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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2822
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    So with case numbers lining up more accurately with swabs today, it raises the question, where did the 9k backlog go?


  • #2823
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    StevenToast wrote: »
    I see they are taking weekends off again....sure its not like theres an emergency going on

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40203890.html

    South Infimary Cork vaccinating all weekend


  • #2824
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,824 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    Vincent Browne (@vincentbrowne) Tweeted:
    Of the 5m pop about 3.5m will want to be vaccinated. Half of these will need 2 doses. So we need 5.25m vaccines. If we were to get rid of COVID in 2021 we need to vaccinate 100,000 a week. That seems no chance. Probably 2 years and many lockdowns and many deaths. Unless ... https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1347602570550849538?s=20

    Seeing as my own opinion on the vaccine was deleted from the thread.

    There are roughly 85 public hospitals in Ireland..

    I think a conservative estimate could be if 10 people per hour in each hospital....that’s 850 people per hour, round this down to 800 for dîckhead no shows etc...800x12 hours vaccinating that’s roughly 9600 per day...countrywide

    By my calculations it’s 469 days roughly based on those very rough numbers before the entire country is vaccinated... that’s April 2022....15 or so months away...


  • #2825
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    El Sueño wrote: »
    So the comment section on a website called "Hacker News" is a source now is it? Cop on

    Eh, ycombinator is a pretty well known and respected site tbh. As a company, they've provided seed money for tons of startups


  • #2826
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    prunudo wrote: »
    So with case numbers lining up more accurately with swabs today, it raises the question, where did the 9k backlog go?

    I think the number I've been tracking is 6k at the moment?

    Its not gone. Nolan said its not gone yesterday (I think he said its 12 to 24 hours more than normal and that's not a major deal) and the journalists made up a story and quoted each other.

    24 hours is 5k cases.


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  • #2827
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    El Sueño wrote: »
    So the comment section on a website called "Hacker News" is a source now is it? Cop on


    Seeing that the link was posted i found this comment :


    “”For the vaccine to lose effectiveness, the mutation would have to drastically alter the spike protein of the virus.
    This is effectively impossible as the virus is dependent on a functioning spike protein in order to infect cells, and the machinery involved with the mechanics of the spike are extremely delicate. Errant mutations that would cause compositional changes to the shape of the protein are almost guaranteed to cause functional failure. Using terminology, this is what we call a highly conserved area.
    In both cases for the South African or UK strain, if you take a look at the areas where mutations have occurred, you’ll see that the code responsible for generating the spike protein is basically completely unaffected. This will generally hold true for any successive future strains.””


  • #2828
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Quoting myself to give context to this idea that is beginning to get stronger in me.
    Up til now when people dismissed all notions of Zero Covid as impossible I tended to automatically agree as it seemed so difficult to implement. Not to mention too late.

    But recently I have been slowly changing my opinion.
    Even with vaccines it looks like we are going to have to maintain a very difficult program of frequent repeat vaccinations as immunity seems likely not to be very long lasting, and there will have to be regular time-consuming adjustments to the formulas to deal with emerging mutations (which will emerge all the more given that 85% of the world will not have good vaccine programs).

    Meanwhile Covid will remain at some level in the community in spite of these attempts and will continue to maximise itself for transmissibility. Many people are fine when they get it, but there is an undeniable morbidity residue left among a reasonably significant percentage of those who get even a mild enough dose of it.. It reminds me of populations that have been weakened historically by endemic conditons like malaria or parasite infections etc. Those populations have limped along in history due to persistent low levels of energy and health that can randomly affect any one of their members.

    So on balance I think it would be better for the whole world to wipe out Covid 19 completely. To have a concerted period of time when there are really strict travel requirements re negative test and quarantine, where we get the cases down everywhere in the world by cutting most methods of human transmission so the viral load reduces to very small amounts in the community, and then 'test trace and isolate' protocols smash down on every eruption of the virus, with local strict lockdowns (say a town or county). Thus we scour it out eventually and then maintain that approach globally. Open and normal when no virus is around and then on top of it in an instant every time it rears its head. I suppose a global application of the Australia style approach is what I am thinking of..

    I know most people won't agree with me - but it is what I am coming to believe is best.


    Not that I don't agree that it would be best to try to stamp this out completely ,I just don't think it will be possible now.

    All of those countries that did try have ended up just suppressing it .
    It will be a case of vaccination every few years imo, and outbreaks when herd immunity drops like so many other illnesses.


  • #2829
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Huge number in Waterford today


  • #2830
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    4842 cases
    9 deaths
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347954000025579521?s=21

    The death numbers would be from people who got Covid about 2 to 3 weeks ago, I suppose. When case numbers were 700-1000 about.


  • #2831
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    How much backlog is in that number?


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  • #2832
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Parks packed today in Dublin.

    Have some people not learned anything?
    Still complaining about people being in parks...
    People are much better off outdoors than indoors ffs.


  • #2833
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    StevenToast wrote: »
    I see they are taking weekends off again....sure its not like theres an emergency going on
    Do you have a link to that claim? Reid said more limited hours were around nursing homes only.


  • #2834
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    How much backlog is in that number?
    I can’t see any backlog in that .. not sure to be honest still missing a good Chuck of backlog numbers.
    Not taking much interest in daily numbers anymore, deaths and hospital figures probably going or tell us a lot more .


