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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2582
    john why
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭john why


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    I got the vaccine today. PPSN is how they're keeping records. Still need to hang on to your vaccine record card for the second dose.

    The nurse who gave it to me advised me to laminate it after the second dose and keep it somewhere safe, like with my passport, because we will probably need it again.
    So happy for you.


  • #2583
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Have heard from so many people I know today of cases.

    It's actually everywhere at the moment.

    Wondering are we actually reaching herd immunity at this stage!!??

    It must depend on location or age, i have yet to hear of anyone this time around. Heard of way more people back last Spring and Autumn than now.


  • #2584
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Hope everyone is having a relaxing weekend? great to see the sun at last.

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  • #2585
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1347829221985562625?s=21


  • #2586
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    A friend told me about a healthy 31 year old woman, who died at home from Covid-19 yesterday. No underlying conditions that I know of, husband also has it, but is fine.

    Neighbours stood on the road bawling, while men in full ppe gear took her body away. Everyone was traumatised by what they witnessed became I’m told it is a young estate, all with small children etc.

    Please don’t ask me for more details because I don’t have them.

    It shocked, saddened and terrified me though.


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  • #2587
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I crossed three counties on way to hospital appointment in Waterford yesterday. The roads were extremely quiet. Not as quiet as April but not far off it.

    Hospital was very tightly controlled - I had to pass two checkpoints in the hospital before getting to where I was going. Was seen immediately. I wore an ffp3 mask with cloth mask over it and carried my own sanitiser in and used it frequently. Very wary of new variant.


  • #2588
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1347829221985562625?s=21

    Getting tired of Reid tweeting yesterday's icu figure every morning and saying its what we have in icu now.

    If he wants to tweet icu wait n hour for the morning icu report.

    1285 in hospital is a massive strain on our hospitals. It shows that even if there is potentially positive signs the hospitals are still set to take a beating.


  • #2589
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Getting tired of Reid tweeting yesterday's icu figure every morning and saying its what we have in icu now.

    If he wants to tweet icu wait n hour for the morning icu report.

    1285 in hospital is a massive strain on our hospitals. It shows that even if there is potentially positive signs the hospitals are still set to take a beating.

    He gets paid 350k a year.


  • #2590
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    More data on the variant. It looks to be much more transmissible based on the attack rate (number of close contacts infected). Big difference in most age categories.

    According to latest data the new variant passed on to 43% more contacts than the old one. The data is across all areas so should control for regional variation in behaviour etc. Also more kids getting it but that's just because more people overall are getting it. Explains the logic of the schools though as the increased transmissibility means schools are not free from spreading it in the community.

    source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/950823/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_3_-_England.pdf

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  • #2591
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    fits wrote: »
    I crossed three counties on way to hospital appointment in Waterford yesterday. The roads were extremely quiet. Not as quiet as April but not far off it.

    Hospital was very tightly controlled - I had to pass two checkpoints in the hospital before getting to where I was going. Was seen immediately. I wore an ffp3 mask with cloth mask over it and carried my own sanitiser in and used it frequently. Very wary of new variant.

    Any checkpoints on the roads?


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  • #2592
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Wasn't this expected

    New variants more transmissible but less dangerous


  • #2593
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Eivor wrote: »
    Any checkpoints on the roads?

    Yes one on a county border which was in place when I travelled in both directions. Garda kept car in front of me for ages but I didn’t notice if it was turned around.


  • #2594
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Wasn't this expected

    New variants more transmissible but less dangerous

    That is a common path to take.

    No evidence that these are less dangerous.


  • #2595
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    That is a common path to take.

    No evidence that these are less dangerous.

    Is there evidence that they are more dangerous?


  • #2596
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Is the backlog full of fake cases? I am confused by the narrative that they somehow don't count.

    Well it does matter when they happened. 5000 cases yesterday would indicate we've just about peaked and started to turn the corner. 8000 would be a significant escalation. Two very different stories.


  • #2597
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Wasn't this expected

    New variants more transmissible but less dangerous

    It's not less dangerous or rather there is no evidence to suggest that.
    There is evidence that it produces a greater viral load. No evidence that it produces more or less severe disease.

    You are right that you would expect this to occur in the long run but in the long run we are all dead.
    This is such a new pathogen in humans that it could go either way in the mean time.
    Influenza strains can still emerge causing massive disease and sickness.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-variant/new-coronavirus-variant-does-not-cause-illness-more-severe-than-others-public-health-england-study-idUSKBN29401A
    (Reuters) - A new variant of the novel coronavirus does not appear to cause more severe illness than other variants, according to a matched study bit.ly/2X7cLgp by Public Health England.

