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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1232
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Shhhhhhhhh not allowed be positive. I will say tho the 94 people in ICU was possibly a combined total not just from flu. The 80 or so being reported now is just with covid so doesn't give the full picture.

    Of course you're allowed to be positive, but do it from a platform of realism and understanding.


  • #1233
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    The amount of people equating Covid to the Flu. Sorry, but Covid is a much worse situation. Much higher rates of infection, including the staff looking after the patients. Much larger burden on the health system. 8 months into this and people still don't get it. We are heading for a humanitarian situation not seen here for a long time unless the situation changes.


  • #1234
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Egypt Drab Varnish wrote: »
    I don’t think that you understand what an ICU bed is. An ICU “bed” requires the following: 1. Highly specialised staff expertise: a. A consultant anaesthetist to oversee it-> 5 years of medical school and 7 years post-graduate training, exams, etc, b Anaesthetic registrars->5 years of medical school and minimum 3-4 years of postgraduate experience and exams, c-> ICU nurses-> 4 years of nursing school and minimum 2 years post-graduate experience. 2. Highly specialised equipment: this is extremely costly and not available on the ward, to monitor and treat the patient. 3. Intensive staff numbering-> 1:1 nurse: patient ratio and 1:6 doctor:patient ratio. 4. Specialised procedures: the ability to ventilate a patient, to perform dialysis on the patient, the ability to support their heart. ICU beds are very limited in any country. This is not an Irish problem.

    The cost-associated with all the above is astronomical. Also, there is, in every country only a limited set of resources. It is not surprising that the healthcare system is struggling to accommodate the extra 80+. Also, the fatigue of the healthcare staff is a huge issue. ICU is an exhausting speciality.

    People think of the car crashes and burns needing ICU. But if somebody has major cancer surgery, they will need critical care.

    I take my hat off to those people in critical care who are dealing with the strain of the 80+ patients, on top of their usual workload. They are working under gruelling conditions. I am certain that they will facilitate the extra numbers, and I hope that the right recognition goes to them for this.

    Yes it is an Irish problem, or at least more of a problem here than elsewhere. We have less ICU beds pro rata than most other OECD countries, a quarter of the number Germany has and an extremely high occupancy in normal times, we run out of ICU capacity every winter and all this for one of the highest expenditures on health in the OECD


  • #1235
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    splashuum wrote: »
    16th January 2020 had 94 people in ICU, 609 admitted within a week with flu.
    We now currently have approx 80 people in ICU and ZERO cases of the flu.
    We're actually in a better position going by the hse statistics.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    94 people in ICU in total, or, 94 people in ICU with the flu?

    There are a lot more people in ICU at the moment non-Covid.

    94 ICU admissions within a week. The article gives no indication if icu occupancy.

    In the 24 hour period ended 11am yesterday there was 18 icu admissions with covid. If that's repeated for the next week that would be 126 admissions in a week and therefore worse than where we were last year with flu.

    Instead icu admissions have been growing recently.


  • #1236
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    OwenM wrote: »
    Yes it is an Irish problem, or at least more of a problem here than elsewhere. We have less ICU beds pro rata than most other OECD countries, a quarter of the number Germany has and an extremely high occupancy in normal times, we run out of ICU capacity every winter and all this for one of the highest expenditures on health in the OECD
    This is true, but it should also be considered that even if we had 2,000 staffed ICU beds, 300 people in ICU with Covid is still extremely poor. ICU isn't a magic wand that will save people; some of them will die.

    It's shameful that we would be worrying about having no ICU beds at this stage, but I would also hope that if ICU capacity were not an issue we would still be under the current restrictions to try and drive infection rates down.

    There is an acceptable level of infection. This is not it.


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  • #1237
    Pcgamer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Pcgamer


    Is their antibody tests available?

    Had a slight cough for three days but now completely fatigued to the point i can only stay up for 8 hours for the last four days so not right for 7 days.


  • #1238
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    This is the problem here......
    Lovely tweet. Pity about the visor.

    No-one has the balls to say to the lady that it doesn't work. You are a massive infection risk to those most vulnerable.
    To think we are still like the nearly a year in. It should be wear a mask or get out.

    https://twitter.com/BerryCathal/status/1347111417418285057?s=20


  • #1239
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    If/when this does get really out of hand will the decision to reopen for xmas be seen historically as the worst decision by any irish government since the foundation of the state or is there a worse one? I know we have suffered a lot from the catholic church down through the years but that was more systemic rather than a single decision of government.


  • #1240
    seamus
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    Pcgamer wrote: »
    Is their antibody tests available?

    Had a slight cough for three days but now completely fatigued to the point i can only stay up for 8 hours for the last four days so not right for 7 days.
    There are a few around; https://www.tmb.ie/coronavirus-antibody-test

    Tbh, ring the GP and go get a proper PCR test for free.

    Unless you have another explanation (heavy boozing, IBS, etc), then you probably have Covid. Just go get tested.


  • #1241
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    95 now in ICU.

    15 admissions in the last 24 hours, 4 discharges.


