Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

jill_valentine wrote: »

Not that guy. That guy is very careful to hide his identity.

This guy -

https://mobile.twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347279463088844800

is wearing his actual unit insignia and likely some of his actual service issue.

Oh yeah, that guy is bang to rights... saw they've identified him on Twitter hours ago. Apparently he retired a quite well-ranked officer.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I know what you said. I quoted it twice. no point going any further with you.

No, you either misread what I said or you're incorrectly inferring something from what I said. The only reason there'd be no point in going any further is if you actually re-read what I said and you're in too deep to just back out now.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

No, you either misread what I said or you're incorrectly inferring something from what I said. The only reason there'd be no point in going any further is if you actually re-read what I said and you're in too deep to just back out now.

I have clarified exactly what part of your post I was disagreeing with. you think they have mental health issues. I disagree. I think they are just gullible and stupid. life is too short to listen to tedious **** from people who just suck the energy out of everything.

duploelabs wrote: »

Absolutely and categorically not. A mental health issue would potentially make someone susceptible to radicalization but it doesn't work the other way round

So you would suggest that a person with no mental health issues that is radicalized into a suicide bombing isn't suffering from mental health issues at the time they decide to carry out and ultimately do carry out the bombing?

Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.
[...]
Mental Health...

involves effective functioning in daily activities resulting in

Productive activities (work, school, caregiving)
Healthy relationships
Ability to adapt to change and cope with adversity

Mental Illness...

refers collectively to all diagnosable mental disorders — health conditions involving

Significant changes in thinking, emotion and/or behavior
Distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities

Source:
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness

It might be easier for you to provide what definition you're working from because I think we're at cross purposes.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I disagree, impeachment could be filed today if they wanted to. My understanding of the reason for delay is that there is a bigger case to be built.

There's a few charges that could be leveled against him, now that a police officer has died because of the march on the senate he encouraged.

• Murder, kidnapping resulting in death, or conspiracy to kill resulting in death, of the President of the United States, the Vice President, or a member of the presidential staff
  
• Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror, or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, whether such killing occurs or not

Pence's life was endangered so Trump has two choices now, go quietly or go for broke. The former is the smart option, but we're taking about a narcissist who's lucid moments are extremely rare and against character.

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't go that far Overheal.

In fairness, if they had acted in a more heavy handed fashion, it could have been a bloodbath. I don't think anyone would want to see that.

Besides once they were in the building, they really hadn't a clue what to do with themselves. I don't think anybody had thought things through.

Cops removed barriers and waved people to the building? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksolcp/capital_police_waving_people_in_past_the_gates/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

The woman who died and a dozen others were smashing into that door and police on the assault side of the door just basically seemed to stand down and walked away as it happened and left the defending side to use lethal force.

Watch screen #2, I don’t think it’s crazy to think they were complicit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksgvin/hes_got_a_gun_synced_videos_showing_woman_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Overheal wrote: »

Cops removed barriers and waved people to the building? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksolcp/capital_police_waving_people_in_past_the_gates/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Doesn't look good but it's possible the cop in that clip is encouraging another cop to hurry up.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

So you would suggest that a person with no mental health issues that is radicalized into a suicide bombing isn't suffering from mental health issues at the time they decide to carry out and ultimately do carry out the bombing?

No i would not agree whatsoever.

Mainly due in part to the strength of radicalization, indoctrination, and in the social media world, the strength of the bubble created by those platforms by the algorithms
For example you tube will say 'oh you like this jihadist, then maybe you'll like this one', and that's not discounting the proliferation of the Sinclair network that has overtaken local news in the states.

Have a watch, if you haven't already, of The Social Dilemma on netfix

sydthebeat wrote: »

He already has found a party that love him.

The Nazi party

Yes. Sort-of-lol. You and I know how far Adolf's brand carried.

Of the 80 million Trumpites out there, few are ready to throw their MAGA hats away. As much as I think the institutional
checks are robust, there are a lot of yahoos on the run in the US, and guns are
a preferred method of ending a conversation, even when they are just invoked.

Chump's brand name sticks, and he can survive this if he isn't impeached or found criminally responsible for a number of things. The divide is really great between the Left and Right, and they follow their instincts to the bitter end.

jill_valentine wrote: »

There were two distinct calibres there, and a middle ground of Q Anon crackpots.

The Walking Dead, wandering around with flags and no masks, just delighted for a day out to own the libs -

https://twitter.com/1BrayWoods/status/1346929792784887808

And a visibly more purposeful paramilitary element that had distinct objectives, clear preparation for hostage taking, and far more organisation -

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347279463088844800

The first benefitted from the extraordinarily ineffective or even collaborative Capitol Police, one of whom was seen giving directions to Chuck Schumer's office.

But there are several reports the latter attackers had particular offices in mind and knew exactly where to find them; they very much had an organised and communicated plan.

Do you have a link to this video giving directions to a named senators office?

Acosta wrote: »

If it had been a BLM protest they wouldn't have been near the place. They would have been half a kilometre back or however far away people are meant to be from the capital, probably getting run at by cops with batons and being pepper sprayed.

As shocking as the attempt seeing them being allowed to casually walk out again is far more shocking. At that says is that a significant amount of people in law and order and the military tacitly approved an attempt and most likely they'd stand aside again.

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

If this had been a BLM/Antifa protest all those statues would have been pulled down and based on their usual MO the place would have be set on fire.

Doubts have been raised whether a violent subset of a BLM/Antifa group would have been allowed to get into the Capitol building at all.

Besides, in my view a key difference between the American far-right and far-left is that the far-left may want to burn the whole establishment down and start again, whereas, the far-right want the establishment reformed in their image, and they see old statues of statesmen as being something they want to preside in front of rather than destroy. What they want to physically destroy is Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all those Republicans they see as traitorous, and they would have done that if they had been allowed to get within reaching distance on Wednesday.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

something that hotmail.com has overlooked is that while CNN made a mistake, and every news source does, they also admitted that mistake as soon as they were aware of it and made a retraction. that is the action of a reputable news source

I didn't overlook that, one of my posts said that.

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Wasnt that just a statement by an anonymous Whitehouse "insiders", So as usual no proof he actually said it.

On to another point.
As far as the protestors go and it is unfortunate there was any violence as that always needs to be condemned but at least they seemed to be mostly peaceful protests, When I first saw some of the footage it seemed like the whole thing was chaos but infact most of it was like the video below, More like an occupy protest than anything else.

If this had been a BLM/Antifa protest all those statues would have been pulled down and based on their usual MO the place would have be set on fire.

If it had been a BLM protest, none of them would have made it past the steps, much less scaled the walls and pushed their way through broken doors and windows. The MAGA mob were treated like tourists in a time share they partly owned.