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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #872
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That would mean the vaccines weren't effective.

    The vaccines won't be fully rolled out this side of the summer, I think is where he is coming from.


  • #873
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Hard to believe with everything that a blind eye was thrown over places selling takeaway pints..

    That it even had to be highlighted..

    That has been stopped now with the new restrictions, according to the reports tonight on VM News.


  • #874
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Stheno wrote: »
    For now

    It will be extended

    I smell shutting the stable door after the horse is bolted.

    Plenty of flights from SA connecting via Amsterdam and the Middle East


  • #875
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,111 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Just doing some back of the napkin maths but:
    Our population is approx 5 million.
    25% of the pop are under 16 so can’t take the vaccine which leaves 3750000.
    Now let’s say that 10% can’t/won’t take vaccine (pregnant women, anti vaxers etc, people worried about the vaccine), that leaves: 3750000-375000=3375000 people to be vaccinated.
    So if we manage to get 50k people vaccinated a week that’s 3375000/50000= 67.5 weeks.
    Yikes.
    Will we manage 50k a week?


  • #876
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Kivaro wrote: »
    That has been stopped now with the new restrictions, according to the reports tonight on VM News.

    that's what I'm referring to

    that that nonsense got this far as to needing to be specifically highlighted beggars belief


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  • #877
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Is it meaningful to fit an epi curve onto data distorted by the backlog issue?
    Have you tried fitting the swab data?

    Good question. I think it is because it fits it quite well. The curve has stayed steady at 20% growth the last week.

    Since the start our data has had issues. The swabs didn't match the confirmed cases etc. But ultimately the cases come through sooner or later.

    I remember in august September on here with the endless debate about the backlog and games of higher lower. / the price is right. I think this was a result of the cider computer system thing.

    We consistently saw a couple of low days and people go "nothing to worry about let's get back to normal"

    Followed immediately by a big jump. The curve when cases were growing was always remarkably consistent though. Endless debates about it not being exponential when the formula and curve fit clearly showed it was.

    Today was an oh **** day, where did they come from. Truth is we know where they came from. We have a +20% positivity rate. We've had to stop testing close contacts not to mention contact tracing breaking down. So the cases are likely believe it or not an underestimate.

    Restrictions will hopefully start to bring it under control but hospital and ICU will lag.


  • #878
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SuperRabbit wrote: »
    Young people have like a 20% risk of long covid, and something like 25% of people get organ damage even with mild covid and we don't know what the long term effects of it will be

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0106/1187935-long-covid-symptoms/

    Are your claims based on an RTE article which it appears you didn’t read?


  • #879
    eggy81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Follow_ur_lead wrote: »
    Just been speaking to some of my mates in building / construction. All of them are deemed essential somehow.

    Not a hope sites will close and no wayof enforcing it.

    We’ve been told we staying open. Data centre project. Hard to know what way I feel to be honest. It makes a mockery of their lockdown talk though.


  • #880
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    marno21 wrote: »
    I smell shutting the stable door after the horse is bolted.

    Plenty of flights from SA connecting via Amsterdam and the Middle East

    Anyone have a clue if they will shut international travel altogether for a little while?


  • #881
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    Follow_ur_lead wrote: »
    Just been speaking to some of my mates in building / construction. All of them are deemed essential somehow.

    Not a hope sites will close and no wayof enforcing it.

    Huge ownngoal by a weak willed goverment. This essential nonsense will encourage builders to deem themselves as doing essential projects and tip away at work on a reduced basis while drawing PUP. Might just result in a bigger PUP bill with no impact on virus transmission. Either let them all open or shut them all down.

    It wont be policed anyway. My employer deemed themselves essential during lockdown 1 (medical device manufacturing) and I was stopped at checkpoints on the way to work several times. I had a letter from the plant manage to show Gardai evidence of working in an essential manufacturing service but I never had to use it. In fact I didnt even mention what I was working at for a finish. Just a simple 'I'm going to work' sufficed at all checkpoints.

    The lack of enforcement of any of the public health restrictions was a huge mistake. It was fine for lockdown 1 as most people were terrified of COVID and complied anyway. People (myself included) became blasé as time went on. It was inevitable when there was no deterrent to not following the guidelines. In general I was very complaint but there were times when I traveled more than 5km for example to play golf because I knew I'd get away with it. The worst that would happen would be to be told go home.


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  • #882
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    billyhead wrote: »
    Why would you even encourage this. No wonder we are where we are.

    I was being sarcastic.

    As I posted here yesterday, these restrictions aren’t worth a damn unless Northern Ireland have them too.


  • #883
    AutoTuning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭AutoTuning


    landofthetree wrote: »
    This wont be over till 2023 at the earliest. The governments and the WHO need to start being honest with people.

    https://www.top1000funds.com/2020/12/2023-until-normal-returns/



    "Speaking at FIS Digital 2020 Dr Ian Norton, founder and managing director of Respond Global and the former global head of WHO’s Emergency Medical Team Initiative warned the 185-odd asset owner attendees with a collective $11 trillion assets under management that a long road to normal still lies ahead.

    “We’ve never seen a pandemic end in less than two years,” he said."

    The problem is if you’re too honest you could cause a market crash. The market sentiment can go nuts at the slightest hint of something like that.

    The older airlines have been saying all along that they’re targeting 2023 for normality. They’ve been probably the most realistic.


  • #884
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,059 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    George Lee currently climaxing on RTE 1

    Post of the day

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #885
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    Would you sit in a room for 6 hrs with 25 young adults from different households 3 days a week in the middle of a pandemic that is reaching its peak?

    Remember now if you somehow get very ill you might not get an ICU bed. Answer truthfully.

