Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

jimmycrackcorm · 08-01-2021 01:52PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

He definitely needs to be held to account without question, it's also very politically astute from the Democrats.

They could get the articles of impeachment over to the Senate in a day or two at most from the House.

They then force the GOP Senators to pin their colours to the mast.
[*]Will McConnell bring it to the floor for a vote?
[*]If there's a vote how many Senators will vote against his impeachment?
[*]If he was actually impeached , would Pence then give him a pardon for all his other stuff (allowing for the fact that he can't be pardoned for the specific impeachment charges)?
[*]Would Pence give out pardons to the rest of the family etc.?

The GOP senators must be aware that the Dems will now have control with all three branches, so if they want to start working in a bipartisan way, then this is the what they will need to do.

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 01:56PM

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

The Supreme Court has held that anonymous speech is largely protected by the first amendment.

For potentially criminal speech, certainly an individual would find it hard to identify anonymous/pseudonymous individuals but not necessarily law enforcement.

From a defamation point of view, it's actually quite easy to get a court order (at least from my experience in CA) to compel intermediaries and/or hosts to disclose ISPs and thereafter for ISPs to identify the lessor of the ISP once a John/Jane Doe defamation case is brought.

valoren · 08-01-2021 01:59PM

"Benedict Pence is Judas. Mitt Pence. Mike McCain. Weasel. Weakling. Quitter. Coward. Democrats' new bitch. He's not 1/100th the man Donald Trump is. He should sign up for a free Obamacare sex change. The conservative right in America needed him to step up and fight with the President. Instead he backed down, put his tail between his legs and slithered off to hide under a rock and lick his own pussy. I don't ever want to see his face again"

A disturbing insight into what a radicalised Trump supporter thinks about Pence.

jill_valentine · 08-01-2021 01:59PM

Btw he's also ex Air Force, I wonder if he came there with the woman who was killed.

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 02:00PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Not that guy. That guy is very careful to hide his identity.

This guy -

https://mobile.twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347279463088844800

is wearing his actual unit insignia and likely some of his actual service issue.

Oh yeah, that guy is bang to rights... saw they've identified him on Twitter hours ago. Apparently he retired a quite well-ranked officer.

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 02:02PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Go back and read my post, perhaps slowly this time. I did not say that "stupidity and gullibility are [...] mental health issues."

I know what you said. I quoted it twice. no point going any further with you.

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 02:04PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I know what you said. I quoted it twice. no point going any further with you.

No, you either misread what I said or you're incorrectly inferring something from what I said. The only reason there'd be no point in going any further is if you actually re-read what I said and you're in too deep to just back out now.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 02:06PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I can accept that, but would it be ok to say that they are perhaps suffering from mental health issues because of their constant exposure to Q and other conspiracy / radicalization sources?

For example, I would agree that a terrorist doesn't succumb to radicalization because they have mental health issues necessarily; but I would suggest that whilst they're carrying out the terrorist act they almost certainly aren't acting in a manner conducive to a healthy mental state of being.

Absolutely and categorically not. A mental health issue would potentially make someone susceptible to radicalization but it doesn't work the other way round

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 02:06PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

No, you either misread what I said or you're incorrectly inferring something from what I said. The only reason there'd be no point in going any further is if you actually re-read what I said and you're in too deep to just back out now.

I have clarified exactly what part of your post I was disagreeing with. you think they have mental health issues. I disagree. I think they are just gullible and stupid. life is too short to listen to tedious **** from people who just suck the energy out of everything.

Jaded Walker · 08-01-2021 02:08PM

There's no chance of impeachment at this stage, it's too late.
All it takes is long speeches and question and answer sessions to make sure of that.
Let him face charges at state level and the Democrats can was their hands of him and basically make a clear statement that it's a matter for the State in question and not a federal matter.
He'll fade from the headlines having to live under the rules of his bail.

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 02:09PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Absolutely and categorically not. A mental health issue would potentially make someone susceptible to radicalization but it doesn't work the other way round

So you would suggest that a person with no mental health issues that is radicalized into a suicide bombing isn't suffering from mental health issues at the time they decide to carry out and ultimately do carry out the bombing?

Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.
[...]
Mental Health...

involves effective functioning in daily activities resulting in

Productive activities (work, school, caregiving)
Healthy relationships
Ability to adapt to change and cope with adversity

Mental Illness...

refers collectively to all diagnosable mental disorders — health conditions involving

Significant changes in thinking, emotion and/or behavior
Distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities

Source:
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness

It might be easier for you to provide what definition you're working from because I think we're at cross purposes.

