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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1352
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The HSE's weekly briefing on Covid-19 is due to start shortly
    I think they are supposed to give us a number for vaccinations so far at this.


  • #1353
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I think we'll breach 1,500 in about 4 days time. Maybe less.

    5 days ago we had 60 admissions.
    Today we've had 109.

    I think Varadkar's worst case scenario sounds quite plausible

    We seem to be hitting about 100 a day so ya, could be there after the weekend.


  • #1354
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes. Family member has cancer check by virtual appointment now .

    Normal service is not happening here either.

    I am listening to adverts on the radio saying that non covid services are operating and to be sure to attend appointments... and I have had three scheduled hospital appointments cancelled since covid started.

    All have been rescheduled several times with the earliest two currently scheduled for April and June, both will be a year late by that time. The appointments are for long term conditions that require regular monitoring and I have been advised to attend A&E if conditions require. The intention of the appointments was to avoid the possibility for things to get worse and to manage conditions in a non emergency capacity.

    There are many others in the same situation, so why are they running the adverts saying otherwise? I can understand the pressures the system is under, but don't insult my intelligence by lying to me on the hour with expensive radio advert campaigns.


  • #1355
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Israel has vaccinated 11.5x times larger % of their population than the country with the second highest rate of vaccination in the world, UK.

    How is Israel doing it??

    Is this percentage calculation including the Palestinians they're not bothering to include in the programme?


  • #1356
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    titan18 wrote: »
    We seem to be hitting about 100 a day so ya, could be there after the weekend.

    We probably can't blame Varadkar for this, they're probably not his numbers.

    We'll pass 1,500 in a matter of days. It's not the best case scenario, it's delusion.
    3,000 sounds quite doable given our current trajectory. So what's the worst case scenario?


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  • #1357
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    lawred2 wrote: »
    they did nothing for health care workers with regards to childcare in the first lockdown...

    what exactly is he referring to?

    Referring to where he speaks from , I would say ;)
    They did nothing, and staff have still not had the €100 a day back that some spent on private babysitters to care for their children when schools and creches were closed and grandparents were cocooned.
    But hey , they got a " clap " and some candles lit .


  • #1358
    statesaver
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    Herb Powell wrote: »
    Is this percentage calculation including the Palestinians they're not bothering to include in the programme?

    Palestinian Authority / Hamas said they will get their own vaccines and distribute them themselves. They did not want Israeli help.


  • #1359
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    HSE update

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vAGRwpZzaNJl

    Terrible audio quality


  • #1360
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    David McWilliams Podcast is worth a listen about Israel and the vaccination program, really interesting how it is running. Outside of C19 their vaccinations run at 90% compliance.


  • #1361
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Probes wrote: »
    Not sure what's going on here, my missus was deemed essential in the first wave and I had to take time off my work to look after our kids. We didn't have any assistance that I recall other than financial for my lost wages.

    same as us... I'm back to the same situation I was in last March... herself working and I'm at home working and looking after the kids


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  • #1362
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    statesaver wrote: »
    Palestinian Authority / Hamas said they will get their own vaccines and distribute them themselves. They did not want Israeli help.
    Even if Israel is offering, the Palestinians wouldn't trust them. And I wouldn't blame them either.


  • #1363
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    HSE update

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vAGRwpZzaNJl

    Terrible audio quality

    Thanks slightly better I think

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347181476769619969?s=20


  • #1364
    [Deleted User]
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    Surely due vaccination numbers at this briefing??


  • #1365
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    Is this percentage calculation including the Palestinians they're not bothering to include in the programme?


    when Palestinians where starving they where building tunnels and buying weapons with aid money and in that region many nations would be incapable of what Israel is doing, a total 2 month vacination program and am sure palestinians living working in Israel will have a better chance of treatment vaccination there


  • #1366
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    seamus wrote: »
    Even if Israel is offering, the Palestinians wouldn't trust them. And I wouldn't blame them either.

    Israelis giving palestinians vaccines?!


    If i was palestinian, Id prefer to take my chances getting Covid!

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #1367
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    titan18 wrote: »
    Got to love the government

    Government - It's too unsafe for us to do more than 12 hours a week in the convention centre

    Government - It is safe enough for 18 year olds and teachers to spend 20 hours or so in much less space in classrooms

    Sure didn't the Dail get effectively evacuated when Donnelly had covid symptoms a while back?


  • #1368
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    We probably can't blame Varadkar for this, they're probably not his numbers.

    We'll pass 1,500 in a matter of days. It's not the best case scenario, it's delusion.
    3,000 sounds quite doable given our current trajectory. So what's the worst case scenario?
    The ratio of hospitalised to ICU varies. It was about 6:1 back in April, 8:1 in October, and is currently just over 10:1. Obviously it depends on who gets hospitalised. And that criteria might change depending on the availability of beds.

    Under any of those ratios, 3,000 in hospital means we're fvcked.


  • #1369
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Ok I'll bite once more. Explain your '10 times worse' comment in the context of this tweet

    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1346739705371643904

    What are we 10 times worse than?

    We all know it's more serious then ever before but we need to be careful with the data points because the numbers will get worse.
    We cant simply say we are "10 times worse" at the first sign of capacity issues.

