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Cody montana · 09-01-2021 03:09PM

Man spotted carrying Speaker's lectern arrested in Florida.

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Oh that's a shame.
Who would have guessed he's from Florida?

Hedgehod55 · 09-01-2021 03:09PM

completedit wrote: »

He is but what happens if big tech sides with a Trump like character in the future, where does that leave us?

Are you essentially asking what if they didn't ban him? Because they didn't for almost 4 years.

Twitter are not "taking sides". They're banning someone who broke their terms of service and incited violence, and was responsible for one of the most disgraceful political moments in US history.

Banning someone like Bernie Sanders is not the equivalent of banning Trump. That idea is based on them being banned for their political views, not their behaviour (eg. inciting violence etc.). That hasn't happened. Trump wasn't banned because he's republican, and all the posters here trying to suggest as much really need to look in the mirror and question how they have came to be part of the cult following that is bringing disgrace on the US. Because simply hating the left is not a valid reason to support a cancerous character like Trump, I'm afraid.

It is worrying the amount of support he has on boards. I would not be surprised if many of these accounts are US based in order to drum up support and muddy the waters of what is reasonable discussion. The disease of political polarisation that has infected the US is clearly taking hold here. Go into any thread in Current Affairs and within a few posts you will have a number of posts blaming the left, regardless of the topic. It's not even about the issue at hand, it's about "their team". I'm not saying the left aren't guilty of the same, but it appears to be on another level for the right, at least on boards. Hoards of conservatives all making themselves out to be victims of some widespread, far left conspiracy.

listermint · 09-01-2021 03:10PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Like him or loathe him Twitter must owe a huge debt to Trump as he gave the company enormous free publicity over the last 5 years.
You cant buy that type of advertising.

Ya because twitter was unknown prior to trump.

.. just saying like.

Donald Trump · 09-01-2021 03:11PM

joseywhales wrote: »

There's clearly a limit to free speech when it comes to inciting hatred or violence or when the speech is slanderous, this isn't a new thing, that just appeared with social media, these rules have been there for a long time.

salmocab wrote: »

Most people don’t understand what free speech means. It’s never meant you can say what you want when you want where you want with no consequences.

Yes. "Free speech" basically refers to the concept/right that the state cannot restrict you.

It does not remove any responsibilities or repercussions for you from what you say

Hedgehod55 · 09-01-2021 03:12PM

duploelabs wrote: »

He didn't win in reality though did he? Just trump's delusions and narcissistic tenancies on display

Imagine being an Irish person on an Irish website and thinking Trump won? That is the type of cult following he has. It's genuinely sad.

PropJoe10 · 09-01-2021 03:12PM

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Trump will probably hold his own presidential inauguration.
He won, and that what happens after you win.

He didn't win, though. Do you need some help with differentiating between the word "winning" and the word "losing"? We're here to help.

Donald Trump · 09-01-2021 03:12PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Man spotted carrying Speaker's lectern arrested in Florida.

Oh that's a shame.
Who would have guessed he's from Florida?

I wonder if he got out the door with it?

The Raging Bile Duct · 09-01-2021 03:14PM

salmocab wrote: »

Most people don’t understand what free speech means. It’s never meant you can say what you want when you want where you want with no consequences.

Aye, the 'falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre' example. Speech that is both dangerous and false is not protected under the first amendment. Trump's rhetoric since the election is a prime example of false and dangerous speech.

Foxtrol · 09-01-2021 03:14PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Jesus Christ. What is your point? What is your biggest takeaway from the shocking scenes witnessed at the Capitol?

A) That it's not fair that they didn't arrest more white "protestors" at the Capitol.

They shouldn't have arrested as many people at some BLM protest in the past.
or

C) What we saw at the Capitol was a shocking attempt at insurrection, encouraged directly and implicitly by senior politicians and administration officials.

I'm going with C. You appear to be more concerned with A or B. Not sure which. Maybe both?

Why are people trying to deflect away from the actual fundamental seriousness of the incident with virtue signalling woke shite. It was an attack on the US institutions of democracy. Not an exercise in tallying arrests by skin colour.

All that other stuff has a place. But it's not relevant here. This was a serious attack on the US system from within. Serious in ideology if not in physical damage (relatively speaking)

A, B, and C.

