Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Spent about 4 hours watching CNN live and was wondering how the hell they were calling the crowd a mob, rioters as they were just standing around.
Yes some were shouting at cops, one woman crying in front of them for some unknown reason.
And whilst they were some guys and gals in military gear, a fair few looking like your classic rednecks, most of the crowd looked older, elderly even, middle class, just normal.
A lot of women in the mix.

There weren't the skin head types, the types normally wearing pillow cases, what one would have thought were your classic neo nazi types.
I had only seen still images of the guy in the speakers chair or some guy sitting in Pelosi's office.
I was wondering why Donie O'Sullivan kept calling them a mob.
And John king labelled them knuckleheads.

Then I saw the actual storming of the Capital building and that looked distinctly disturbing and menacing.
These people are 100% sure that Biden, the Democrats, the unseen government types actually stole the election.

They actually believe they are fighting for democracy.

The level of delusion is huge and it aint going away.

Trump has somehow managed to tap into the paranoid that has been in the US for decades.
And he has ramped it up no end.

And as Donie O'Sullivan pointed out in one clip Twitter and Facebook have a huge amount to answer for because they helped no end to pedal all these conspiracy theories.
Hell a lot of this crowd have given up on Fox News at this stage as it isn't going far enough for them now.

The US is in serious fooking trouble at this stage.

I think the Inauguration is going to have to be behind closed doors at this stage.

jill_valentine wrote: »

It is recognised as an American white supremacist identifier by Homeland Security.

I understand its origin but that's like pointing out the swastika comes from Buddhism.

The Celtic Cross means something real different here vs there too.

Oh I know, but it still pissed me off to see a bunch of psycho American Christians ruin something else.

I think it's important to remember they have no originality, so they steal from other cultures. They can tattoo Norse symbology on them, but they are not Viking and know nothing of their lore or laws.

jmayo wrote: »

I think the Inauguration is going to have to be behind closed doors at this stage.

Or behind a few ranks of armed marines.

jmayo wrote: »

Spent about 4 hours watching CNN live and was wondering how the hell they were calling the crowd a mob, rioters as they were just standing around.
Yes some were shouting at cops, one woman crying in front of them for some unknown reason.
And whilst they were some guys and gals in military gear, a fair few looking like your classic rednecks, most of the crowd looked older, elderly even, middle class, just normal.
A lot of women in the mix.

There weren't the skin head types, the types normally wearing pillow cases, what one would have thought were your classic neo nazi types.
I had only seen still images of the guy in the speakers chair or some guy sitting in Pelosi's office.
I was wondering why Donie O'Sullivan kept calling them a mob.
And John king labelled them knuckleheads.

Then I saw the actual storming of the Capital building and that looked distinctly disturbing and menacing.
These people are 100% sure that Biden, the Democrats, the unseen government types actually stole the election.

They actually believe they are fighting for democracy.

The level of delusion is huge and it aint going away.

Trump has somehow managed to tap into the paranoid that has been in the US for decades.
And he has ramped it up no end.

And as Donie O'Sullivan pointed out in one clip Twitter and Facebook have a huge amount to answer for because they helped no end to pedal all these conspiracy theories.
Hell a lot of this crowd have given up on Fox News at this stage as it isn't going far enough for them now.

The US is in serious fooking trouble at this stage.

I think the Inauguration is going to have to be behind closed doors at this stage.

All this really shows Trumps and his enablers culpability in all this. They really need to reform their media laws to enforce a bit of balance.

Deleted User wrote: »

Have the pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails allegations been confirmed?

Yes, by the Capitol police chief in a press conference yesterday.

