wrote: »

IDK if you've noticed but police don't meddle in warning shots in the United States.

This was a special detail officer, I doubt that they had a utility belt full of less lethal options.

The crowd knew the guns were drawn, shouted the guns were drawn, and she dove in head first anyway.

Can't argue that it's not stellar optics, but the public also expects deadly threats to their leaders to be met by deadly force. We've been very clear about this as a culture since JFK.

Plus if devices had been found by that time or indeed if there was intelligence of IED devices then no other option really. If they let protestors through that area could have been a whole other outcome.

Who knows the value of that shot. They were not letting people into that corridor, that's for certain.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-01-2021 12:55AM

Tea drinker wrote: »

After no evidence for the lies claiming she was armed the Goalposts getting shifted now to it doesn't matter if she was armed or not.
Even in Clonee a knife wielding lunatic had warning shots, tasers, mace. Not a good look for the secret service.

Have you ever been to DC? Ever walked near the capitol building? The paranoia is to the extreme! Someone attempting to climb through a window where the VP is mere meters away was lucky they were only shot once and by one officer.

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 12:55AM

Sand wrote: »

You haven't demonstrated that crossing a threshold fits the definition of domestic terrorism in federal law. But you believe it.

A guy defending himself from a mob howling for his blood is a murderer. A police officer gunning down an unarmed military vet crossing a doorway is a hero of the republic. These are your views because media told you they are. It isnt up to me to reconcile them for you.

These bad faith arguments are getting tiring. Once again, as your either badly misinformed or are simply ignoring the reality, she was part of a violent mob storming the United States Capitol. Many of this mob had violent intent, some were carrying hand restraints with the intent of taking hostages. She tried to go through a door to an area where members of Congress were being secured. The security teams job is to protect those leaders. You're fooling nobody with your nonsense and false equivocations.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 12:57AM

ToddDameron wrote: »

I think it was a justified shooting. But it is important information, I mean others in the thread are insisting she was armed too so many consider it pertinent information.

I haven't heard any credible report confirming she had a weapon. I would just as well assume she was not carrying a firearm. She still had a backpack, with security unclear about its contents when she began vaulting through the window.

Christy42 · 10-01-2021 12:57AM

Sand wrote: »

You haven't demonstrated that crossing a threshold fits the definition of domestic terrorism in federal law. But you believe it.

A guy defending himself from a mob howling for his blood is a murderer. A police officer gunning down an unarmed military vet crossing a doorway is a hero of the republic. These are your views because media told you they are. It isnt up to me to reconcile them for you.

Kyle went down to kill people, seriously vigilante justice shout not be encouraged at protests/riots. The police officer was there to protect himself. Why the emotive language? I sincerely doubt the person who shot her had a clue she was a vet or indeed that she had multiple protective orders against her which would emotive language that could be used the other way.

I like how the mob that was trying to kidnap and kill elected officials doesn't get described as the one howling for blood?

namloc1980 · 10-01-2021 12:59AM

Tea drinker wrote: »

After no evidence for the lies claiming she was armed the Goalposts getting shifted now to it doesn't matter if she was armed or not.
Even in Clonee a knife wielding lunatic had warning shots, tasers, mace. Not a good look for the secret service.

No shifting of goalposts. In that moment it didn't matter whether she was armed. At that moment she was part of a insurrectionist mob storming the US Capitol, and she was trying to break into an area where members of Congress were being secured. Justified shooting whether she was armed or not.

markodaly · 10-01-2021 12:59AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether she was armed or not. She was trying to come through a broken door/window to gain access to the area where members of Congress were being secured.

Oh that is fair enough, but we have had some posters declared she was armed when there is no conclusive proof that she was.

Overheal · 10-01-2021 01:00AM

Cruz Stocky Steak wrote: »

Plus if devices had been found by that time or indeed if there was intelligence of IED devices then no other option really. If they let protestors through that area could have been a whole other outcome.

Who knows the value of that shot. They were not letting people into that corridor, that's for certain.

Aggressors breaching that hallway was definitely not negotiable to that security detail. I assume the Speaker was nearby. Video evidence also shows in the minute leading up that congressional members were still unsecured down the hallway. The door she was shot at was the entryway into the suite of the Speaker's Chamber.

alchemist33 · 10-01-2021 01:00AM

Sand wrote: »

A guy defending himself from a mob howling for his blood is a murderer. A police officer gunning down an unarmed military vet crossing a doorway is a hero of the republic. These are your views because media told you they are. It isnt up to me to reconcile them for you.

Why mention her military history all the time? Why not mention the three restraining orders she's had in the last five years if you're going to go into background, like so many did with the guys Rittenhouse killed?

JupiterKid · 10-01-2021 01:01AM

I found out a half an hour ago that a guy whose family were good family friends and former neighbours of mine was one of those who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday.

Nutjob - I've a good feeling his late mother and father - Irish who emigrated to the USA in the 1950s and came back to Ireland in the 1970s - would be deeply ashamed of what he did.

He was born in the USA in 1970, grew up in Dublin and moved back to the States in the late 1990s. At his father's funeral afters in 2016, he told me he was an ardent Trump supporter and had fallen out with his brother and one of his sisters over this.

Would I be correct in presuming he's going to jail?

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-01-2021 01:01AM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh that is fair enough, but we have had some posters declared she was armed when there is no conclusive proof that she was.

We've also had posters declared she was unarmed when there is no conclusive proof that she wasn't

Foxtrol · 10-01-2021 01:02AM

Sand wrote: »

Bludgeoned to death? Fake news much?

He went back to his office and collapsed at some later point. He was hardly torn apart by some bloodthirsty mob. The real question is why werent you as exercised by the deaths of police officers at the hands of BLM motivated killers?

I know - the media told you it was peaceful protest.

Sure the cop fell into the fire extinguisher that the terrorist was holding because he was doing the annual test... :rolleyes:

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