    Yes, because it's my job. It's what I'm paid to do and it's what is expected of me. What do doctors and nurses feel like watching teachers whinging, I wonder? What do the staff in Tesco and Spar feel like - on their minimum wage money, no pensions and total lack of protection from the great unwashed all day, every day?


  • #886
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Steve012 wrote: »
    The vaccines won't be fully rolled out this side of the summer, I think is where he is coming from.

    If those who are vulnerable and also front line and essential staff are vaccinated then I don't see why we will need level 4 or 5.


  • #887
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Follow_ur_lead wrote: »
    Just been speaking to some of my mates in building / construction. All of them are deemed essential somehow.

    Not a hope sites will close and no wayof enforcing it.

    Is it not just social housing that's essential?


  • #888
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Follow_ur_lead wrote: »
    Just been speaking to some of my mates in building / construction. All of them are deemed essential somehow.

    Not a hope sites will close and no wayof enforcing it.

    That's the point. Leave a little loop hole for your friends. Don't be going upsetting the donors now. Same with the takeaway pints.

    He can't give a straight answer. Weasel words. Enough for those who won't do what's right to not do what's right.

    The restrictions have been a joke. Losing count of the waves at this stage.


  • #889
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Yes, because it's my job. It's what I'm paid to do and it's what is expected of me. What do doctors and nurses feel like watching teachers whinging, I wonder? What do the staff in Tesco and Spar feel like - on their minimum wage money, no pensions and total lack of protection from the great unwashed all day, every day?

    You'll have to point those doctors, nurses or Tesco workers in the small room with 25 others at the same time for 6 hrs to me because I must have missed it


  • #890
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    A lot of this was avoidable if The Government had the courage before Christmas . .....the economic cost of keeping the lobby groups sweet will be massive not to mention the suffering of people who pick the virus up. Opposition can't say much because they never opened their mouths either.


  • #891
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If those who are vulnerable and also front line and essential staff are vaccinated then I don't see why we will need level 4 or 5.

    Hospitalisations, ICU admissions and deaths will be way, way down in that instance so what will the justification be for Level 5...Long Covid?

    To paraphrase Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels:

    "A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of Long Covid."


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  • #892
    Mike3549
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Just doing some back of the napkin maths but:
    Our population is approx 5 million.
    25% of the pop are under 16 so can’t take the vaccine which leaves 3750000.
    Now let’s say that 10% can’t/won’t take vaccine (pregnant women, anti vaxers etc, people worried about the vaccine), that leaves: 3750000-375000=3375000 people to be vaccinated.
    So if we manage to get 50k people vaccinated a week that’s 3375000/50000= 67.5 weeks.
    Yikes.
    Will we manage 50k a week?

    If we manage to take 25k swabs a day, 50k vaccinations a week sounds very doable


  • #893
    eggy81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭eggy81


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's the point. Leave a little loop hole for your friends. Don't be going upsetting the donors now. Same with the takeaway pints.

    He can't give a straight answer. Weasel words. Enough for those who won't do what's right to not do what's right.

    The restrictions have been a joke. Losing count of the waves at this stage.

    They way the foreign direct investment nugget was just snuck in at the end of the list was gas.


  • #894
    Corruptedmorals
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    Just got the email today that the vaccine is landing in work next week. Christ. I am not frontline staff so won't be first in line but I deal with patients and plenty of staff. It is nervewracking right now with people out isolating/awaiting results.

    Actually feeling emotional. It's just brilliant.


  • #895
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    quartz1 wrote: »
    A lot of this was avoidable if The Government had the courage before Christmas . .....the economic cost of keeping the lobby groups sweet will be massive not to mention the suffering of people who pick the virus up. Opposition can't say much because they never opened their mouths either.

    That's true. I hadn't realised til I read your post actually how quiet they've been. Mary Lou was calling for school closure but only of late I think?


  • #896
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Is it not just social housing that's essential?
    I'm confused on that one.
    Why is it less dangerous/contagious for builders to build social houses than it is for builders to build private houses, which are badly needed for the workers in the country? I understand that a small portion of social housing are occupied by workers, but it seems unfair that the building of private housing developments are now stopped, but social housing developments are allowed to continue.


  • #897
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Antares35 wrote: »
    That's true. I hadn't realised til I read your post actually how quiet they've been. Mary Lou was calling for school closure but only of late I think?


    Mary Lou was interviewed on radio 1 today. Would not answer the simple question of whether schools should be open or closed for 6th years.


  • #898
    darem93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    Steve012 wrote: »
    Anyone have a clue if they will shut international travel altogether for a little while?
    They really, really need to but no doubt it'll be put on the long finger until it's too late :rolleyes:

    That's how the virus got here in the first place, why there hasn't been stricter regulations at the airports and ports is just beyond me.


  • #899
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Kivaro wrote: »
    I'm confused on that one.
    Why is it less dangerous/contagious for builders to build social houses than it is for builders to build private houses, which are badly needed for the workers in the country? I understand that a small portion of social housing are occupied by workers, but it seems unfair that the building of private housing developments are now stopped, but social housing developments are allowed to continue.
    It isn't, I'm just asking how people are getting around the exception rule.


  • #900
    Follow_ur_lead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 60 ✭✭Follow_ur_lead


    Anyone reckon any chance of Lanzarote in July? Sorry if off topic. New to this.


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  • #901
    Belt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Belt


    Mike3549 wrote: »
    If we manage to take 25k swabs a day, 50k vaccinations a week sounds very doable

    We shouldnt need everyone vaccinated. Once those over 65, the vulnerable and frontline workers are vaccinated, we should be opening things back up. The low levels of ICUs and deaths would not justify keeping society lockdown.


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