Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

dwayneshintzy · 08-01-2021 12:35PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Media organisations are suppose to source such serious news themselves. They didn't do their homework. Other broadcasters waited.

Yes, I hope we can all acknowledge that the biggest issue relating to a policeman being murdered by pro-Trump protestors is that some news networks prematurely reported his death. THAT is what is most concerning.

hotmail.com · 08-01-2021 12:35PM

everlast75 wrote: »

You could of course start a thread on CNN and dicuss their credibility in that arena, but you'd probably be unsuccessful in trying to distract that trump organised and incited a riot and should be impeached for it which is what you're trying to do here.

Given that so many on here are getting their news from America off CNN, and given that CNN has self identified as the Trump channel, their output is particularly relevant to any discussion on Trump.

everlast75 · 08-01-2021 12:36PM

briany wrote: »

The only good impeaching Trump would do at this stage would be just a formal declaration that his nonsense isn't tolerated. But if you really want to go after Trump, there is plenty of evidence to get him on after he's out of office and no longer as protected, including being on tape asking for voter fraud be committed on his behalf.

They are not mutually exclusive

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 12:37PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Given that so many on here are getting their news from America off CNN, and given that CNN has self identified as the Trump channel, their output is particularly relevant to any discussion on Trump.

are they?

Smee_Again · 08-01-2021 12:38PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Media organisations are suppose to source such serious news themselves. They didn't do their homework. Other broadcasters waited.

They did, they cited 2 other sources as well.

Carfacemandog · 08-01-2021 12:38PM

Mike Murdock wrote: »

I would hope so.

Undoubtedly they will face federal criminal proceedings which will lead to harsh sentences.

Edited my earlier post a bit late, FBI appear all over this.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/violence-at-the-united-states-capitol
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/violence-at-the-united-states-capitol-2
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/violence-at-the-united-states-capitol-3
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/violence-at-the-united-states-capitol-4

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/suspected-pipe-bombs-in-washington-dc

everlast75 · 08-01-2021 12:38PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Given that so many on here are getting their news from America off CNN, and given that CNN has self identified as the Trump channel, their output is particularly relevant to any discussion on Trump.

If you were banging on for years about Fox being a regurgitation of utter nonsense, I'd perhaps listen to you.

If I raise the fact that Fox is garbage, you'll do the whole false equivalency thing, and round and round we go.

Research shows that CNN is a more reliable source than Fox, so I'm not getting into it with you or anyone else.

Networks can make mistakes, but I don't need the prism of any news network to see what happened here.

Trump organised and incited a riot where people died.

The fact is he should be impeached and convincted.

hotmail.com · 08-01-2021 12:39PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are they?

Seems that way to me. If Twitter and boards are anything to go by.

I believe a CNN reporter is going to appear on the LLS tonight!

jill_valentine · 08-01-2021 12:40PM

briany wrote: »

The only good impeaching Trump would do at this stage would be just a formal declaration that his nonsense isn't tolerated. But if you really want to go after Trump, there is plenty of evidence to get him on after he's out of office and no longer as protected, including being on tape asking for voter fraud be committed on his behalf.

Impeaching could remove his capacity to lay down pardons for any more convicted traitors, point blank child murdering war criminals, or family members. It could also prevent him from running or fundraising to run again.

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 12:40PM

everlast75 wrote: »

If you were banging on for years about Fox being a regurgitation of utter nonsense, I'd perhaps listen to you.

If I raise the fact that Fox is garbage, you'll do the whole false equivalency thing, and round and round we go.

Research shows that CNN is a more reliable source than Fox, so I'm not getting into it with you or anyone else.

Networks can make mistakes, but I don't need the prism of any news network to see what happened here.

Trump organised and incited a riot where people died.

The fact is he should be impeached and convincted.

something that hotmail.com has overlooked is that while CNN made a mistake, and every news source does, they also admitted that mistake as soon as they were aware of it and made a retraction. that is the action of a reputable news source

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 12:42PM

briany wrote: »

The only good impeaching Trump would do at this stage would be just a formal declaration that his nonsense isn't tolerated. But if you really want to go after Trump, there is plenty of evidence to get him on after he's out of office and no longer as protected, including being on tape asking for voter fraud be committed on his behalf.

as others have said a proper impeachment, i.e. conviction in the senate, has real and serious consequences for trump. it also doesn't preclude the indictment on charges after he is finished as president.

nolivesmatter · 08-01-2021 12:43PM

[QUOTE=briany;115848688]The only good impeaching Trump would do at this stage would be just a formal declaration that his nonsense isn't tolerated. But if you really want to go after Trump, there is plenty of evidence to get him on after he's out of office and no longer as protected, including being on tape asking for voter fraud be committed on his behalf.[/QUOTE]

I actually think he needs to be impeached now with immediately effect to disarm him from doing anything out of spite before he goes. With only a couple weeks left there's little reason for him to be wielding any power now anyway.

