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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2462
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Ah right, my apologies. Still very confusing

    It is confusing, especially when journalists report things like “the backlog is clear” when no one from NPHET said that!


  • #2463
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Their Parents must be the same age.:mad:

    Mentally :)


  • #2464
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    darem93 wrote: »
    There's no reason at all that those SA cases needed to get into the country. I really just do not understand the lack of security at the airports, like it is absolute insanity.

    It is so frustrating when you think that you are trying to do your bit to get it under control and you hear things like this. It's just like what is the point when the government literally allowed the thing to be imported from abroad?

    There is a ban on Flight's to south Africa for the general public introduced same time as for the uk it is in force till midnight tonight.
    Only people who were travelling in that time was health workers or persons deemed Essential.


  • #2465
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    You do realise that the UK leaving the EU made no difference whatsoever to the UK approving and making deals for vaccinations themselves? Any EU member could have gone down this route if it wished.
    There is no way that the Republic could have approved and made the same vaccine deals that the UK did by itself, we can count ourselves lucky we are part of the EU that have been able to do this.

    And they have just announced a doubling of the allocation of " Biontech Pfizer " as per Ursula this evening .


  • #2466
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Donnelly saying he's been holding back vaccines as a buffer. Holding back giving out vaccines...

    Yeah I heard him say that. Makes no sense. It's not like it's a blood bank or something. I dont think anybody needs an emergency vaccination.


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  • #2467
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yeah I heard him say that. Makes no sense. It's not like it's a blood bank or something. I dont think anybody needs an emergency vaccination.

    But everyone who gets 1 dose needs a second dose 3 weeks later.


  • #2468
    eggy81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭eggy81


    It’s interesting how little construction seems to actually be closing in the end


  • #2469
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yeah I heard him say that. Makes no sense. It's not like it's a blood bank or something. I dont think anybody needs an emergency vaccination.

    Ye do know people need a second dose after 21 days, and failure to do so results in lower immunity. Holding stock until stable supply chains have been established is a good thing. This is explained multiple times every day. Dozens of posters ignore this every day


  • #2470
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yeah I heard him say that. Makes no sense. It's not like it's a blood bank or something. I dont think anybody needs an emergency vaccination.

    I think people deliberately look for faults.

    They held a reserve as many places had initial supply chain issues and we needed to ensure we had sufficient for the second doses. The supply chain has now proven robust, so the precautionary reserves are released. Fairly standard and prudent action. Plus nobody was left without a vaccination as a result.


  • #2471
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    They didn’t say that, they said they were only a day behind now I.e. a backlog of 5 or 6 thousand. Some of our journalists don’t seem to be able to understand English.

    We don't really have journalists in this country, and any of them half up to the mark are not let within an asses roar of official Ireland to ask questions.


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  • #2472
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Mike3549 wrote: »
    No, ours equate to 65k + 39k backlog

    Huh? There was no backlog in today’s numbers so my figures stand!


  • #2473
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ye do know people need a second dose after 21 days, and failure to do so results in lower immunity. Holding stock until stable supply chains have been established is a good thing. This is explained multiple times every day. Dozens of posters ignore this every day

    This is why we need a different vaccine, a once off dose, and preferably one that doesn't require liquid nitrogen to move it to Ahascragh


  • #2474
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    looks like a clear backlog of 3k added on to today's figures. unless i'm missing something?

    538827.JPG


  • #2475
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yeah I heard him say that. Makes no sense. It's not like it's a blood bank or something. I dont think anybody needs an emergency vaccination.


    You'll need to think about this.
    Say we have 40,000 a week. Weeks 1-4 we issue 40,000 each week. Week 5 we get 40,000 more. Who gets them? Week 1 is now due their second dose. For weeks 5-8 nobody therefore gets a first dose.



    So you build up a buffer and you can issue both first and second jabs on an ongoing basis.


  • #2476
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Ah my bad. I do agree with you. People assuming once 65+ are vaccinated it will mean getting back to a little bit of normality, which as you alluded to 45% of those in hospital are under 65.

    No problem.
    This thread moves so fast that nuance and context can get lost :)


  • #2477
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Ce he sin wrote: »
    You'll need to think about this.
    Say we have 40,000 a week. Weeks 1-4 we issue 40,000 each week. Week 5 we get 40,000 more. Who gets them? Week 1 is now due their second dose. For weeks 5-8 nobody therefore gets a first dose.



    So you build up a buffer and you can issue both first and second jabs on an ongoing basis.

    I think they are more concerned that a plane would be unable to fly or a manufacturing problem would arise and deliveries would fail one week.


  • #2478
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    On the basis that there’s 5 million people here and 66 million in the U.K., if you times today’s cases by 13 to have a comparative populace, ours equate to 107,000 cases.

    I’d say it’s much more rampant here currently and there doesn’t seem to be much staying at home going on either.