Most of the people who enter the Capitol Building did so based on their misplaced passion for justice for falsehoods , fed to them by Trump & Co .
Few hardliners in their too,those front and center,
but most who followed in were just country folk, the type with no history of violence, or destruction of property.
All those Statues in the Hall were safe as houses, they were never going to be torn down, all the art of the wall was never going to be sprayed over, no one was going to set a fire. Getting access by breaking a door or window is extent of their damage.
Now can you imagine if this was a Leftist Mob that had gained access, and not a Trump Mob. So much damage would have been done. Every statue toppled , every piece of art sprayed over, fires ect.
Of course no storming of the Capitol Building can be condoned

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Most of the people who enter the Capitol Building did so based on their misplaced passion for justice for falsehoods , fed to them by Trump & Co .
Few hardliners in their too,those front and center,
but most who followed in were just country folk, the type with no history of violence, or destruction of property.
All those Statues in the Hall were safe as houses, they were never going to be torn down, all the art of the wall was never going to be sprayed over, no one was going to set a fire. Getting access by breaking a door or window is extent of their damage.
Now can you imagine if this was a Leftist Mob that had gained access, and not a Trump Mob. So much damage would have been done. Every statue toppled , every piece of art sprayed over, fires ect.
Of course no storming of the Capitol Building can be condoned

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow, and some idiots attempt to downplay yesterday's events...

Yes, one would look very stupid indeed to try to play this off, especially at length and with a bunch of humiliatingly poor analogies between a right wing coup attempt and property damage. It would be embarrassing to watch if it wasn't such a serious subject, if someone tried to do that, in this context, given the immediately obvious enormity and gravity of this.

jill_valentine wrote: »

Yes, one would look very stupid indeed to try to play this off, especially at length and with a bunch of humiliatingly poor analogies between a nazi coup attempt and property damage. It would be embarrassing to watch if it wasn't such a serious subject, if someone tried to do that.

Downplaying, whataboutery, lying or false equivalency seems to be the guts of the defence from the Trumpites today.

Also known as the usual bullsh1t.

The Pipe Bombs turned out to be Pipe Dreams .. of overturning the election .

WrenBoy wrote: »

Can I ask how if they had managed to take over those buildings last night how that would have lead to them taking control of the entire Government of the US ?
I mean the riot squad would just have to roll up storm the place and battered them out the door. If the rioters were armed bring in the heavy boys. I don't see how this was a serious coup attempt.

Does it matter if you determine it to be a serious coup or not?

They had guns. They had IEDs.

This was an utter disgrace, a day that will be regarded by all reasonable people as one of the darkest in American history, and Trump et al caused it.

They caused it all.

He thanked them for it.

He told him they were loved.

Case ****ing closed.

Impeach the MF again

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Most of the people who enter the Capitol Building did so based on their misplaced passion for justice for falsehoods , fed to them by Trump & Co .
Few hardliners in their too,those front and center,
but most who followed in were just country folk, the type with no history of violence, or destruction of property.
All those Statues in the Hall were safe as houses, they were never going to be torn down, all the art of the wall was never going to be sprayed over, no one was going to set a fire. Getting access by breaking a door or window is extent of their damage.
Now can you imagine if this was a Leftist Mob that had gained access, and not a Trump Mob. So much damage would have been done. Every statue toppled , every piece of art sprayed over, fires ect.
Of course no storming of the Capitol Building can be condoned

Are you serious with this?

You literally think the 'statues' or artefacts being protected in the Capitol or elsewhere is the most important thing?

embraer170 wrote: »

There is very little talk about the other three who died.

It is quite odd for three people to have died of medical emergencies. Something to do with non-lethal weapons used or something else?

Rumours of flash bang and a taser being involved in two. I know someone was seriously injured attempting to climb the scaffolding. No idea if they lived.

WrenBoy wrote: »

Can I ask how if they had managed to take over those buildings last night how that would have lead to them taking control of the entire Government of the US ?
I mean the riot squad would just have to roll up storm the place and battered them out the door. If the rioters were armed bring in the heavy boys. I don't see how this was a serious coup attempt, just a bunch of armed dopes being morons imo

What do you think they were trying to do? Why do you think some of them brought cable ties? Whst were the explosives for? Gas masks? Pepper spray? They may not have had a hope in hell of succeeding but their intent was clear. And why didn't Trump authorise the National Guard? Why do you think he gave the speech he did yesterday morning? Why was security so lax?

embraer170 wrote: »

There is very little talk about the other three who died.

It is quite odd for three people to have died of medical emergencies. Something to do with non-lethal weapons used or something else?

Or simply expired by climbing more stairs than they're used to.

Trump core support seems to reside in older demographics.