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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1412
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Arduach wrote: »
    There were over 28,300 swabs reported yesterday..figures don't make sense, or am I missing something?
    Those numbers are referrals.


  • #1413
    TheDriver
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    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Positive swabs? Where do you get swab info from?

    Referrals from Mon only got tested on Wed?


  • #1414
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    titan18 wrote: »
    Imagine being told you're getting a vaccine Friday and it's sitting there on Tuesday and you get covid on Wednesday.

    Well seeing as you wouldn't be protected one day after the vaccine you could easily get it any day you want and pick up covid the next day. Its not giving an immune response straight away.


  • #1415
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Referrals from Mon only got tested on Wed?

    Wednesday data is up to midnight Tuesday.


  • #1416
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Positive swabs? Where do you get swab info from?

    There's a HSE site but I usually wait here. Anytime from 2-4.30pm usually. The swabs tell all 5% error either way with cases and you can calculate the backlog. (Around 8k presently)


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  • #1417
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Those numbers are referrals.

    Still allowing for a backlog in referrals there's a big discrepancy between swabs and referrals.


  • #1418
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I never miss a point. It must be you that's wrong.

    Check again :)

    You understand its Covid ICU numbers , I know .
    In this case the number is not as relevant as the context of the post.
    The person I was talking to thinks that numbers in Jan 2020 in ICU is the same as the Covid numbers in ICU ,and doesn't realise these numbers do not include the many general patients in ICU .
    That op was discussing how people panicking over 88 in ICU now , when 94 in January !
    Obviously thinks that that is the total number of patients in ICU.
    Do you get me now ?:)


  • #1419
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They should have outsourced the vaccination rollout to a private company

    This is a sh!tshow. They couldn't run a bath

    There's at least 1 private company heavily involved, don't worry.


  • #1420
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well seeing as you wouldn't be protected one day after the vaccine you could easily get it any day you want and pick up covid the next day. Its not giving an immune response straight away.

    Not sure is it the pfizer one or not, but some of them do lessen the symptoms you get I think which is still handy.


  • #1421
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Amirani wrote: »
    There's at least 1 private company heavily involved, don't worry.

    I'd love to know who they are . And why they were chosen .


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  • #1422
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Arduach wrote: »
    Still allowing for a backlog in referrals there's a big discrepancy between swabs and referrals.
    If you say so, I just gave Henry's referral numbers.


  • #1423
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Arduach wrote: »
    Still allowing for a backlog in referrals there's a big discrepancy between swabs and referrals.

    Not really. 25000 referrals on Monday: 28000 swabs processed on Tuesday. The referrals doesn't include hospital testing, so it matches up pretty well I'd say. When a referral happens, the test could be that day or the following day and the swab then needs to be processed in a lab. So, you will never match up referral and swab result data on a day by day basis. Nothing odd about the data anyway.


  • #1424
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    titan18 wrote: »
    Not sure is it the pfizer one or not, but some of them do lessen the symptoms you get I think which is still handy.

    Yes but it takes time for the immune response to be effective in order to limit the impact of infection.

    Not until about a week after the second dose could you really get the effiency needed


  • #1425
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Sounds like it alright, Colm Henry said there should be an update on R number in briefing this evening if I heard him right. Usual one with Nolan I'd say.

    Yes that is the one I want to see .


  • #1426
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    You understand its Covid ICU numbers , I know .
    In this case the number is not as relevant as the context of the post.
    The person I was talking to thinks that numbers in Jan 2020 in ICU is the same as the Covid numbers in ICU ,and doesn't realise these numbers do not include the many general patients in ICU .
    That op was discussing how people panicking over 88 in ICU now , when 94 in January !
    Obviously thinks that that is the total number of patients in ICU.
    Do you get me now ?:)

    I always got you!

    I was just updating you on your figure of 88 to our current figure of 95

    You're preaching to the choir


  • #1427
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    That's a serious decline in referrals. 14k @ 25% positivity would be 3,500 cases. Seriously good news if so.

    But is there any other reason, that wouldn't be as good news for this drop in referrals? System under pressure?


  • #1428
    [Deleted User]
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I'd love to know who they are . And why they were chosen .

