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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1562
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    glasso wrote: »
    hopefully can be used in Ireland

    reduces mortality and time in ICU
    Think we starting using dexamethasone fairly quickly after that was shown to be effective.


  • #1563
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    landofthetree wrote: »
    I will take the vaccine as soon as I can get it. In the 18-54 healthy group so Im actually thinking I wont get it early enough to travel abroad before next August.

    When would it be fair to put these restrictions in place? It just isnt going to work till everyone has access.

    yes it's increasingly looking like 2021 will be a write-off unfortunately in terms of "normal life" like 2020 unless (1.) more Vaccine can be procured by the EU sooner and (2.) rolled out with more urgency and efficiency in Ireland

    (1. more importantly)

    also have to hope that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't "vaccine escape" in the meantime


  • #1564
    Dave0301
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I was working in one of the hospitals yesterday(not a health worker) and I'm been honest it was very quiet.

    A and E was empty and lot of staff standing around casually talking.

    Now I'm not saying it's like that in all hospitals but RTE and the media are painting a picture of chaos and people running around in a panic in the hospitals.

    Just a bit of balance is fair when reporting.

    Did they not let you into the highly infectious Covid-19 wards so you could count the number of patients?

    I for one am shocked.


  • #1565
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,697 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I was working in one of the hospitals yesterday(not a health worker) and I'm been honest it was very quiet.

    A and E was empty and lot of staff standing around casually talking.

    Now I'm not saying it's like that in all hospitals but RTE and the media are painting a picture of chaos and people running around in a panic in the hospitals.

    Just a bit of balance is fair when reporting.

    Hospitals have designated floors for Covid patients to reduce the spread. I was in Beaumont last March and April during 1st wave and there were signposts indicating what floors to avoid.


  • #1566
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Not aware of any reports saying A and E overwhelmed here or that "people are running around in panic"

    In the interest of accuracy do you have a link? Otherwise looks like another straw man argument.

    Are you denting the reports are saying hospitals are under extreme pressure at the moment.

    Im not here for an argument.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/concern-over-covid-infection-rates-as-hospital-cases-rise-to-673-1058658.html


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  • #1567
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I was working in one of the hospitals yesterday(not a health worker) and I'm been honest it was very quiet.

    A and E was empty and lot of staff standing around casually talking.

    Now I'm not saying it's like that in all hospitals but RTE and the media are painting a picture of chaos and people running around in a panic in the hospitals.

    Just a bit of balance is fair when reporting.

    rte lying well i never :eek:


  • #1568
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Officially no but a quick call to the GP and say they've symptoms will get them a test

    I wouldn't bet on that.

    I'm aware of one outbreak near where I live where even symptomatic close contacts are being told to just assume they have it and self isolate.

    I can see this prolonging the outbreak as untested but infected asymptomatic close contacts will continue to transmit the virus in the community, and in turn their infected but asymptomatic close contacts, etc...


  • #1569
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why is it strange? It's slightly worrying, the cost of a mRNA vaccine to be given every 6-12 months would be astronomical.

    Maybe, read a bit more;)

    Stephen posted Hancock’s full quote, Hancock has basically no idea he’s guessing , but of course feel free to post the worry emoji again .
    Your original worried comment had nothing to do with cost, although what do you think is cheaper continuously lockdown or vaccination?


  • #1570
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Think we starting using dexamethasone fairly quickly after that was shown to be effective.

    that was a no-brainer as it 'cos less than a pint down the country.

    this stuff is a lot more expensive but should pass the cost-benefit analysis test still


  • #1571
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why is it strange? It's slightly worrying, the cost of a mRNA vaccine to be given every 6-12 months would be astronomical.

    Maybe, read a bit more;)

    Do you remember when everyone said that Matt Hancock prick was talking through his hole about the new variant?

    That was like a neighbour you dislike telling you your house is on fire and then going "he's an ass I bet there isn't a fire, I'm going back to bed."

    bed in that metaphor was Christmas.


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  • #1572
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Over 700 Gardai out with Covid19 in ROI

    Thank god Coppers was closed.


  • #1573
    risteard7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I actually couldn't believe it as I was expecting madness and carnage after listening to the news.

    Pleasantly surprised they seemed to have it under control and didn't look in anyway worried.

    In my 8 years working for the HSE this is the first with no trolley Crisis at winter


  • #1574
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,133 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    billyhead wrote: »
    Hospitals have designated floors for Covid patients to reduce the spread. I was in Beaumont last March and April during 1st wave and there were signposts indicating what floors to avoid.

    Of course.

    But were told patients with other illnesses now may not be treated as they are overwhelmed, I just didn't see it yesterday.

    Anyway that could change very quick.


  • #1575
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why is it strange? It's slightly worrying, the cost of a mRNA vaccine to be given every 6-12 months would be astronomical.

    Maybe, read a bit more. Pharmacoeconomics is important;)

    Is there any projection on the vaccines effect on QALY?

    Surely it’s going to pay for itself many times over


  • #1576
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    KerryConnor wrote: »
    Those numbers are really high.. but were they taken on one day in question or over the course of the whole winter?

    The report is for 2019 flu season I’m not sure how long goes for.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #1577
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    risteard7 wrote: »
    In my 8 years working for the HSE this is the first with no trolley Crisis at winter

    A &E staff deserve a bit of a break. Should have a month long lockdown every winter


  • #1578
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    risteard7 wrote: »
    In my 8 years working for the HSE this is the first with no trolley Crisis at winter

    Do you feel that the steps taken to ensure this is acceptable?