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  • #2598
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It's not less dangerous or rather there is no evidence to suggest that.
    There is evidence that it produces a greater viral load. No evidence that it produces more or less severe disease.

    You are right that you would expect this to occur in the long run but in the long run we are all dead.

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    We are not all dead. This is serious, the case numbers are very concerning, the increase in hospitalisations is very worrying and there is are very rough weeks ahead. But we are not all dead.


  • #2599
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    More data on the variant. It looks to be much more transmissible based on the attack rate (number of close contacts infected). Big difference in most age categories.

    According to latest data the new variant passed on to 43% more contacts than the old one. The data is across all areas so should control for regional variation in behaviour etc. Also more kids getting it but that's just because more people overall are getting it. Explains the logic of the schools though as the increased transmissibility means schools are not free from spreading it in the community.

    43% more transmissible is actually less bad the original estimates of 70% more transmissible. If 43% is accurate, it will be possible to suppress the virus significantly using the level 5 measures and get r significantly below 1.


  • #2600
    Fly_away
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭Fly_away


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    The public got what they asked for. Most of these decisions are in large part influenced and informed by public polls, most people in the country felt a relaxation of restrictions was necessary and appropriate. The government advised as much as they could,' you're not doing it right if Christmas feels the same 'campaign etc.. I really don't think the government can be blamed much for this.

    Again, the job of politicians is to sometimes take unpopular decisions and persuade people of the merits of that decision.

    You are ignoring this and letting the government off Scot-free with your simplistic takes.
    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Crystal ball stuff that,
    Don't cod yourself The people would have just gone and done it anyway.


    No it isn't crystal ball stuff. What a moronic post.

    Some might have 'done it anyway' but I know many that wouldn't have, particularly if there were Garda presence on the roads. And if we had stopped even 50% of the gatherings and mixing over Xmas, cases would be a lot lower now and lives would've been saved.


  • #2601
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Whats the latest on airborne transmission? The shocking spread lately around the world doesnt look like something that primarily spreads via droplets to me.


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  • #2602
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It's not less dangerous or rather there is no evidence to suggest that.
    There is evidence that it produces a greater viral load. No evidence that it produces more or less severe disease.

    You are right that you would expect this to occur in the long run but in the long run we are all dead.
    This is such a new pathogen in humans that it could go either way in the mean time.
    Influenza strains can still emerge causing massive disease and sickness.

    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    We are not all dead. This is serious, the case numbers are very concerning, the increase in hospitalisations is very worrying and there is are very rough weeks ahead. But we are not all dead.

    You misquoted me there. I was speaking about "in the long run" you expect it to become less virulent. i.e it might take a very long time for this to evolve to become less virulent and there is no guarantee that it will. I'm afraid we are all dead in the long run. unless you believe in immortality.


  • #2603
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    TheDenialTwist wrote: »
    No, my gran aunt died in hospital during the night last night and no-one was allowed in to visit her. She was unconscious on a ventilator and we were told prior that she would not make it through the night, unfortunately.

    Also, there are only ten people permitted to attend her funeral tomorrow :(

    I think the worst part for families is not being able to be with or say goodbye to a dying family member. My gran aunt died alone and that's very difficult for my family. For anyone's family.

    It's heartbreaking.

    I'm so sorry for your loss. :(

    May she rest in peace.


  • #2604
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    I got the vaccine today. PPSN is how they're keeping records. Still need to hang on to your vaccine record card for the second dose.

    The nurse who gave it to me advised me to laminate it after the second dose and keep it somewhere safe, like with my passport, because we will probably need it again.

    Hopefully by this time next year we all have one of these and life can resume back to some level of normality.

    Congrats :)


  • #2605
    Fly_away
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭Fly_away


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    A lot of people wanted to celebrate Christmas. The government agreed. Cant change the past. Which ever way they went they couldn't win. I don't think anyone really expected this much of an increase.

    I would consider much lower cases and deaths than we are seeing right now as a 'win' for the government if they had introduced tight restrictions with proper enforcement over Xmas.

    I'm really sorry that you don't.


  • #2606
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Danno wrote: »
    They can go do one. This is the third/fourth roll of the dice (depending your own geography).

    Riding roughshod over the peasants while the uber fly in and out is not on.
    What do you feel is "roll of the dice" about it? It's not random.


  • #2607
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I'm so annoyed today. I was speaking to a colleague last night and her and her husband was drinking with friends. This person is almost 40! Maybe I'm wrong but I just think WTF like? I want to go back to work and I want this to be over as does everyone I know but some people are still so selfish. They also live with one of their parents who is in their mid 70s.