    Cork firm IPP in Little Island are involved in the Pfizer vaccine rollout across Europe, so Im assuming that this includes Ireland.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40195350.html


  • #1429
    TheDriver
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Wednesday data is up to midnight Tuesday.

    So that would make sense, Mon referrals are Tuesday's swabs?


  • #1430
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    titan18 wrote: »
    Not sure is it the pfizer one or not, but some of them do lessen the symptoms you get I think which is still handy.

    They all lessen symptoms. But what we don’t quite know is if they prevent you from infecting another person with the virus.


  • #1431
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Arduach wrote: »
    That's a serious decline in referrals. 14k @ 25% positivity would be 3,500 cases. Seriously good news if so.

    But is there any other reason, that wouldn't be as good news for this drop in referrals? System under pressure?

    Maybe people aren't bothering going to get tested?


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  • #1432
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes that is the one I want to see .

    I actually think this week's R number calculation is irrelevant. It's going to be a big number, we know that from the massive increase in cases. It doesn't tell us anything about what R is right now or what it will be next week. And that's what really matters.


  • #1433
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I always got you!

    I was just updating you on your figure of 88 to our current figure of 95

    You're preaching to the choir

    No...teaching my granny to suck eggs ;)
    Not religious .


  • #1434
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I actually think this week's R number calculation is irrelevant. It's going to be a big number, we know that from the massive increase in cases. It doesn't tell us anything about what R is right now or what it will be next week. And that's what really matters.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347193143767293953?s=20


  • #1435
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Arduach wrote: »
    That's a serious decline in referrals. 14k @ 25% positivity would be 3,500 cases. Seriously good news if so.

    But is there any other reason, that wouldn't be as good news for this drop in referrals? System under pressure?

    No reason to think referrals and testing aren't working as normal. Anyone on here who has mentioned they are getting tested seems to have gotten their test within a day or so and, if anything, GPs are referring people for a test for the slightest of symptoms (quite rightly). But it's really only 1 day, so while it is positive it's too early to say we've peaked.


  • #1436
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,181 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347193143767293953?s=20

    Ah feck


  • #1437
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    seamus wrote: »
    Consider the volume of posts since the vaccine was approved by the EMA which were talking about vaccine safety, calling it rushed, experimental, etc.

    And consider that every tenth post is some variation on "The HSE are incredibly incompetent and are making/going to make a balls of rolling out this vaccine".

    Now imagine that not only did the HSE go on a solo run and approve the vaccine before the EMA did, but that they told us that they would roll it out so fast that they would achieve herd immunity by Easter.

    Do you think people would be applauding this as a triumph of foresight and negotiation on the part of the HSE? Or as a rushed hatchet job putting the nation's health at risk in the pursuit of glory?

    More importantly, would YOU be lining up to receive one of these doses in the latter scenario?

    You can argue that there is a middle ground - a slightly faster rollout by negotiating ourselves. But as a smaller nation we were always going to be back of the queue. The EU purchase scheme is the most beneficial for us.

    Yeah fair point. It could be quicker I guess. It's going to take a while to reach a meaningful threshold at the current rate.

    I think I would, never refused a vaccine although I don't like needles or dead arms. Would be great if it meant life back to normal. In the financial markets you can buy options. Like pay 10 euro to buy something at a certain price. We should have recognised that the EU provisioning of thee pzifer one wasn't enough and bought options like Germany did.


  • #1438
    Goldengirl
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I actually think this week's R number calculation is irrelevant. It's going to be a big number, we know that from the massive increase in cases. It doesn't tell us anything about what R is right now or what it will be next week. And that's what really matters.

    R is 2 plus acc to Colm Henry .
    I want to see if they have more accurate predictions for next week or two.

    Talking about discussions regarding triaging ICU care now on HSE briefing .


  • #1439
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Fvck they are going through the hard decisions that may have to made regarding who gets care.


  • #1440
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    R is 2 plus acc to Colm Henry .
    I want to see if they have more accurate predictions for next week or two.

    I don't think they ever predict what it will be next week. They just give current estimate. They might comment on what impact Level 5 restrictions will have, but they really won't know. Anyway, R is a lagging indicator and I think it's more useful to look at swab data.


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  • #1441
    Juwwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    1043 in Hospital

    95 in ICU

    The numbers are rocketing up .


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