    Thousands of cancelled procedures.


  • #1579
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    harr wrote: »
    This is what I don’t understand, why are all front like staff not getting the vaccine first ?
    Surely we need the emergency services and with out them country can’t function. No guards no ambulance crews leaves a dangerous situation.

    Tbf it's pretty much people working in hospitals getting them ATM which were probably more screwed without


  • #1580
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭redarmy


    BREAKING: Management at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital Drogheda, are asking the public to only attend the ED if it is absolutely necessary. A spokesperson says the Hospital and its Emergency Department is currently experiencing very high volumes of people attending.


  • #1581
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,230 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Why is it taking so long to roll out the vaccine in Ireland?

    1st 9 days - 15,000 vaccinated

    Next 3 days (by the end of this week) - they claim a further 20,000 will be vaccinated!!

    5% of population vaccinated by end of Q1..... so unless we really honour game (and get a significant increase in the amount of vaccine we get) , we are looking at being around 20% at years end.... so 5 years for the entire population.......


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  • #1582
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    risteard7 wrote: »
    In my 8 years working for the HSE this is the first with no trolley Crisis at winter

    https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13566

    Interesting reading in that


  • #1583
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    xabi wrote: »
    Down

    Cork seem to have gotten away despite the fact the inter county team were training this week. People had videos and pictures of them on twitter. Might be even worse considering Michael Martin's son is part of the panel so likely was there or if not knew about it.


  • #1584
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    landofthetree wrote: »
    I will take the vaccine as soon as I can get it. In the 18-54 healthy group so Im actually thinking I wont get it early enough to travel abroad before next August.

    When would it be fair to put these restrictions in place? It just isnt going to work till everyone has access.
    What's stopping you travelling abroad before August,with or without vaccine.


  • #1585
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I actually couldn't believe it as I was expecting madness and carnage after listening to the news.

    Pleasantly surprised they seemed to have it under control and didn't look in anyway worried.

    Better tell this guy he's getting worked up about nothing then

    Hospitals may face shortages of ICU beds for non-Covid patients, warns Dr Colman O’Loughlin, intensive care consultant at the Mater hospital in Dublin and president of the Intensive Care Society of Ireland

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospitals-may-face-shortages-of-icu-beds-for-non-covid-patients-warns-doctor-1.4451833


  • #1586
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Of course.

    But were told patients with other illnesses now may bit be treated as they are overwhelmed, I just didn't see it yesterday.

    Anyway that could change very quick.


    A&E tends to be filled with people who have had accidents or emergencies.

    Considering the majority of the country isnt leaving their house it pretty much reduces accidents and emergencies.

    No sporting injuries because sports are cancelled.

    Greatly reduced car accidents, workplace accidents, slips trips and falls because people are not moving like before.


    Isnt that fairly obvious???


  • #1587
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Why is it taking so long to roll out the vaccine in Ireland?

    1st 9 days - 15,000 vaccinated

    Next 3 days (by the end of this week) - they claim a further 20,000 will be vaccinated!!

    5% of population vaccinated by end of Q1..... so unless we really honour game (and get a significant increase in the amount of vaccine we get) , we are looking at being around 20% at years end.... so 5 years for the entire population.......

    1. Availability of vaccines.
    2. Training and logistics.

    Vaccines thread is excellent.


  • #1588
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Are you denting the reports are saying hospitals are under extreme pressure at the moment.

    Im not here for an argument.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/concern-over-covid-infection-rates-as-hospital-cases-rise-to-673-1058658.html

    Nor am I. I'm not doubting your experience either. Your anecdote reference an A and E department. This is one department in a hospital.
    I'm not a nurse but I know they have covid 'pathways'. Nobody should be rocking up to A and E with covid and milling around as it's a massive infection risk. For sure some probably do but it's unlikely and a very small minority.

    The problem as outlined in the article is that there were over 100 hundred nurses out either with covid or due to being a close contact. That severely depletes the rosters and puts strain on those still working etc. coupled with the high numbers of patients on other wards.
    “Covid is creating more patients while also depleting staffing. It’s a vicious combination. Staff are far more experienced than they were at the start of this pandemic, but the sheer numbers are difficult to cope with.”

    Do you see how a quite A and E may not mean that the hospital is not under pressure?


  • #1589
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Worth a look to see comparisons between flu and covid on ICU beds in London. Be interesting to see a comparison with here:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1347200855376875523

    Crazy I never knew the flu was so bad on the hospitals until I looked at that report. Obviously this is a lot worse and more intense than a bad season of it.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #1590
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    risteard7 wrote: »
    In my 8 years working for the HSE this is the first with no trolley Crisis at winter

    I think after speaking with a number of healtcare workers they are not freaking out about this. They are run off their feet every winter so this will be no different. I think the crisis now will be difficult on the decision makers who will have to adapt quickly to a fast moving situation.

    The healthcare workers will take the best care possible of the patients they are assigned to.


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  • #1591
    risteard7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭risteard7


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Do you feel that the steps taken to ensure this is acceptable?

    Thousands of cancelled procedures.

    Absolutely not acceptable. But Covid is all that matters these day's. The amount of undiagnosed cancers in the next few years will be crazy due to people being afraid to go to hospital or not able to get an appointment


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