Quin_Dub · 08-01-2021 12:44PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Seems that way to me. If Twitter and boards are anything to go by.

I believe a CNN reporter is going to appear on the LLS tonight!

I'm going to assume that said reporter will be Donie O'Sullivan.

His appearance on the LLS might have more to do with the fact that he's from Cahirsiveen rather than his specific employer...

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 12:45PM

https://twitter.com/mekkaokereke/status/1347256343611154433

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 12:46PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'm going to assume that said reporter will be Donie O'Sullivan.

His appearance on the LLS might have more to do with the fact that he's from Cahirsiveen rather than his specific employer...

yeah imagine the Late Late interviewing an irish man that was in the middle of the biggest story of week.

duploelabs · 08-01-2021 12:47PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I think reporting someone's death when they haven't died at a time of such tension is a pretty serious error. It's almost as if they jumped to get the news out for ratings.

It helps the Trump supporters in their case of fake news.

It happens with multiple news sources many times, here's a recent example

https://www.kwqc.com/2021/01/05/reports-actor-tanya-roberts-dies-at-65-after-mistaken-announcement-of-death/

Samsonsmasher · 08-01-2021 12:50PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Impeaching could remove his capacity to lay down pardons for any more convicted traitors, point blank child murdering war criminals, or family members. It could also prevent him from running or fundraising to run again.

It would merely pour petrol on the fire.

Pence is hated by the protestors who stormed the Capitol. He would take office and then hand the torch to Joe Biden?

It is obvious that like 9/11 the storning of the Capitol will be used to grab more power by the US government.

Social media censorship and repression and persecution of conservatives is a certainty.

Biden plans to pack the Supreme Court with political appointees who will approve his legislation.

On the streets BLM will continue to burn loot and murder while politicians cops celebrities sports stars and corporations take the knee.

Professor Moriarty · 08-01-2021 12:50PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

There were two distinct calibres there, and a middle ground of Q Anon crackpots.

The Walking Dead, wandering around with flags and no masks, just delighted for a day out to own the libs -

https://twitter.com/1BrayWoods/status/1346929792784887808

And a visibly more purposeful paramilitary element that had distinct objectives, clear preparation for hostage taking, and far more organisation -

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347279463088844800

The first benefitted from the extraordinarily ineffective or even collaborative Capitol Police, one of whom was seen giving directions to Chuck Schumer's office.

But there are several reports the latter attackers had particular offices in mind and knew exactly where to find them; they very much had an organised and communicated plan.

Given the tweets you quote, it was a clusterfcuk of a plan! They didn't even know they would be on camera!

jamule · 08-01-2021 12:52PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I would say there is 300 people there.

jaysus lads can you stop feeding this clown. His counting is Trumpesque

everlast75 · 08-01-2021 12:53PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Given the tweets you quote, it was a clusterfcuk of a plan! They didn't even know they would be on camera!

No, they are ****ing stupid. That's why they smiled for the camera and recorded their illegal activities on social media.

They are thick as two short planks and so it trump. That's why they can't see that he is.

PS

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1347510396010246144?s=19

Maxpfizer · 08-01-2021 12:57PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

The current real death toll is thought to be at least 400,000 thousand due to deliberate undercounting in places like Florida last year. We'll never actually know how many are dead because Trump's lackeys obscured the data.

Yes, I believe the overwhelming number of those people would still be alive under competent national leadership because both infection and mortality becomes exponential after a tipping point. One infected person makes multiple infected people, once ICUs hit capacity most critical cases over that ceiling will die by default, and the lack of ongoing financial support means that a lot of the people least likely to survive infection are the people most likely to work "essential" jobs.

The US should have had every advantage in the world with the world leading CDC and the pandemic response unit they inherited from Obama and Trump defunded.

Ah, how convenient that they have been "undercounting".

To be clear here. The USA has a "deaths per 1M" number in line with the UK, France, Italy and Spain.

Being the 3rd most populated country in the world, with number of very large cities, I think it's not a surprise to see them at the top of lists of total cases and deaths.

It is total fantasy to think that the majority of America's COVID deaths would have been avoided under a different president.

The same folk who are anti-mask, anti-vax, anti-lockdown, conspiracy fools would have been the same regardless of who was in charge.

I thought it was the people in charge of the individual states and counties etc were in charge of lockdowns and whatnot anyway? Seems that way since there is a lot of variance across the entire nation regarding how things are being handled.

What a wild suggestion though. If Trump wasn't around America would just be like "just a handful of deaths from COVID over here lads".

Need a Username · 08-01-2021 12:58PM

Overheal wrote: »

IDC if he was doing it for any stupid reason. The fact is through his own actions and influences and in. His. Name. It happened. I don’t care if he thinks he did it for the orphans, he still brought the country to the brink of an existential crisis; if they had managed to break through to kidnap a member of congress or the Vice President - ? They’d have shot some of them on sight and beaten others to death that pique their ire. They would have hung Sanders off a balcony for ****s sake. They would have started holding a kangaroo court in the chamber to see which ones were loyal and which weren’t. I don’t care if Trump did it for innocent thrills and even if he did that makes it even worse!