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  • #1242
    bb1234567
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    British variant spreading at significant levels in all parts of the country according to Stephen Donnelly. t's no surprise , Ireland's case growth is unlike growth rate of covid anywhere in the world right now apart from the UK


  • #1243
    spookwoman
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    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Shhhhhhhhh not allowed be positive. I will say tho the 94 people in ICU was possibly a combined total not just from flu. The 80 or so being reported now is just with covid so doesn't give the full picture.

    Week 3 report 13-19 Jan

    Four confirmed influenza cases were admitted to critical care units and
    reported to HPSC during week 3 2020. During the 2019/2020 season to date 103 confirmed influenza
    cases have been reported as admitted to ICU.
    Previous week 14 and previous to that 13

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20192020season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week%2003%202020.pdf


  • #1244
    landofthetree
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    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/high-street-pharmacies-to-start-offering-oxford-covid-vaccine-next-week?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2RCM_IGZpdOvskQwN44soJ-40b9p4dQcXWUUlZaEDmV4FnJSeLIdVfMgo&__twitter_impression=true

    High street pharmacies to start offering Oxford Covid vaccine next week
    Move is part of UK government’s push to immunise 13 million vulnerable people by mid-February.


    Bo Jo doing a great job getting the vaccine out.


  • #1245
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    If/when this does get really out of hand will the decision to reopen for xmas be seen historically as the worst decision by any irish government since the foundation of the state or is there a worse one? I know we have suffered a lot from the catholic church down through the years but that was more systemic rather than a single decision of government.

    Off topic but maybe Dev's decision to go protectionist and kick off the Anglo-irish trade war set us back a bit. I know there were other aspects to it but it was very damaging for a very long time.

    Or the bank guarantee ?


  • #1246
    titan18
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/high-street-pharmacies-to-start-offering-oxford-covid-vaccine-next-week?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2RCM_IGZpdOvskQwN44soJ-40b9p4dQcXWUUlZaEDmV4FnJSeLIdVfMgo&__twitter_impression=true

    High street pharmacies to start offering Oxford Covid vaccine next week
    Move is part of UK government’s push to immunise 13 million vulnerable people by mid-February.


    Bo Jo doing a great job getting the vaccine out.

    I'd assume there's some system but could someone fly over to the UK and get vaccinated from here?


  • #1247
    Plumbthedepths
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    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    If/when this does get really out of hand will the decision to reopen for xmas be seen historically as the worst decision by any irish government since the foundation of the state or is there a worse one? I know we have suffered a lot from the catholic church down through the years but that was more systemic rather than a single decision of government.

    I’m no fan of the present government, but do we conveniently dismiss personal responsibility and assign all blame to government?
    I dropped my son to work last Sunday, I live on a very narrow rural road with some quite sharp bends. The posted speed limit is 80kph. Sunday was icy but even in Summer it would be reckless and stupid to drive at 80kph. Bottom line just because you can do something, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s safe or you should.


  • #1248
    ginoginelli
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    Why are people from other countries still being allowed to fly in here without a pcr test?

    Mary Lou highlighted it as very obviously wrong yesterday but it's getting very little media traction.

    Its is another massive faus pax from the coalition. Lives are at stake here. It is boarding on ****ing criminal incompetence at this stage.


  • #1249
    agoodpunt
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    The amount of people equating Covid to the Flu. Sorry, but Covid is a much worse situation. Much higher rates of infection, including the staff looking after the patients. Much larger burden on the health system. 8 months into this and people still don't get it. We are heading for a humanitarian situation not seen here for a long time unless the situation changes.


    Its more likely staff infected in the community unless you have data to back it up.
    If people are already teminally ill from another or have drug addition problems the virus will shorten their lives this is an impossible burden for any health service to manage if the expection is to do everything to the last while imposing a total lockdown for these 5% probably with less than a year to live even without covid 19

    All we are doing is bring them together all at one time and shutting down everthing else


  • #1250
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I’m no fan of the present government, but do we conveniently dismiss personal responsibility and assign all blame to government?
    I dropped my son to work last Sunday, I live on a very narrow rural road with some quite sharp bends. The posted speed limit is 80kph. Sunday was icy but even in Summer it would be reckless and stupid to drive at 80kph. Bottom line just because you can do something, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s safe or you should.

    It's the government's fault the posted speed is 80 kmph

    you've actually found a decent analogy for the opposite of what you were trying to say


  • #1251
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    Is their antibody tests available?

    Had a slight cough for three days but now completely fatigued to the point i can only stay up for 8 hours for the last four days so not right for 7 days.

    sounds like you are in peak symptoms, antibody test only good once you start clearing the disease.


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  • #1252
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/high-street-pharmacies-to-start-offering-oxford-covid-vaccine-next-week?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2RCM_IGZpdOvskQwN44soJ-40b9p4dQcXWUUlZaEDmV4FnJSeLIdVfMgo&__twitter_impression=true

    High street pharmacies to start offering Oxford Covid vaccine next week
    Move is part of UK government’s push to immunise 13 million vulnerable people by mid-February.


