Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Donald Trump · 08-01-2021 06:33PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I was at completely peaceful BLM protests over the summer yet the police lined the streets in riot gear and had busses ready for arrests - at one protest there was more cops than protesters. Cops regularly chased protesters down public streets when in this case they were taking selfies with protesters that broke into the Capitol and assaulted and killed police.

Here were the DC arrest number comparison despite which obviously involved more law breaking

https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/1347363579389992961?s=20

When police reinforcements arrived to the Capitol - the multiple SWAT teams - they could have easily arrested and kept those inside. Instead they literally held the door as they walked away. Now they have to go through the trouble of tracking them down and many will likely get away with their actions.

https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144?s=20

Jesus Christ. What is your point? What is your biggest takeaway from the shocking scenes witnessed at the Capitol?

A) That it's not fair that they didn't arrest more white "protestors" at the Capitol.

They shouldn't have arrested as many people at some BLM protest in the past.
or

C) What we saw at the Capitol was a shocking attempt at insurrection, encouraged directly and implicitly by senior politicians and administration officials.

I'm going with C. You appear to be more concerned with A or B. Not sure which. Maybe both?

Why are people trying to deflect away from the actual fundamental seriousness of the incident with virtue signalling woke shite. It was an attack on the US institutions of democracy. Not an exercise in tallying arrests by skin colour.

All that other stuff has a place. But it's not relevant here. This was a serious attack on the US system from within. Serious in ideology if not in physical damage (relatively speaking)

ILoveYourVibes · 08-01-2021 06:34PM

I will tell you what though the length that the far right is going to try and change this story hide or or lie about it just goes to show how many middle of the road people got real 'woke' real fast yesterday.

This is not the time for fence sitters right now.

Dillonb3 · 08-01-2021 06:35PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Given the way she has hit back at Cruz, Hawley and now Graham, completely appropriately in all cases, I really hope AOC has access to and is utilising all the appropriate security measures.
She should be one of the leading forces in the Democratic Party for the next 30+ years and will need to be kept safe to do so.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1347585309547110400

That's not the first time they traded barbs on twitter. Cruz got put in his place by her last November

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1331001675545456640

briany · 08-01-2021 06:36PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115

There should be another bit of this tweet that reads, "...and nor will I be going to Dorothy Anne's 16th bday party because's a low-down, stuck-up two-faced, boyfriend-stealing b|tch!"

Dempo1 · 08-01-2021 06:37PM

Jesus wept, RTE, the Late Late, virgin media, most irish media obsessing over CNN"s Donie o Sullivan, you'd think he only started at cnn last week. He's been doing excellent reporting (mainly technology) at CNN since 2016. Only recently RTE falling over themselves swooning over John King, he's been broadcasting over 25 years at CNN.

Dillonb3 · 08-01-2021 06:38PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Jesus wept, RTE, the Late Late, virgin media, most irish media obsessing over CNN"s Donie o Sullivan, you'd think he only started at cnn last week. He's been doing excellent reporting (mainly technology) at CNN since 2016. Only recently RTE falling over themselves swooning over John King, he's been broadcasting over 25 years at CNN.

He appeared on the Dunphy podcast few months back. Was a good listen

ILoveYourVibes · 08-01-2021 06:39PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Jesus wept, RTE, the Late Late, virgin media, most irish media obsessing over CNN"s Donie o Sullivan, you'd think he only started at cnn last week. He's been doing excellent reporting (mainly technology) at CNN since 2016. Only recently RTE falling over themselves swooning over John King, he's been broadcasting over 25 years at CNN.

I only heard of him recently. Shrug.

Cody montana · 08-01-2021 06:41PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain together have a lower population than the USA, But their covid deaths are 400,000 plus combined.
This virus has done the exact same everywhere.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Get out your calculator.

joe40 · 08-01-2021 06:41PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

As I said, I would have expected protests. Clashes between anti-protestors and protestors. Perhaps even attacks on stores or vehicles etc.

Feel free to give me one concrete example from any commentator who predicted that the Trumpers would possibly attack and overrun the Capitol?

Another agency asking them in advance whether they needed any assistance is likely a routine process

I fully expect there to be violence of some sort. I didn't expect them to overrun the senate because you know, the most powerful military in the world, heavily armed police force, national guard etc.
I was naively under the impression America would be able to defend it's seat of government on arguably the most important day in an election cycle.

namloc1980 · 08-01-2021 06:41PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Jesus wept, RTE, the Late Late, virgin media, most irish media obsessing over CNN"s Donie o Sullivan, you'd think he only started at cnn last week. He's been doing excellent reporting (mainly technology) at CNN since 2016. Only recently RTE falling over themselves swooning over John King, he's been broadcasting over 25 years at CNN.