    Taking a single day is a little ingenuine.
    Based on the past 7 days and per 100k population
    New Cases: IRL 853 - UK 610
    Deaths: IRL 1.59 - UK 8.38
    In Hospital: IRL 23 - UK 46


  • #2479
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    No problem.
    This thread moves so fast that nuance and context can get lost :)

    When the thread moves too fast, you always know we're in a bad spot :(


  • #2480
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    darem93 wrote: »
    There's no reason at all that those SA cases needed to get into the country. I really just do not understand the lack of security at the airports, like it is absolute insanity.

    It is so frustrating when you think that you are trying to do your bit to get it under control and you hear things like this. It's just like what is the point when the government literally allowed the thing to be imported from abroad?

    This. It is downright insulting to the Irish public to be put through a THIRD lockdown when this thing is being imported with no checks or follow up. This is why people are pi$$ed off no-end. We could have been like NZ by now. And to those who say but, but NI...! F**koff, seal that border. They did it for bloody foot-n-mouth, surely human health is more important.


  • #2481
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Karen vaccinating people on LLS: ' I want to speak to your immune system'.


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  • #2482
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    You might find this interesting. The red line is the best available data to us. I scraped it from Nolan's presentation on the 4th.
    It's cases based on the date the swab was taken.

    538823.png

    Thanks Tony .
    Lovely exponential coloured lines there ;)
    Fair dues .


  • #2483
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Taking a single day is a little ingenuine.
    Based on the past 7 days and per 100k population
    New Cases: IRL 853 - UK 610
    Deaths: IRL 1.59 - UK 8.38
    In Hospital: IRL 23 - UK 46

    No it wasn’t ‘disingenuous’.......it was in answer to it being rampant in the U.K. We have had more cases than the U.K. over the past 4 days, by a LOT.

    Adding in deaths and amounts in hospital to make it seem better here is irrelevant and a bit head in the sand.
    The R number here is DOUBLE over there. That’s a BIG difference.

    We were commenting on cases and how rampant they currently are.

    Thanks.


  • #2484
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    No backlog in the numbers.

    That's nuts. Could easily see 10k plus cases tomorrow
    Was 3096 backlog cases included in todays confirmed number.


  • #2485
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Was 3096 backlog cases included in todays confirmed number.

    Thanks for clarifying, saw a few posts saying there were none. Not quite as bad as thought then.


  • #2486
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    Thanks for clarifying, saw a few posts saying there were none. Not quite as bad as thought then.

    it looks to me like it's coming under control tbh. (the transmission, not the situation in the hospitals, which is dire)


  • #2487
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭embraer170


    It really shouldn't be that difficult to identify passengers coming from South Africa (or anywhere else):

    - Use the data passenger locator form actively and do checks on flights with many passengers arriving from higher risk areas;

    - Airlines could share data about all passengers travelling from South Africa to Ireland through their hubs (self connecting passengers would not be identified but they are a minority);

    - Have immigration ask every passenger where they started their journey: it would take a few seconds at most and easily manageable with today's passenger numbers. The automatic immigration machines may cause an issue but you could have someone ask before/after the machine. You can put an additional filter at customs with officers there screening all passengers with non-green (meaning non-EU) luggage tags.


  • #2488
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    No it wasn’t ‘disingenuous’.......it was in answer to it being rampant in the U.K. We have had more cases than the U.K. over the past 4 days, by a LOT.

    Adding in deaths and amounts in hospital to make it seem better here is irrelevant and a bit head in the sand.

    We were commenting on was cases and how rampant they currently are.

    Thanks.

    Confirmed cases (including a backlog) vs confirmed cases.... yes it's not a fair comparison.
    I added in deaths and hospital figures, because as you believe it's rampant here more than the UK, so I would expect to see us having a lot more in hospital than the UK.


  • #2489
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    HalfAndHalf wrote: »
    ...........Not quite as bad as thought then.

    The hospitals are failing though :

    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/coronavirus/599611/hospital-services-being-scaled-back-to-prevent-overwhelming-impact-of-covid-19-third-wave.html



    At some stage deaths from cancelled scans etc etc will approach the level of covid deaths


  • #2490
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    froog wrote: »
    it looks to me like it's coming under control tbh. (the transmission, not the situation in the hospitals, which is dire)

    I wouldn’t say an R number of between 2.4 and 3 is coming under control myself.


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  • #2491
    HalfAndHalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Confirmed cases (including a backlog) vs confirmed cases.... yes it's not a fair comparison.
    I added in deaths and hospital figures, because as you believe it's rampant here more than the UK, so I would expect to see us having a lot more in hospital than the UK.

    Rampant is how many new people are catching it, not the severity in which they have it.

    So having double a transmission rate doesn’t mean anything to you no?

    Ours is between 2.4 and 3, over is 1.0 and 1.4


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