FreudianSlippers · 08-01-2021 02:11PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

There's no chance of impeachment at this stage, it's too late.
All it takes is long speeches and question and answer sessions to make sure of that.
Let him face charges at state level and the Democrats can was their hands of him and basically make a clear statement that it's a matter for the State in question and not a federal matter.
He'll fade from the headlines having to live under the rules of his bail.

I disagree, impeachment could be filed today if they wanted to. My understanding of the reason for delay is that there is a bigger case to be built.

If you're talking about conviction, that's a different and unprecedented story with serious repercussions for even attempting to use the Republican theory that past-Presidents can still be impeached against them.

Quin_Dub · 08-01-2021 02:21PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Oh yeah, that guy is bang to rights... saw they've identified him on Twitter hours ago. Apparently he retired a quite well-ranked officer.

There was also the absolute Gimp wearing his work ID badge on a lanyard around his neck as he smashed the place up....

If they actually thought they were committing crimes they'd have masked up etc.

These people genuinely believed that they were in the right and that they are patriots.

jill_valentine · 08-01-2021 02:25PM

So it turns out the dead woman was in an Air Force security unit specifically tasked with guarding the capital, that trains specifically as a rapid reaction squad for situations just like the one she participated in

She then served in the Air Force Reserves and the Air National Guard. In the Guard, she was assigned to a unit based near Washington that is known as the “Capital Guardians,” because one of their primary missions is defending the city. Security forces in the squadron regularly train with riot shields and clubs for what the Air Force calls “civil disturbance missions.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/who-was-ashli-babbitt.html

She likely had knowledge of the building and its security fallbacks. She had to have been heavily involved in planning this, if not a ringleader. This was not a wrong place/wrong time situation.

I wonder if the other ex air force guy served with her.

yagan · 08-01-2021 02:26PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I disagree, impeachment could be filed today if they wanted to. My understanding of the reason for delay is that there is a bigger case to be built.

There's a few charges that could be leveled against him, now that a police officer has died because of the march on the senate he encouraged.

Murder, kidnapping resulting in death, or conspiracy to kill resulting in death, of the President of the United States, the Vice President, or a member of the presidential staff
Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror, or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, whether such killing occurs or not

Pence's life was endangered so Trump has two choices now, go quietly or go for broke. The former is the smart option, but we're taking about a narcissist who's lucid moments are extremely rare and against character.

yagan · 08-01-2021 02:31PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

So it turns out the dead woman was in an Air Force security unit specifically tasked with guarding the capital, that trains specifically as a rapid reaction squad for situations just like the one she participated in

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/who-was-ashli-babbitt.html

She likely had knowledge of the building and its security fallbacks. She had to have been heavily involved in planning this, if not a ringleader. This was not a wrong place/wrong time situation.

I wonder if the other ex air force guy served with her.

Very likely her conspirators walked away the minute they knew they couldn't take hostages and were hours away once the Senate was secured.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 02:33PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't go that far Overheal.

In fairness, if they had acted in a more heavy handed fashion, it could have been a bloodbath. I don't think anyone would want to see that.

Besides once they were in the building, they really hadn't a clue what to do with themselves. I don't think anybody had thought things through.

Cops removed barriers and waved people to the building? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksolcp/capital_police_waving_people_in_past_the_gates/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

The woman who died and a dozen others were smashing into that door and police on the assault side of the door just basically seemed to stand down and walked away as it happened and left the defending side to use lethal force.

Watch screen #2, I don’t think it’s crazy to think they were complicit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksgvin/hes_got_a_gun_synced_videos_showing_woman_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Chris_Heilong · 08-01-2021 02:38PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Remember when Trump called ex and current armed forces members suckers and losers?

Wasnt that just a statement by an anonymous Whitehouse "insiders", So as usual no proof he actually said it.

On to another point.
As far as the protestors go and it is unfortunate there was any violence as that always needs to be condemned but at least they seemed to be mostly peaceful protests, When I first saw some of the footage it seemed like the whole thing was chaos but infact most of it was like the video below, More like an occupy protest than anything else.

If this had been a BLM/Antifa protest all those statues would have been pulled down and based on their usual MO the place would have be set on fire.

nolivesmatter · 08-01-2021 02:41PM

Overheal wrote: »

Cops removed barriers and waved people to the building? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksolcp/capital_police_waving_people_in_past_the_gates/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Doesn't look good but it's possible the cop in that clip is encouraging another cop to hurry up.

yagan · 08-01-2021 02:41PM

Overheal wrote: »

Watch screen #2, I don’t think it’s crazy to think they were complicit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksgvin/hes_got_a_gun_synced_videos_showing_woman_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Even the pigeons were calling it a coup.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 02:44PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

So you would suggest that a person with no mental health issues that is radicalized into a suicide bombing isn't suffering from mental health issues at the time they decide to carry out and ultimately do carry out the bombing?

