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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • #2942
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    rx8 wrote: »
    Do you want to have it installed aswell, or do you just want the unit itself...?
    My installer will do it for €960, if there's not too much distance to the fuse board or €1100 if it's a longer run of cable.
    PM Sent with details.

    Morning,

    Could I get their details also please?

    Thank you!


  • #2943
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    rx8 wrote: »
    Do you want to have it installed aswell, or do you just want the unit itself...?
    My installer will do it for €960, if there's not too much distance to the fuse board or €1100 if it's a longer run of cable.
    PM Sent with details.

    Can you pm me the details too please.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #2944
    rx8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭rx8


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Can you pm me the details too please.

    Sent to both now. Best of luck with it.


  • #2945
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    rx8 wrote: »
    Sent to both now. Best of luck with it.

    Thank you!


  • #2946
    Killer K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Killer K


    rx8 wrote: »
    Do you want to have it installed aswell, or do you just want the unit itself...?
    My installer will do it for €960, if there's not too much distance to the fuse board or €1100 if it's a longer run of cable.
    PM Sent with details.

    Hi Rx8, grateful if you could pm me his details as well.


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  • #2947
    rx8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭rx8


    Killer K wrote: »
    Hi Rx8, grateful if you could pm me his details as well.

    Done


  • #2948
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Does the price Electric Ireland quote for the EO Mini include the ALM unit or is that extra? Have an electric shower so looks like it’s needed


  • #2949
    NyOmnishambles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭NyOmnishambles


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Does the price Electric Ireland quote for the EO Mini include the ALM unit or is that extra? Have an electric shower so looks like it’s needed

    It is included as part of the install of the unit


  • #2950
    Ionised
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Ionised


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Do you have the pro or just the basic one?

    Just the basic EO Mini with the ALM unit


  • #2951
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    How much are we talking for the Andersen?


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  • #2952
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How much are we talking for the Andersen?

    I think that's the most expensive one you can buy. If you have to ask you can't afford it!


  • #2953
    Badger242
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Badger242


    Hi All. We recently bought a 2015 Nissan Leaf and need to buy a home charger. I have the grant sorted but can't decide on what one to go for.

    I'm looking to get an untethered one to future proof agaist any future Type 2 car. We have an air to water heat system so will need one that can load balance.

    It doesn't need to have any fancy apps, timers, solar power compatibility, etc. I also an electrician mate who can install. Does anyone have recomendations on some cheap options? I like the look of the EO mini Pro 2. Any thoughts? Thanks.


  • #2954
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Badger242 wrote: »
    Hi All. We recently bought a 2015 Nissan Leaf and need to buy a home charger. I have the grant sorted but can't decide on what one to go for.

    I'm looking to get an untethered one to future proof agaist any future Type 2 car. We have an air to water heat system so will need one that can load balance.

    It doesn't need to have any fancy apps, timers, solar power compatibility, etc. I also an electrician mate who can install. Does anyone have recomendations on some cheap options? I like the look of the EO mini Pro 2. Any thoughts? Thanks.

    EO Mini with the ALM module should cover your needs. Make sure your friend is reci certified, you might need to provide a test cert to claim the grant money

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #2955
    barrymanilow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭barrymanilow


    Hi there,


    Asking for a family member,

    Would anyone know where I could get a home electric car charger at the best price so that their electrician could install it?

    It's for a KIA Exceed if that helps. Ans it doesn't have to have any of the bells and whistles like bluetooth etc , just the most basic.

    There are various companies I see that provide them but from what I see they kind of insist that their own guys install it.Is it possible to just buy the unit itself for our own electrician to then put in ?


    Thanks


  • #2956
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’m Assuming you are not availing of the grant?

    There’s some for sale on adverts currently.

    I ordered a new 32a QUBEV unit the other day from the uk for €231.


  • #2957
    Sparks15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Sparks15


    Can one apply for the home charger grant from SEAI without the EV Grant Application ID? It’s one of the fields on the application form but I don’t have this info to hand yet. Just want to have the application in so that it’s ready to go when I get the car.


  • #2958
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Sparks15 wrote: »
    Can one apply for the home charger grant from SEAI without the EV Grant Application ID? It’s one of the fields on the application form but I don’t have this info to hand yet. Just want to have the application in so that it’s ready to go when I get the car.

    Yes you can. Doing it this way means you’ll need to submit a copy of the logbook with your final application.


  • #2959
    Radharc na Sleibhte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Radharc na Sleibhte


    Does everyone switch to a night rate meter as soon as they install the charger? I commute a huge 1.5km, so charging will be very rare. They suggest 30% of usage should be at night to justify a night rate in an urban area, even more in rural where I am. Should I see how I go first for a while?

    Do I have to (and should I) wait until I have the car to apply for the charger grant?

