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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1952
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Russman wrote: »
    We are the EU. When the time comes, when this is all over, and the EU is finding a way to ringfence or make COVID borrowings disappear from national balance sheets, how do you think they'd view us if we went outside the bloc on a solo run with vaccines ? And us after running up X amount of billions with the ECB.

    We can't afford to get into a bidding war with anyone, all that would do is drive up the price to a level we can't afford anyway and alienate our EU peers.

    We are net contributors to the EU covid fund.

    Plus all borrowings have to be fully paid back.


  • #1953
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Aodhan O'Riordan was in favour of the schools opening for LC and then changed his position once the government did the u turn.


  • #1954
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Parents of special needs children are outraged about this decision and rightly so.


  • #1955
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I disagree. I don't see the 'teacher's lot' as being pushed here at all, and in my opinion anyone who claims so is taking the lazy road and engaging in the usual begrudgery. Most reasonable people can see the full spectrum of issues, which is nothing to do with teachers.

    A lot of people reject the Governments manipulation of the data in the schools. They have an agenda, to be blunt. The Alerting Parents of Outbreaks in Schools fb page has over 130k members because they knew the gov't spin and withholding of information is not good enough. It's easy to see how the changed definition of a close contact in the schools, the tendency of children to be asymptomatic (with the earlier strain anyway), and the classifying many cases as community/home sourced instead of in the schools allowed gov't to march on schools fully open without having to do the hard work to implement a hybrid remote learning system. To give parents and families choice who needed it, those at higher risk and those who just didn't feel comfortable with the risk at all in a global pandemic. To leave remote learning now on the shoulders of every individual school without the proper planning, funding and support from government means it is not equitable for children. The plans will vary massively from school to school. Some won't have internet or equipment. And what about special needs children. FFS.
    It's not begrudgery, some of them seem to imagine they are more hard done by than anyone else who's out there working. It's tough for everyone and many do not complain about it.

    Seriously though, a FB page as authoritative evidence of anything? You need better sources!


  • #1956
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Aodhan O'Riordan was in favour of the schools opening for LC and then changed his position once the government did the u turn.

    Looked up his Twitter

    Guy seems to be a clown


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  • #1957
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Looked up his Twitter

    Guy seems to be a clown

    Completely useless.

    Switches positions depends on what way the wind is blowing, no credibility.


  • #1958
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    chooey wrote: »
    I'm a close contact of someone that tested positive. Once you get that text off the HSE you just have to contact your gp and they'll send a certificate of incapacity to work to the welfare office for you and you have to fill out a form online. It was easy enough and I got my first weeks payment this week. Thankfully I've had no symptoms but I paid for a private test myself as I'm pregnant and it was negative.

    Glad you are negative and feeling ok .Do you mind me asking how long you waited for the payment ?


  • #1959
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gardai Urging motorists to break the Law:P

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0108/1188449-checkpoints/


    https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Campaigns/Mobile%20Phone/RSA_Mobile_DL.pdf


  • #1960
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Plus all borrowings have to be fully paid back.

    The new borrowings are afaik Euro printing for us courtesy of the ECB.
    I wonder if we were out on our own trying to finance this disaster by printing our Punts/borrowing, would our wings have been clipped somehow by this point (inflation crisis in our own currency relative to whatever people who are providing the likes of vaccines, medical equipment and ppe are using + inability to borrow any more money to pay PUP/EWSS/CRSS)? Genuinely wonder (as I don't know) - maybe you can tell me?


  • #1961
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's not begrudgery, some of them seem to imagine they are more hard done by than anyone else who's out there working. It's tough for everyone and many do not complain about it.

    Seriously though, a FB page as authoritative evidence of anything? You need better sources!

    I rest my case.

    I'm quite comfortable with my verified sources, thanks.


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  • #1962
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I rest my case.

    I'm quite comfortable with my verified sources, thanks.
    Highlighting the part of another post that reinforces your own particular bias is not much of a case but have fun on FB!


  • #1963
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Gardai Urging motorists to break the Law:P

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0108/1188449-checkpoints/


    https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Campaigns/Mobile%20Phone/RSA_Mobile_DL.pdf

    I read that and its ridiculous. Just keep back 2+ meters and they will be ok. Not that difficult.


  • #1964
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I rest my case.

    I'm quite comfortable with my verified sources, thanks.

    Facebook is not a verified source.


  • #1965
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Highlighting the part of another post that reinforces your own particular bias is not much of a case but have fun on FB!

    Whatever you need to tell yourself mate.

    PS: WHO, ECDC, NASA, Pentagon, etc - all on FB and with their data too! :rolleyes:


  • #1966
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    glasso wrote: »
    yes, of course.

    I was correcting the other poster who claimed they paid much higher.

    Israel are not in an economic union, so were on their own.

    Ireland ended up in the EU deal, like all the other EU states.

    Which in principle is fine.

    My only big issue with it is that the French wanted their who-knows-if-it-works, clearly way-behind-schedule Sanofi vaccine cut in on the buying deal and the option to take up more of the clearly at-that-point efficacious Pfizer vaccine refused because the French are awkward cnuts.

    Ireland intently signed up to the EU deal. The EU were not going to chuck us out for not signing up to the deal. And we were right to sign up for the deal.

    However

    We should have cut our own deal with Pfizer and moderna on the sly at the same time. It's what proper leadership does. We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

    It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.


  • #1967
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.
    Yes, this is indeed what big dickhead leadership does.