    That statement was made to someone regarding flu . Deaths and ICU rates are 10 times worse than that of flu . End of ..
    I think my comments have a lot more realism about the state of our hospital situation than yours, and I refuse to enter into a debate with you on the basis of trolley figures when you don't appear to want understand the difference between then ie pre Covid , and now.
    Those figures you keep brandishing just don't make your point clearer .

    But fair dues, you are very good at quoting and highlighting aspects of quotes, veryskilled at that , indeed :)


  • #1370
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    We probably can't blame Varadkar for this, they're probably not his numbers.

    We'll pass 1,500 in a matter of days. It's not the best case scenario, it's delusion.
    3,000 sounds quite doable given our current trajectory. So what's the worst case scenario?

    I guess they're hoping restrictions make a difference and it levels off but could still be a lag in people needing to go to hospital and not like people in hospitals will be discharged overnight either. S

    Saying 1,500 when it's at over 1,000 now seems daft as surely will go over that within few days as you say.


  • #1371
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    StevenToast wrote: »
    Israelis giving palestinians vaccines?!


    If i was palestinian, Id prefer to take my chances getting Covid!

    You realize the vaccines aren't made by Mossad right, pharmaceutical companies produce them.


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  • #1372
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    pc7 wrote: »
    David McWilliams Podcast is worth a listen about Israel and the vaccination program, really interesting how it is running. Outside of C19 their vaccinations run at 90% compliance.

    There were a few ridiculous elements of that too though. In particular; they estimated that around 30% of workers in the Irish healthcare sector is capable of handling needles/giving vaccines. They then worked out how many each of those should be giving a day and set that as what our target numbers should be. Completely ignoring the fact that those doctors and nurses have more important jobs in oncology, cardiology etc.

    The notion that we'd redirect all our clinical health staff towards vaccinations is moronic. That's before getting into the fact that the reason for slowness is a supply issue, not a rollout issue.


  • #1373
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    seamus wrote: »
    The ratio of hospitalised to ICU varies. It was about 6:1 back in April, 8:1 in October, and is currently just over 10:1. Obviously it depends on who gets hospitalised. And that criteria might change depending on the availability of beds.

    Under any of those ratios, 3,000 in hospital means we're fvcked.

    Remind me again - what is the typical lag between case notification and hospitalisation?


  • #1374
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It's actually 95 in ICU as of about an hour ago.
    15 admissions, 4 discharges

    Tomorrow we should be back to where we were in April :(

    Ahh Tony , missing the point here ;)


  • #1375
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Ahh Tony , missing the point here ;)

    I never miss a point. It must be you that's wrong.

    Check again :)


  • #1376
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    HSE saying 1.9m have got flu vaccinated. If the vaccines have been in country since October (i think) that's pretty decent.

    If we get a 1 dose vaccine that can be given by GPs and pharmacists and maybe mass vaccination site would give you some hope that speed of vaccines in 2nd half of year could be a lot quicker between that and more vaccines being available and distributed.


  • #1377
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    AdamD wrote: »
    People need to understand here there aren't loads of spare doses of the Pfizer vaccine just sitting with Pfizer. Yes Israel have done brilliantly, but that approach couldn't have been copied. There is a limited supply. The only way we could have done it is by approving the vaccine before the EU and outbidding Israel, but if we tried that its likely other EU countries would have followed, which would have been an utter ****show with minimal additional vaccines for the entire bloc and higher prices for everyone.

    The question to be asked is why, when government money assisted the development of the vaccine, Pfizer felt it was ok to sell to the highest bidder and leave everyone else waiting. Vaccine development should be public like healthcare.


  • #1378
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Saying it would have been counter productive is letting the government and HSE off far too lightly.
    Consider the volume of posts since the vaccine was approved by the EMA which were talking about vaccine safety, calling it rushed, experimental, etc.

    And consider that every tenth post is some variation on "The HSE are incredibly incompetent and are making/going to make a balls of rolling out this vaccine".

    Now imagine that not only did the HSE go on a solo run and approve the vaccine before the EMA did, but that they told us that they would roll it out so fast that they would achieve herd immunity by Easter.

    Do you think people would be applauding this as a triumph of foresight and negotiation on the part of the HSE? Or as a rushed hatchet job putting the nation's health at risk in the pursuit of glory?

    More importantly, would YOU be lining up to receive one of these doses in the latter scenario?

    You can argue that there is a middle ground - a slightly faster rollout by negotiating ourselves. But as a smaller nation we were always going to be back of the queue. The EU purchase scheme is the most beneficial for us.


  • #1379
    What Username Guidelines
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    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347187494153031682?s=20


  • #1380
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347187494153031682?s=20

    Varadkar seemed to say 6,000 were done last week and an extra 35,000 this week but maybe he meant 35k in total by end of the week so


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  • #1381
    duffman13
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    HSE saying 1.9m have got flu vaccinated. If the vaccines have been in country since October (i think) that's pretty decent.

    If we get a 1 dose vaccine that can be given by GPs and pharmacists and maybe mass vaccination site would give you some hope that speed of vaccines in 2nd half of year could be a lot quicker between that and more vaccines being available and distributed.

    That 1.9m figure is pulled from where I wonder, total procurement or vaccines was supposed to be double last year but ended out being 1.4m. Supply was pretty poor with pharmacies getting updated criteria near the end to prioritise certain cohorts.

    Moderna and hopefully Astrazeneca (pending approval) are ideal to be given by pharmacists in Ireland and there's enough of them. The real issue is supply and consistent supply at that


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