An Irish reporter for a large US news organisation in the middle of a huge historical event and you seem surprised that he is getting attention in domestic media. :pac:

francois · 08-01-2021 06:41PM

AP reporting house impeachment articles for Monday

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-congress-storming-2a82004e2e556eee92481e1474a52148?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

Christy42 · 08-01-2021 06:42PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Jesus Christ. What is your point? What is your biggest takeaway from the shocking scenes witnessed at the Capitol?

A) That it's not fair that they didn't arrest more white protestors at the Capitol.

They shouldn't have arrested as many people at some BLM protest in the past.
or

C) What we saw at the Capitol was a shocking attempt at insurrection, encouraged directly and implicitly by senior politicians and administration officials.

I'm going with C. You appear to be more concerned with A or B. Not sure which. Maybe both?

Why are people trying to deflect away from the actual fundamental seriousness of the incident with virtue signalling woke shite. It was an attack on the US institutions of democracy. Not an exercise in tallying arrests by skin colour.

All that other stuff has a place. But it's not relevant here. This was a serious attack on the US system from within. Serious in ideology if not in physical damage (relatively speaking)

Why are they ors? People who engage in insurrection should be arrested and stopped from continuing any further. The FBI seems to be heavily engaged in tracking them down which is easier than expected because they are dumb but really could have largely been done on the night.

They should have never have gotten that far. These were idiots, not some precision attack. Blm shows that the police know how to get heavy handed and yet were largely incapable or unwilling to deal with an attack on the Capitol which is as fundamentally serious as you suggest.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 08-01-2021 06:43PM

She ain't lying...

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1347598568710930434?s=19

francois · 08-01-2021 06:45PM

https://twitter.com/its_menieb/status/1347598836743753732/photo/1

everlast75 · 08-01-2021 06:46PM

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=19

Such a despicable little sh1t

Donald Trump · 08-01-2021 06:47PM

Overheal wrote: »

I won't even stop stressing then. You just know Trump won't go away. Even if he's indicted his orbit will pick up the fight, even if he's arrested. And these militia yahoos will go to bat. These types idolize the Timothy McVeighs. We haven't seen the last act of terrorism inspired by Trump.

The McVeigh reference is relevant to my points. He was aligned with certain paranoid militia movements (which were subsequently monitored various degrees). Someone else posted about the WH being locked down during a BLM protest as if it had some relevance here. The WH is locked down whenever there is a danger in the area. The Ellipse out front is secured and Pennsylvania is cleared out back. FYI, Penn Ave was only pedestrianized (15th - 17th st NW) about 25 years ago in response to fears of domestic terrorism inspired by the likes of McVeigh.

So, to me, that is the serious part about the recent attack. Are we going to see a rise of similar groups?

People virtue signalling tallying up arrests of whites vs blacks are only deflecting from that. Possibly on purpose. Who knows.

Cody montana · 08-01-2021 06:49PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=19

Such a despicable little sh1t

Lady G has zero principles.

Dempo1 · 08-01-2021 06:49PM

Dillonb3 wrote: »

He appeared on the Dunphy podcast few months back. Was a good listen

He is excellent, I've been watching him for years and has done some excellent work at CNN, particularly on Facebook. I'm just amused at Irish Main street media suddenly discovery that excellent Irish Journalists work beyond the Irish Sea and Atlantic ocean, indeed I'd go so far as to say the best seem to work in Europe, UK and USA.

Donald Trump · 08-01-2021 06:49PM

joe40 wrote: »

I fully expect there to be violence of some sort. I didn't expect them to overrun the senate because you know, the most powerful military in the world, heavily armed police force, national guard etc.
I was naively under the impression America would be able to defend it's seat of government on arguably the most important day in an election cycle.

That was exactly my point! Others on here told me everyone predicted it :rolleyes:

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:49PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=19

Such a despicable little sh1t

I responded to him directly. They think he's an opportunistic coattail holding RINO. He would have been the first one they held a kangaroo court for. Many others they would have killed on sight. Some would have been beaten to death and raped.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 06:50PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=19

Such a despicable little sh1t

He can't be honest to himself, then how do you expect he'll manage himself as a politician?