Why are you getting huffy at me?

Calm down, lad.

VinLieger · 08-01-2021 01:00PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Given the tweets you quote, it was a clusterfcuk of a plan! They didn't even know they would be on camera!

Remember what the moron who got maced didn't understand why there was consequences for in her words "its a revolution"....?

They honestly thought this was their revolution and they would come away with zero consequences.

Quin_Dub · 08-01-2021 01:00PM

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I actually think he needs to be impeached now with immediately effect to disarm him from doing anything out of spite before he goes. With only a couple weeks left there's little reason for him to be wielding any power now anyway.

He definitely needs to be held to account without question, it's also very politically astute from the Democrats.

They could get the articles of impeachment over to the Senate in a day or two at most from the House.

They then force the GOP Senators to pin their colours to the mast.

Will McConnell bring it to the floor for a vote?
If there's a vote how many Senators will vote against his impeachment?
If he was actually impeached , would Pence then give him a pardon for all his other stuff (allowing for the fact that he can't be pardoned for the specific impeachment charges)?
Would Pence give out pardons to the rest of the family etc.?

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 01:00PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

It would merely pour petrol on the fire.

Pence is hated by the protestors who stormed the Capitol. He would take office and then hand the torch to Joe Biden?

It is obvious that like 9/11 the storning of the Capitol will be used to grab more power by the US government.

Social media censorship and repression and persecution of conservatives is a certainty.

Biden plans to pack the Supreme Court with political appointees who will approve his legislation.

On the streets BLM will continue to burn loot and murder while politicians cops celebrities sports stars and corporations take the knee.

the torch will be passed to Joe Biden on the 20th no matter what. They need to get trump out now so he cant issue his blanket pardons.

robinph · 08-01-2021 01:01PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

It would merely pour petrol on the fire.

Pence is hated by the protestors who stormed the Capitol. He would take office and then hand the torch to Joe Biden?

It is obvious that like 9/11 the storning of the Capitol will be used to grab more power by the US government.

Social media censorship and repression and persecution of conservatives is a certainty.

Biden plans to pack the Supreme Court with political appointees who will approve his legislation.

On the streets BLM will continue to burn loot and murder while politicians cops celebrities sports stars and corporations take the knee.

What parts of the above was it that Trump hasn't been doing for the last 4 years?

VinLieger · 08-01-2021 01:05PM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Ah, how convenient that they have been "undercounting".

To be clear here. The USA has a "deaths per 1M" number in line with the UK, France, Italy and Spain.

Being the 3rd most populated country in the world, with number of very large cities, I think it's not a surprise to see them at the top of lists of total cases and deaths.

It is total fantasy to think that the majority of America's COVID deaths would have been avoided under a different president.

The same folk who are anti-mask, anti-vax, anti-lockdown, conspiracy fools would have been the same regardless of who was in charge.

I thought it was the people in charge of the individual states and counties etc were in charge of lockdowns and whatnot anyway? Seems that way since there is a lot of variance across the entire nation regarding how things are being handled.

What a wild suggestion though. If Trump wasn't around America would just be like "just a handful of deaths from COVID over here lads".

You see the problem with that reasoning is South Korea exists, which is far more densely populated than the US or any European country with similar rates as the US, the US has 1127 deaths per million, South Korea has 21.

We all could have done a hell of a lot better. Pretending thats not true is literally denying reality and the existence of South Korea.

Professor Moriarty · 08-01-2021 01:06PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Remember what the moron who got maced didn't understand why there was consequences for in her words "its a revolution"....?

They honestly thought this was their revolution and they would come away with zero consequences.

I've said it before, I would think there would be a very high prevalence of mental health problems in the Capitol Hill mob.

ohnonotgmail · 08-01-2021 01:07PM

VinLieger wrote: »

You see the problem with that reasoning is South Korea exists, which is far more densely populated than the US or any European country with similar rates as the US, the US has 1127 deaths per million, South Korea has 21.

We all could have done a hell of a lot better. Pretending thats not true is literally denying reality and the existence of South Korea.

I have a niece living there. they are taking it VERY seriously and the statistics back that up.

Maxpfizer · 08-01-2021 01:11PM

VinLieger wrote: »

You see the problem with that reasoning is South Korea exists, which is far more densely populated than the US or any European country with similar rates as the US, the US has 1127 deaths per million, South Korea has 21.

We all could have done a hell of a lot better. Pretending thats not true is literally denying reality and the existence of South Korea.

I agree that we all could have done better.

It's just wild to me that someone is actually pushing the idea that almost all of America's COVID deaths are directly the fault of Trump.

Off topic really but I just thought considering the the conversation that this take was also pretty out there.

Maybe just worth noting that the most rabid and passionate anti-Trumpers are themselves often guilty of Trump-esque exaggeration and hyperbole.

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