No i would not agree whatsoever.

Mainly due in part to the strength of radicalization, indoctrination, and in the social media world, the strength of the bubble created by those platforms by the algorithms
For example you tube will say 'oh you like this jihadist, then maybe you'll like this one', and that's not discounting the proliferation of the Sinclair network that has overtaken local news in the states.

Have a watch, if you haven't already, of The Social Dilemma on netfix

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 02:44PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Wasnt that just a statement by an anonymous Whitehouse "insiders", So as usual no proof he actually said it.

On to another point.
As far as the protestors go and it is unfortunate there was any violence as that always needs to be condemned but at least they seemed to be mostly peaceful protests, When I first saw some of the footage it seemed like the whole thing was chaos but infact most of it was like the video below, More like an occupy protest than anything else.

If this had been a BLM/Antifa protest all those statues would have been pulled down and based on their usual MO the place would have be set on fire.

have you decided to ignore all the other videos available that show protestors breaking windows, thrashing offices and stealing a lecturn?

Kaybaykwah · 08-01-2021 02:48PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

He already has found a party that love him.

The Nazi party

Yes. Sort-of-lol. You and I know how far Adolf's brand carried.

Of the 80 million Trumpites out there, few are ready to throw their MAGA hats away. As much as I think the institutional
checks are robust, there are a lot of yahoos on the run in the US, and guns are
a preferred method of ending a conversation, even when they are just invoked.

Chump's brand name sticks, and he can survive this if he isn't impeached or found criminally responsible for a number of things. The divide is really great between the Left and Right, and they follow their instincts to the bitter end.

Acosta · 08-01-2021 02:48PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

If this had been a BLM/Antifa protest all those statues would have been pulled down and based on their usual MO the place would have be set on fire.

If it had been a BLM protest they wouldn't have been near the place. They would have been half a kilometre back or however far away people are meant to be from the capital, probably getting run at by cops with batons and being pepper sprayed.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 02:49PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

There were two distinct calibres there, and a middle ground of Q Anon crackpots.

The Walking Dead, wandering around with flags and no masks, just delighted for a day out to own the libs -

https://twitter.com/1BrayWoods/status/1346929792784887808

And a visibly more purposeful paramilitary element that had distinct objectives, clear preparation for hostage taking, and far more organisation -

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347279463088844800

The first benefitted from the extraordinarily ineffective or even collaborative Capitol Police, one of whom was seen giving directions to Chuck Schumer's office.

But there are several reports the latter attackers had particular offices in mind and knew exactly where to find them; they very much had an organised and communicated plan.

Do you have a link to this video giving directions to a named senators office?

everlast75 · 08-01-2021 02:50PM

https://twitter.com/jeremynewberger/status/1347540575671767041?s=19

yagan · 08-01-2021 02:52PM

Acosta wrote: »

If it had been a BLM protest they wouldn't have been near the place. They would have been half a kilometre back or however far away people are meant to be from the capital, probably getting run at by cops with batons and being pepper sprayed.

As shocking as the attempt seeing them being allowed to casually walk out again is far more shocking. At that says is that a significant amount of people in law and order and the military tacitly approved an attempt and most likely they'd stand aside again.

Donald Trump · 08-01-2021 02:53PM

yagan wrote: »

Even the pigeons were calling it a coup.

No no.

They were calling it a coop

That's their gaff. Some live up in the rafters under the roof

briany · 08-01-2021 02:54PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

If this had been a BLM/Antifa protest all those statues would have been pulled down and based on their usual MO the place would have be set on fire.

Doubts have been raised whether a violent subset of a BLM/Antifa group would have been allowed to get into the Capitol building at all.

Besides, in my view a key difference between the American far-right and far-left is that the far-left may want to burn the whole establishment down and start again, whereas, the far-right want the establishment reformed in their image, and they see old statues of statesmen as being something they want to preside in front of rather than destroy. What they want to physically destroy is Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all those Republicans they see as traitorous, and they would have done that if they had been allowed to get within reaching distance on Wednesday.

Professor Moriarty · 08-01-2021 02:57PM

duploelabs wrote: »

No i would not agree whatsoever.

Mainly due in part to the strength of radicalization, indoctrination, and in the social media world, the strength of the bubble created by those platforms by the algorithms
For example you tube will say 'oh you like this jihadist, then maybe you'll like this one', and that's not discounting the proliferation of the Sinclair network that has overtaken local news in the states.

Have a watch, if you haven't already, of The Social Dilemma on netfix

If you are actively suicidal for whatever reason you are deemed to be psychiatrically unwell.

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