    Bo Jo doing a great job getting the vaccine out.

    yeah, where do pharmacy's come into the equation with vaccine roll outs in Ireland?
    With the moderna vaccine (or any other vaccine) could a certain amount not be given to mcabes/boots etc to start vaccinating people? obviously this would be for certain higher risk members of society also but why cant the pharmacy's do this in parallel to the hse?


  • #1253
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Off topic but maybe Dev's decision to go protectionist and kick off the Anglo-irish trade war set us back a bit. I know there were other aspects to it but it was very damaging for a very long time.

    Or the bank guarantee ?

    I think when we look back we will see that the government failed the people in a number of ways. I think the border on this island was the biggest reason for our inability to control the virus. We could have came close to eliminating the virus during the first wave of we had of sat tight for another couple of months then places travel restrictions like those seen in New Zeland. But to be fair to the government that would have not worked because of the border.


  • #1254
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Why get personal? Is there anything I have said which suggest I dont think Covid is more sever then the flu. All I an saying is there are people on there almost waiting to see people dying outside hospitals to prove that this is a terrible disease . My point is that we have had on days 500 paintents waiting on trolleys in hospitals around the countries. I.e. all our beds are taken plus there are 500 more waiting to get a bed. That is an awful situation. From a hospital stand point the next few weeks will be hard. But the government have ensured that all the resources are directed to COVID. The hospitals are pretty much clear to deal with this and this only. So where normally there will be flu paintents plus people recovering from surgeries this time there will be mainly just Covid.

    Sorry for mentioning the fact that you mentioned your oh was a nurse, was that you making it personal or me ? I am not sure, but apologies anyway .
    I get your point, but after working 3 double shifts on the trot because staff off sick due to Covid and having worked NY also, it is personal for me . Especially coming on here to see people saying that this is just like a bad winter and conflating flu with Covid .
    This thread usually doesn't descend to that level much , so very disappointing when people to read that sort of commentary .
    Not that yours was the worst .

    Btw the worst of patients waiting in trolleys in past years is not as bad as things are here in Dublin hospitals right now .


  • #1255
    copeyhagen
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    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    If/when this does get really out of hand will the decision to reopen for xmas be seen historically as the worst decision by any irish government since the foundation of the state or is there a worse one? I know we have suffered a lot from the catholic church down through the years but that was more systemic rather than a single decision of government.

    locking down the socialising of 5 million people for best part of 9 months, then opening it back up for the busy season..what else could the outcome have been, especially if 50% of the people are asymptomatic, as has been suggested.

    maybe doing what the rest of Europe done and actually ****ing opening up their economy for the ebst aprt of a Year, wouldnt have seen this rush of socialising for Xmas.

    so their mistake was already put in place when they decided to keep so much restricted for so much of the Year.


  • #1256
    mandrake04
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    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I think when we look back we will see that the government failed the people in a number of ways. I think the border on this island was the biggest reason for our inability to control the virus. We could have came close to eliminating the virus during the first wave of we had of sat tight for another couple of months then places travel restrictions like those seen in New Zeland. But to be fair to the government that would have not worked because of the border.

    the border is a problem, but ROI would have been in a far far better position now if they had limited travel through Dublin airport. You wouldn't been at NZ level but the less spot fires you create for yourself the easier and more resources you have to fight the ones created by someone else.


  • #1257
    Goldengirl
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    majcos wrote: »
    In 2019/2020 influenza season 4332 confirmed hospitalized influenza cases with 154 of those admitted to ICU. 110 deaths.

    (Influenza year reporting goes from October to October. Data from HPSC.)

    Thanks for that and to spookwoman for posting also.
    Thing is I have posted that data on the other thread for the op that asked for it and others but either they never read it or choose to ignore , so hence why I wasn't going to bother to do it wll over again , and just went to bed !


  • #1258
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Latest GP referral data here:

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-07_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Looking like referral numbers are falling now, so good news, but a long long way to go


  • #1259
    Wibbs
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    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I think when we look back we will see that the government failed the people in a number of ways. I think the border on this island was the biggest reason for our inability to control the virus. We could have came close to eliminating the virus during the first wave of we had of sat tight for another couple of months then places travel restrictions like those seen in New Zeland. But to be fair to the government that would have not worked because of the border.
    When foot and mouth hit we were able to treat the country as an island, why we couldn't do the same with covid is beyond me.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1260
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Wibbs wrote: »
    When foot and mouth hit we were able to treat the country as an island, why we couldn't do the same with covid is beyond me.

    Three letters D.U.P.
    Although the CTA is also troublesome but not insurmountable.


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  • #1261
    CruelSummer
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    splashuum wrote: »
    16th January 2020 had 94 people in ICU, 609 admitted within a week with flu.
    We now currently have approx 80 people in ICU and ZERO cases of the flu.
    We're actually in a better position going by the hse statistics.

    But this looks like 94 people in ICU in total. We've nearly 90 in ICU now with Covid, plus others in ICU for various other conditions.


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