  • #2835
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Have some people not learned anything?
    Still complaining about people being in parks...
    People are much better off outdoors than indoors ffs.

    I suppose it's the packed bit that's worrying that poster.


  • #2836
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,420 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    titan18 wrote: »
    Eh, ycombinator is a pretty well known and respected site tbh. As a company, they've provided seed money for tons of startups

    That's nice.

    How does that make its comment section any more credible as a source?


  • #2837
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Strumms wrote: »
    There are roughly 85 public hospitals in Ireland..

    I think a conservative estimate could be if 10 people per hour in each hospital....that’s 850 people per hour, round this down to 800 for dîckhead no shows etc...800x12 hours vaccinating that’s roughly 9600 per day...countrywide

    By my calculations it’s 469 days roughly based on those very rough numbers before the entire country is vaccinated... that’s April 2022....15 or so months away...


    This totally ignores the many vaccines being approved atm which will greatly speed up delivery and are easier administration like JandJ and AstraZeneca.

    In a few months everyone who wants vaccine will be able to get one from their local gp or pharmacy .

    Btw this was discussed here yesterday .


  • #2838
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    blade1 wrote: »
    I suppose it's the packed bit that's worrying that poster.

    Literally shoulder to shoulder?
    I was in parks today, People were out an about but not squashed together.

    if you take a long focus lens shot or look from afar at a park scene it can look like they are 'packed' but in reality they are spaced out and only walking past one another.


  • #2839
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Great, better to have people out and about getting some fresh air and exercise.

    The clue to the problem is in the word "packed."


  • #2840
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    4,842 new cases
    9 new deaths


  • #2841
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Are we at a peak?


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  • #2842
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,976 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Have some people not learned anything?
    Still complaining about people being in parks...
    People are much better off outdoors than indoors ffs.


    Agree .

    As long as they are taking care .

    People need to get out .


  • #2843
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    The clue to the problem is in the word "packed."

    It's the ice cream vans I'd be concerned about. Would you like a covid cone? :D


  • #2844
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,773 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Literally shoulder to shoulder?
    I was in parks today, People were out an about but not squashed together.

    if you take a long focus lens shot or look from afar at a park scene it can look like they are 'packed' but in reality they are spaced out and only walking past one another.

    I don't know how packed it was.
    Poster said it was packed.
    No need to get in a strop with the FFS reply if it was a worry for someone else.
    There was a big hullabaloo in summer over crowds on beaches so it's only natural some people are going to be concerned.


  • #2845
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    There is a zero percent chance that the vaccines won't work on the new strains.


  • #2846
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    El Sueño wrote: »
    That's nice.

    How does that make its comment section any more credible as a source?

    It doesn't much, like the comment section of boards.ie or Reddit, but disparaging it cos of its name is what I was disagreeing with.


  • #2847
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not that I don't agree that it would be best to try to stamp this out completely ,I just don't think it will be possible now.

    All of those countries that did try have ended up just suppressing it .
    It will be a case of vaccination every few years imo, and outbreaks when herd immunity drops like so many other illnesses.

    What is wrong with suppressing a harmful virus? Look at Australia with 25 million people and 900 deaths. 5 times more population than us and we have twice the mortality. That is 10 times more deaths here proportionally. I'd happily take a bit of ''suppression'' and localised lockdowns over our methods to have hugely less infection rates. Other places like Singapore and Hong Kong go for big suppression. Thailand. China.
    It is also not too late, as people say. Virus needs hosts. It dwindles when there are no hosts, so there is always a chance to break chains of infection and go for protocols that enable the smallest amount possible of Covid.
    It will mean strict travel protocols, but so what.
    And why, to answer someone else, when we will have vaccines? Endemic disease, even with recurring vaccines that help contain it, is no good for a species. We have also created a pool of people compared to say places like Australia that will have ongoing issues due to having been infected. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00039-8/fulltext
    Even if it is 5% it is still people affected. Recurrent vaccines are not particularly a pleasant prospect either as a species, in my opinion.


  • #2848
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    There is a zero percent chance that the vaccines won't work on the new strains.

    Was worried about that earlier post from a comment section saying vaccine wouldn't be effective against new strains. Just found the above quote on a forum. Much more reassured now.


  • #2849
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,280 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Are we at a peak?
    We've passed that thankfully.


  • #2850
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Are we at a peak?
    There's a feeling that we are but it's a long way back.


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  • #2851
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Strumms wrote: »
    There are roughly 85 public hospitals in Ireland..

    I think a conservative estimate could be if 10 people per hour in each hospital....that’s 850 people per hour, round this down to 800 for dîckhead no shows etc...800x12 hours vaccinating that’s roughly 9600 per day...countrywide

    By my calculations it’s 469 days roughly based on those very rough numbers before the entire country is vaccinated... that’s April 2022....15 or so months away...

    The city that I live in has roughly the same population as Ireland, They have so far set up 2 vaccination centers with 86 stations, so using your 10 per hour per station thats 860 total per hour, 24 hours a day gives 20,640, and x 30 days = 619,200 per center per month and population vaccinated in four months. IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH VACCINES.


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