Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Ireland intently signed up to the EU deal. The EU were not going to chuck us out for not signing up to the deal. And we were right to sign up for the deal.

However

We should have cut our own deal with Pfizer and moderna on the sly at the same time. It's what proper leadership does. We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.

Big Dick leadership? Aye, dead on.

hotmail.com wrote: »

At what point will the hospitals not be able to cope? Are we still way off that?

We are at the point where we can cope by cancelling or postponing routine or non urgent surgeries.

How long can we cancel everything?

I know of people who have had stage four cancer operations cancelled. They feel like they have been given death sentences.

We are now cancelling important surgeries that have an impact on peoples survival.

We cant cope and keep things going.

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RGNRatched/status/1347502306653306881?s=20

at this stage HSE should be reporting admission vs acquired COVID how many of the 1000+ people with COVID in hospital acquired it there...

Report a few months ago showed 40% of people in hospitals either contracted COVID in hospital, or tested positive on arrival when admitted for an unrelated reason.

So there's still a very significant number of hospital admissions for COVID currently.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Report a few months ago showed 40% of people in hospitals either contracted COVID in hospital, or tested positive on arrival when admitted for an unrelated reason.

So there's still a very significant number of hospital admissions for COVID currently.

agreed and I'm not ignoring that and it doesn't change the overall situation - but it shows up again that we are not sufficiently managing infection control in the hospitals - something that needs to be resolved for waves 4,5,6 etc...

It also materially changes the hospitalization rate for COVID and can sku all the data..

Strange one - anyone else's skin very dry? Same issue at the start of lockdown 1. Plenty of moisturiser but it's only helping to an extent.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Report a few months ago showed 40% of people in hospitals either contracted COVID in hospital, or tested positive on arrival when admitted for an unrelated reason.

So there's still a very significant number of hospital admissions for COVID currently.

This seems to be pretty consistent even at the moment. There were around 100 new admissions yesterday and around 80 cases of acquired infection. So just under 40% of today's increase is hospital-acquired.

The danger is in being tempted to exclude them from the stats because they're technically not consuming a new bed.

However, a covid-positive test means they have to be moved to a covid ward, it complicates their treatment for the original complaint and means they may still end up in ICU on a ventilator.

And ultimately the number of hospital beds available is a secondary stat; the primary issue is ICU. Tracking covid infections in hospital beds lets us predict what's coming down to ICU in a few days. So every patient counts, regardless of where their infection was acquired.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Hands or in general?

If its hands I tend to assume theres a dodgy batch of hand sanitizer (if theres not enough aloe it can dry your skin out).

No sorry, should've elaborated - my face! Hands are a-ok thankfully

Hellrazer wrote: »

Is it me or am I over simplifying things?

You're probably oversimplifying it a little bit. It would work grand if there was just a single site administering the vaccine, but when you have teams going out to sites all over the place, it becomes a bit more troublesome.

The paper trail just makes it more difficult to "forget" to enter some data and allows the work to be replayed / audited.

It's pretty common where you need to do something quickly and the I.T. set up isn't right. A team of health professionals may not have the knowledge or experience to use an excel sheet effectively to track details without making a load of mistakes and slowing themselves down.

But they know how to write. And fill in forms. Then at the end of the day you hand the forms to someone who does know how to use excel.

So while it seems archaic, it can sometimes be faster to initially go with what you know than to try and innovate.

It does speak to a severe lack of foresight on the part of the HSE. Whatever about the rest of the rollout, the urgent need for a vaccination database should have been blindingly obvious as far back as August, and they should have engaged NearForm to work their magic again.

Hellrazer wrote: »

Whatever about the supply side of things I still feel if we had 8 million vaccines available to us this minute there would still be too much red tape in rolling out the vaccine.

Why in 2021 do we have to have paper trails for a vaccine roll out in a global pandemic.

Surely the easiest way would be to just use everyones PPS number.

Mr Hellrazer - PPS 1234567X - Vaccinated on 08/01/2021 - Second dose due 05/02/2021.
Second dose done - its entered into a database. FFS you could use excel to track pps numbers.

Is it me or am I over simplifying things?

the public services card that we were supposed to get (until some kicked up a fuss and said it infringed on our privacy) would have been perfect for this.
im sure youd get the same people going mad if you had to supply the PPS number to the HSE.

poppers wrote: »

the public services card that we were supposed to get (until some kicked up a fuss and said it infringed on our privacy) would have been perfect for this.
im sure youd get the same people going mad if you had to supply the PPS number to the HSE.

HSE already use PPSNs for medical cards and drug payment scheme cards.

Gruffalux wrote: »

A bit of Covid-related light relief (ooh-er)
Couple fined £4400 in Barbados for sneaking a lady into their hotel room for a threesome. That's not the really funny part ....the ball-clutchingly-tight white pants on the male culprit are the funny part. The state of him :pac:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9125431/British-couple-tried-sneak-woman-luxury-Barbados-hotel-room-fined.html
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Was the third lady fined? I tried reading it but its like trying to count water molecules in a river

funnydoggy wrote: »

No sorry, should've elaborated - my face! Hands are a-ok thankfully

I hadn't heard this one before, but a friend in the UK has just been diagnosed with Covid, her *only* symptom was dry skin and a mild rash... It's unlikely, but just in case...

rob316 wrote: »

My brother's friend is a doctor in a hospital in Cork and he said in the previous waves people were requiring hospitalization within 10 days, now its about 3 days. So we may see hospital figures peak much earlier.

I assume that's days from a positive test and not onset of symptoms?