    Then when big companies choose other countries for their new sites and Irish sites are first on the chopping block when it's cutback time, the unemployed can be proud that when it was time for action, our leaders acted like cartoon mafia bosses.


  • #1968
    [Deleted User]
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Ireland intently signed up to the EU deal. The EU were not going to chuck us out for not signing up to the deal. And we were right to sign up for the deal.

    However

    We should have cut our own deal with Pfizer and moderna on the sly at the same time. It's what proper leadership does. We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

    It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.

    And J&J and Sanofi/GSK and Astra Zeneca? Because when the deals were made no one knew who was going to be first.And if some EU countries start doing side deals, all start doing side deals and it becomes about who can pay the most - where do you think we would end up then?

    And how do you think all these manufacturers who directly or indirectly 10's of thousands of people and are worth billions to the country would respond when threatened with "accidents" at their manufacturing plants.

    This is about the most nonsensical that has been posted on this site, and that says something


  • #1969
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    1151 in hospital at the moment. The morning update of icu numbers hasnt happened yet.

    That's the biggest single day hospital jump so far. God help us if that level of growth continues for long.


  • #1970
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    At what point will the hospitals not be able to cope? Are we still way off that?


  • #1971
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Not peer reviewed yet, but studies have found the Pfizer vaccine is effective against the UK and SA variant. EU has entered an agreement with Pfizer to purchase 300 million more doses. Apologies if repeating something already posted.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203083.html


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  • #1972
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Ireland intently signed up to the EU deal. The EU were not going to chuck us out for not signing up to the deal. And we were right to sign up for the deal.

    However

    We should have cut our own deal with Pfizer and moderna on the sly at the same time. It's what proper leadership does. We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

    It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.

    Like replacing the active ingredient in Viagra with strawberry jam?


  • #1973
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not peer reviewed yet, but studies have found the Pfizer vaccine is effective against the UK and SA variant. EU has entered an agreement with Pfizer to purchase 300 million more doses.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40203083.html




    Moderna too :)

    In this article:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-idUKL1N2JI0JV?edition-redirect=uk

    "Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa."


  • #1974
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Moderna too :)

    In this article:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-idUKL1N2JI0JV?edition-redirect=uk

    Some light in the darkness.


  • #1975
    Ashbourne hoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Ireland intently signed up to the EU deal. The EU were not going to chuck us out for not signing up to the deal. And we were right to sign up for the deal.

    However

    We should have cut our own deal with Pfizer and moderna on the sly at the same time. It's what proper leadership does. We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

    It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.

    Fair play, that's probably the worst covid post on this forum. Think you've been watching too much Sopranos during lockdown. "Give us more vaccines or we'll send Paulie and Big Pussy around, oh and check your fire insurance....".


  • #1976
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    We should have cut our own deal with Pfizer and moderna on the sly at the same time. It's what proper leadership does. We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

    It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like. Micheal Martin is a naive globalist weakling, playing with the big boys.

    You think such a thing could be kept secret?

    Or that threatening to disrupt/sabotage operations of Multinationals here if they don't do what we want is a sensible & a sound plan (while a far more minor thing like changing Corporation tax system would, it is regularly argued, drive them all away!)

    Nah that is more Donald Trump style leadership + utterly brain dead nationalism. Ireland is not the US or China, not a UK, France, or a Germany. Maybe not even an Israel come to think of it (!)...

    I don't think Ireland would have come out well at all in the wonderful vaccine nationalism pure "My Country First" world you argue for.

    I read some article about the fact that the EU did not order more of vaccine(s) that looked like winning the race in the late Autumn/Early Winter and funnily enough it was suggesting more brain dead nationalism (from France) might have been involved though it said EU Commission denied that.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-planning-disaster-germany-and-europe-could-fall-short-on-vaccine-supplies-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd


  • #1977
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    Head of the Vaccine Task Force talking to Claire Byrne just now. Waffling and depressing interview. We simply don't have the vaccines and even if we had there is no proper roll out prepared. Paper records have to be taken, IT not up to any kind of standard. Going on about how they are training people now to give the vaccine. Now! He incorrectly said Israel had stopped its vaccination programme for fear of running out of having enough for second shot but they have not stopped and by Sunday they are getting many more vaccines and anticipate having everyone over 16 vaccinated by the end of March. Our aim is to have 5% of the population vaccinated by the end of March. Heaven help us all.


  • #1978
    chooey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭chooey


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Glad you are negative and feeling ok .Do you mind me asking how long you waited for the payment ?

    It came through really quickly. I was only told I was a close contact last Wednesday and had to leave work straight away. I filled out the welfare forms myself over the weekend and I wasn't able to get through to my gp until Monday of this week but they were really efficient and sent the form through to welfare that morning and I had payment in my account Wednesday of this week.


  • #1979
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Latest GP referral data is out:

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-08_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Basically flat compared to yesterday, so not out of the woods yet by any means.


  • #1980
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,870 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    1151 in hospital at the moment. The morning update of icu numbers hasnt happened yet.

    That's the biggest single day hospital jump so far.

    Not to worry, still
    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Small enough numbers really


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  • #1981
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Latest GP referral data is out:

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-08_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Basically flat compared to yesterday, so not out of the woods yet by any means.

    flat is a good thing

    flat might mean a slowing of the growth rate

    i.e. a zenith/peak etc. and it's downhill from here

    I hope anyway... but we have to start seeing the effects of these restrictions at some stage


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