A played a huge part in C. Some cops did a heroic job while being assaulted and murdered by these white terrorists while some of their colleagues just let protesters walk by them, gave them directions, took selfies, helped them clean out their eyes, walked them down the stairs, and held doors for them as they walked away from their crimes.

If you don't think many cops standing by allowing an attempted coup isn't worth highlighting then it points to your naivety.

As far a B, that just highlights how soft the cops were and how much worse the situation in C was.

MisterAnarchy · 09-01-2021 03:16PM

listermint wrote: »

Ya because twitter was unknown prior to trump.

.. just saying like.

Trump has helped raise Twitters profile dramatically in the last 5 years.

Alot of people wouldnt have heard of Twitter before.
Over 27 per cent of Twitter accounts follow Trump.

Cody montana · 09-01-2021 03:17PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I wonder if he got out the door with it?

It was on sale on ebay apparently.

Cause America.

The Raging Bile Duct · 09-01-2021 03:18PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Trump has helped raise Twitters profile dramatically in the last 5 years.

Alot of people wouldnt have heard of Twitter before.

Do you actually believe that? Smh...

exaisle · 09-01-2021 03:19PM

salmocab wrote: »

Most people don’t understand what free speech means. It’s never meant you can say what you want when you want where you want with no consequences.

Good point. It's being able to say what you want when you want where you want, but not necessarily doing so.
The problem is that people are as free to spread lies as the truth.

Some posters here seem to think that Twitter owes Trump but actually it's the other way around. Without the platform,Trump couldn't spread his rantings so efficiently.

While Twitter have banned Trump, my opinion is that it's five or six years too late and that they must bear some responsibility for the mess that the United States finds itself in.

Endintheclowns · 09-01-2021 03:19PM

Hedgehod55 wrote: »

Imagine being an Irish person on an Irish website and thinking Trump won? That is the type of cult following he has. It's genuinely sad.

I find it genuinely sad people have so much invested emotionally in what Trump does.

For Forks Sake · 09-01-2021 03:20PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yes. "Free speech" basically refers to the concept/right that the state cannot restrict you.

It does not remove any responsibilities or repercussions for you from what you say

Indeed.

The Tetrarch · 09-01-2021 03:21PM

Hedgehod55 wrote: »

Imagine being an Irish person on an Irish website and thinking Trump won? That is the type of cult following he has. It's genuinely sad.

Ever hear the expression "tongue in cheek"?

Donald Trump · 09-01-2021 03:21PM

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Aye, the 'falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre' example. Speech that is both dangerous and false is not protected under the first amendment. Trump's rhetoric since the election is a prime example of false and dangerous speech.

I know it is off topic, but was there ever a similar UK concept?

I'm wondering how it would have worked in terms of the SF ban?

Because of no written constitution maybe?

sydthebeat · 09-01-2021 03:21PM

completedit wrote: »

There clearly is Orwellian elements to censorship of an idealogy that doesn't fit in with the narrative pushed by companies who dominate the discourse of our society. This is now ever more prominent in this digital age we are entering. Just because it doesn't fit perfectly with the story doesn't negate it as a descriptor of what's happening. I've read the book.

Incitement to violence is not an "ideology"

Try harder, try better

joseywhales · 09-01-2021 03:22PM

I mean would it have been too much of an escalation if the police had instituted shoot to kill for anyone within the perimeter of the building? Would it have been a tragedy if say 30 rioters had been shot dead. Surely they gave up their right to life by attacking police lines. I think it would have been an effective deterrent, if you start to see your friends dropping cold, I think everyone would leave, perhaps only 5 would have to die, to make the picture clear.

The Raging Bile Duct · 09-01-2021 03:23PM

exaisle wrote: »

Good point. It's being able to say what you want when you want where you want, but not necessarily doing so.
The problem is that people are as free to spread lies as the truth.

That's not really the point at all.

Hedgehod55 · 09-01-2021 03:24PM

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Ever hear the expression "tongue in cheek"?

I wasn't sure if it was. Sarcasm can be hard to detect online. And given much of the rhetoric here, there are definitely people here who it applies to.

Donald Trump · 09-01-2021 03:24PM

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Ever hear the expression "tongue in cheek"?

Tongue in arse cheeks?

:pac:

Foxtrol · 09-01-2021 03:24PM

Sarcozies wrote: »

Race batey nonsense.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks0iu5/the_exact_first_moment_of_the_storming_of_the_us/

This is a video of them first breaking through -- look at the security just 'letting them in'. Ridiculous. I'd love to see what people on their phones right now would have done to stop the flood of people breaking through -- a few judo chops perhaps.