  • #2608
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    It is not going to be endemic in Australia or New Zealand, or China by the looks of it..Singapore has done really well. So have Thailand and Vietnam. Cuba, lots of African countries, Japan was doing really well up until recently, lots of remote countries etc. I doubt all those places are throwing their hands up and saying bring on the covid endemia.
    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Among those countries there were procedures like extremely strict travel and quarantine laws, robust test, trace and isolate protocols, and strict lockdowns at the slightest outbreaks. None of them built a wall around their country. They just chose not to let it spread.

    Quoting myself to give context to this idea that is beginning to get stronger in me.
    Up til now when people dismissed all notions of Zero Covid as impossible I tended to automatically agree as it seemed so difficult to implement. Not to mention too late.

    But recently I have been slowly changing my opinion.
    Even with vaccines it looks like we are going to have to maintain a very difficult program of frequent repeat vaccinations as immunity seems likely not to be very long lasting, and there will have to be regular time-consuming adjustments to the formulas to deal with emerging mutations (which will emerge all the more given that 85% of the world will not have good vaccine programs).

    Meanwhile Covid will remain at some level in the community in spite of these attempts and will continue to maximise itself for transmissibility. Many people are fine when they get it, but there is an undeniable morbidity residue left among a reasonably significant percentage of those who get even a mild enough dose of it.. It reminds me of populations that have been weakened historically by endemic conditons like malaria or parasite infections etc. Those populations have limped along in history due to persistent low levels of energy and health that can randomly affect any one of their members.

    So on balance I think it would be better for the whole world to wipe out Covid 19 completely. To have a concerted period of time when there are really strict travel requirements re negative test and quarantine, where we get the cases down everywhere in the world by cutting most methods of human transmission so the viral load reduces to very small amounts in the community, and then 'test trace and isolate' protocols smash down on every eruption of the virus, with local strict lockdowns (say a town or county). Thus we scour it out eventually and then maintain that approach globally. Open and normal when no virus is around and then on top of it in an instant every time it rears its head. I suppose a global application of the Australia style approach is what I am thinking of..

    I know most people won't agree with me - but it is what I am coming to believe is best.


  • #2609
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Fly_away wrote: »
    I would consider much lower cases and deaths than we are seeing right now as a 'win' for the government if they had introduced tight restrictions with proper enforcement over Xmas.

    I'm really sorry that you don't.
    Christmas was a necessary mental release for many people but it should have been tempered by circumstances. It clearly wasn't but the government can hardly be blamed for that behaviour. What is proper enforcement BTW? This terminology comes up a lot but nobody bothers to quantify it. Bear in mind that the vast majority of our cases have come through household and household mixing.


  • #2610
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    froog wrote: »
    Whats the latest on airborne transmission? The shocking spread lately around the world doesnt look like something that primarily spreads via droplets to me.

    https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/infectious-disease/Aerosol-expert-Jose-Luis-Jimenez/99/i1


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  • #2611
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Quoting myself to give context to this idea that is beginning to get stronger in me.
    Up til now when people dismissed all notions of Zero Covid as impossible I tended to automatically agree as it seemed so difficult to implement. Not to mention too late.

    But recently I have been slowly changing my opinion.
    Even with vaccines it looks like we are going to have to maintain a very difficult program of frequent repeat vaccinations as immunity seems likely not to be very long lasting, and there will have to be regular time-consuming adjustments to the formulas to deal with emerging mutations (which will emerge all the more given that 85% of the world will not have good vaccine programs).

    Meanwhile Covid will remain at some level in the community in spite of these attempts and will continue to maximise itself for transmissibility. Many people are fine when they get it, but there is an undeniable morbidity residue left among a reasonably significant percentage of those who get even a mild enough dose of it.. It reminds me of populations that have been weakened historically by endemic conditons like malaria or parasite infections etc. Those populations have limped along in history due to persistent low levels of energy and health that can randomly affect any one of their members.

    So on balance I think it would be better for the whole world to wipe out Covid 19 completely. To have a concerted period of time when there are really strict travel requirements re negative test and quarantine, where we get the cases down everywhere in the world by cutting most methods of human transmission so the viral load reduces to very small amounts in the community, and then 'test trace and isolate' protocols smash down on every eruption of the virus, with local strict lockdowns (say a town or county). Thus we scour it out eventually and then maintain that approach globally. Open and normal when no virus is around and then on top of it in an instant every time it rears its head. I suppose a global application of the Australia style approach is what I am thinking of..

    I know most people won't agree with me - but it is what I am coming to believe is best.

    So 7 billion people act in unison to achieve one goal? No other words necessary.


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