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:50PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

The McVeigh reference is relevant to my points. He was aligned with certain paranoid militia movements (which were subsequently monitored various degrees). Someone else posted about the WH being locked down during a BLM protest as if it had some relevance here. The WH is locked down whenever there is a danger in the area. The Ellipse out front is secured and Pennsylvania is cleared out back. FYI, Penn Ave was only pedestrianized (15th - 17th st NW) about 25 years ago in response to fears of domestic terrorism inspired by the likes of McVeigh.

So, to me, that is the serious part about the recent attack. Are we going to see a rise of similar groups?

People virtue signalling tallying up arrests of whites vs blacks are only deflecting from that. Possibly on purpose. Who knows.

Some of that is people equivocating a coup d'etat to looting a Nike shoes outlet.

yagan · 08-01-2021 06:50PM

The FBI have to come down hard too because they have to weed out radicalised in their own security forces, and it's very important that they find out if any of Trump appointed sycophants have compromised national security on his command.

Trump incited an insurrection which almost succeeded and for the Senate and Congress to not come down hard on the mob and its leader is to show weakness.

Dempo1 · 08-01-2021 06:51PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=19

Such a despicable little sh1t

Little being an apt discription of these odious clown. Watching all these Trump enablers suddenly find reality is cringe enducing, especially Mulvaney & Graham

Overheal · 08-01-2021 06:52PM

yagan wrote: »

The FBI have to come down hard too because they have to weed out radicalised in their own security forces, and it's very important that they find out if any of Trump appointed sycophants have compromised national security on his command.

Trump incited an insurrection which almost succeeded and for the Senate and Congress to not come down hard on the mob and its leader is to show weakness.

It invites it to happen again.

There should be capital punishment for some of those post-human filth, specifically those ex military that were armed and prepared for this day. I can forgive the ignorant masses, but not them. Treason is punishable by death.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 06:53PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So Bidens presidency will be about one thing, taking down Trump , not a good luck. Ford pardoned Nixon to draw a line under it, and to move on.

trump made his presidency about undoing everything Obama had done because he was mean to him at the WHCA dinner, so what's your point?

Dempo1 · 08-01-2021 06:53PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I only heard of him recently. Shrug.

Unfortunately, I'm hooked on US networks, worked in the US but must state clearly, NOT FOX

Carfacemandog · 08-01-2021 06:54PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

As I said, I would have expected protests. Clashes between anti-protestors and protestors. Perhaps even attacks on stores or vehicles etc.

Feel free to give me one concrete example from any commentator who predicted that the Trumpers would possibly attack and overrun the Capitol?

Another agency asking them in advance whether they needed any assistance is likely a routine process

OK here you go

Overheal wrote: »

I would have said no but he's made clear plans to be in DC on January 6 and for people to show up on the 6th. Parlerbots are taking this to mean he needs them there in droves to overthrow the government if Pence has the audacity to adhere to the law and count the electors.

They were discussing it out on the open on social media, as they now are for Jan 19th.

Authorities knew tens if not hundreds of thousands would be there due to the Million MAGA event that proved to be nothing more than a way to get these people built into a rage and ready to fight, which they did.

So yes, it was well known. And the scale was known. Yet the routine process of ramping up security for this was not only refused, there were also measures put in place to prevent them from doing so when things escalated.

And that's before noting that you ignored the parts of my post where multiple attempts to call in help were rejected by Trunos secretary of defense and by the police chief who has now resigned admit a lending investigation into his actions.

joe40 · 08-01-2021 06:54PM

Overheal wrote: »

It invites it to happen again.

There should be capital punishment for some of those post-human filth, specifically those ex military that were armed and prepared for this day. I can forgive the ignorant masses, but not them. Treason is punishable by death.

I share your anger but capital punishment has no place in a western democracy.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 06:54PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Anyone paying attention saw it coming, I pretty sure it was mentioned multiple times in this thread even.

The pentagon were aware and offered assistance... the police said no. Then after having let the terrorists through, police again refused assistance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/capitol-police-rejected-offers-federal-214932103.html

The House has said they will be launching an investigation into this, and the chief of that police force has announced he is resigning as of Jan 16th. Rank and file have also said they are outraged about what happened due to 'leadership'.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1253389

On top of that, Maryland Governor has come out and said they were repeatedly denied assistance from the NG and it appears they only got it in the end because people broke protocol and worked through unofficial channels:

https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/status/1347374738369175553

The more and more comes out on this, the shadier it seems, and calls into question why Trump was so quick to get out thebliebthatnhe "immediately sent the NG" as soon as things got violent, when all sides say he had nothing to do with releasing them at all and if anything appears to have tried to make it so adequate support could not get there in time.

Thoughts?

I made that point in response to a link shared by Francois earlier today, but posters said it was too reactionary

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