This is all after they've had months and months of vitriolic abuse (all cops are bastards hash tags to retired St. Louis police Capt. David Dorn lying on the ground in a pool of his own blood while people step over him to snag a second hand TV.from his friends shop he was trying to protect) demands of defunding from not just huge swaths of the American people, but from some of the highest echelons of the democratic party. "Defund the police" to "oh no where are the police"

Meanwhile during the summer we have riots, buildings and businesses set ablaze with tons of small businesses never going to recover. What was the the reaction from hugely influential celebrities, mainstream media and many, many politicians? Encouragement and agreement. In Seattle, they were given their own little zone where police were instructed to leave the area and leave them off. Imagine a mayor in America telling the police to get out of a city area as it's now Trump land inhabited by trump fanatics just doing their thing.

This all sets a precedent for all other mobs in the future to justify their idiotic behaviour in the name of their perceived political injustice.

That is what they Capitol police did to one branch of the government. It is a complete false equivalence.

Some cops did their job heroically, like in the video you posted, while others stood back and let it happen and palled around with the mob while their colleagues were being beaten, abused and murdered. Due to either complete incompetence or collusion the events of this week were allowed to happen by the police.

If cops believed these white terrorists were their friends and supporters then hopefully how they were treated this week wakes them up to how deluded they are. MAGA and the far right only support the police or military when they are doing what they like (like beating up black people) or bowing down to their commands.

newmember2 · 09-01-2021 03:26PM

duploelabs wrote: »

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Trump will probably hold his own presidential inauguration.
He won, and that what happens after you win.

He didn't win in reality though did he? Just trump's delusions and narcissistic tenancies on display

Humour has no place on a public forum!!!

09-01-2021 03:26PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Trump has helped raise Twitters profile dramatically in the last 5 years.

Alot of people wouldnt have heard of Twitter before.
Over 27 per cent of Twitter accounts follow Trump.

That's not true though, while he was most definitely marketing somewhat to them. They had plenty of prominent users that had brought positive attention to them. Eg one of the biggest endorsers of Twitter when it took off was Stephen Fry. The issue of extreme voices was that Twitter tended to allow for extreme voices to prosper for many years eg Tommy Robinson, Alex Jones and the most prominent Trump. It just hit a point in recent years where those voices became an active detractor for the likes of Twitter and Facebook. Coupled with stories like Cambridge analytica.

I'd suspect Trump was viewed more and more by their platform as negative pr.

salmocab · 09-01-2021 03:29PM

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Aye, the 'falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre' example. Speech that is both dangerous and false is not protected under the first amendment. Trump's rhetoric since the election is a prime example of false and dangerous speech.

A couple of years ago there was a thread I think about religious beliefs and someone said a guy getting sacked for publicly saying gays were going to hell and should repent was having his free speech stopped. The point made was he could still have that belief he just no longer had the job.
The example I used was calling your mother a witch and been written out of her will. You can’t afterwards claim she had no right to take you out of the will because of what you called her as you were exercising free speech.
People who shout free speech generally don’t understand what it means.

Dyr · 09-01-2021 03:30PM

I thought the likely lads on here were all down with protestors attacking federal buildings?

Funny that.

duploelabs · 09-01-2021 03:31PM

newmember? wrote: »

Humour has no place on a public forum!!!

It's like the trumpets saying that trump was being sarcastic/telling a joke as an excuse when he said something idiotic

Tony EH · 09-01-2021 03:33PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

AOC saying protests should be "making people uncomfortable"
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080?s=20

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-chris-cuomo-blasted-for-suggesting-protesters-dont-have-to-be-peaceful
CNN anchor Chris Cuomo raised eyebrows on Tuesday night when he suggested that the George Floyd protesters don't have to be "polite and peaceful."

Yugoslaveque commentary about cleansing from MSM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-movement-trump-supporters-following-capitol-riots
The fact is that getting rid of Trump is the easy part. Cleansing the movement he commands, or getting rid of what he represents to so many Americans, is going to be something else."

There's a difference between making people "uncomfortable" and protesting about your grievances and making people dead because your guy lost an election.

Cody montana · 09-01-2021 03:35PM

Bambi wrote: »

I thought the likely lads on here were all down with protestors attacking federal buildings?

Funny that.

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