    Car not due to arrive for another 8-10 weeks. First EV and I’m so excited.

    P.S: is there a good online resource for info and advice?

    Thanks for any help :)


  • #2960
    Gianna Tiny Program
    Posts: 0 ✭ Gianna Tiny Program


    Useful thread here I think for "what to get sorted" when getting the first car - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058143119


  • #2961
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »
    Does everyone switch to a night rate meter as soon as they install the charger? I commute a huge 1.5km, so charging will be very rare. They suggest 30% of usage should be at night to justify a night rate in an urban area, even more in rural where I am. Should I see how I go first for a while?

    Do I have to (and should I) wait until I have the car to apply for the charger grant?

    Car not due to arrive for another 8-10 weeks. First EV and I’m so excited.

    P.S: is there a good online resource for info and advice?

    Thanks for any help :)

    Well the night rate has the advantage that you can run your dishwasher and washing machine at night and they're cheaper. But as you say it might not make sense right now. It'd be a good idea to take regular meter readings before and after getting the car to see how much you're using

    You don't need to wait for the EV to apply for the grant, however you'll need to send a copy of the registration cert to claim the money in this case, so you won't get the money until you get the car. Something to be aware of if you're getting a charger installed before the car arrives

    Which EV did you go for? Most of them have an owners thread on boards, they can be good for model specific advice

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • #2962
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Since we're in lockdown and most construction activity will be stopping, does anyone know what the story will be for getting a charger installed?

    I'd presume it's still allowed as an essential work as it's required by many EV owners for their own mobility

    Of course it's up to the electrician installing it as to whether they'll take the job at the end of the day, but it'll be interesting to see if any of the big companies stop doing installations

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #2963
    barrymanilow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭barrymanilow


    Gumbo wrote: »
    I’m Assuming you are not availing of the grant?

    There’s some for sale on adverts currently.

    I ordered a new 32a QUBEV unit the other day from the uk for €231.


    Thanks,

    If they were availing of the grant should they go more expensive , is that what you mean? Or can you only get the grant if you go via certain installers?

    That sounds like a great price . They are simple folk , they just want to plug the car into the wall and charge it like a phone.


  • #2964
    Maddic_Irl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭Maddic_Irl


    Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »
    Does everyone switch to a night rate meter as soon as they install the charger? I commute a huge 1.5km, so charging will be very rare. They suggest 30% of usage should be at night to justify a night rate in an urban area, even more in rural where I am. Should I see how I go first for a while?

    Do I have to (and should I) wait until I have the car to apply for the charger grant?

    Car not due to arrive for another 8-10 weeks. First EV and I’m so excited.

    P.S: is there a good online resource for info and advice?

    Thanks for any help :)
    I have read that the ESB are rolling out smart meters to every home (FOC) regardless of electricity supplier, afaik though it has been delayed due to the current situation. These would eliminate the need to a separate night meter but you will have to wait until suppliers offer plans to take advantage.

    I will be waiting for this before considering PV panels or similar, it will present a different calculation for ROI depending on individual setup.


  • #2965
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Maddic_Irl wrote: »
    I have read that the ESB are rolling out smart meters to every home (FOC) regardless of electricity supplier, afaik though it has been delayed due to the current situation. These would eliminate the need to a separate night meter but you will have to wait until suppliers offer plans to take advantage.

    I will be waiting for this before considering PV panels or similar, it will present a different calculation for ROI depending on individual setup.

    apparently they cant switch your meter if you are on a day night rate.


  • #2966
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Maddic_Irl wrote: »
    I have read that the ESB are rolling out smart meters to every home (FOC) regardless of electricity supplier, afaik though it has been delayed due to the current situation. These would eliminate the need to a separate night meter but you will have to wait until suppliers offer plans to take advantage.

    I will be waiting for this before considering PV panels or similar, it will present a different calculation for ROI depending on individual setup.

    There is no separate night meter. It doesnt matter if you are on a 24hr rate or a day/night rate you still have one meter. The existing digital meters have 3 readouts.... total (i.e. 24hr rate), day and night. When the meter read comes to your house he will read out the values that apply to you but its one meter.

    There is no reason to hold off on Solar because of Smart meter rollout. Smart meters allow you to monitor your whole house usage more closely and it removes the need for someone to come to your house to read the meter so billing will be more accurate but it wont make any difference to your Solar PV choice.

    Now, if you said you were holding off on Solar PV until Feed-in-Tariff came in, then that would be a different matter. Personally I wouldnt hold out for FiT either... it will be small money and not a major deciding factor on whether SolarPV is worth it or not... more icing on the cake than the cake itself! ;)


  • #2967
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Cyrus wrote: »
    apparently they cant switch your meter if you are on a day night rate.

    That was true for me when I asked. If I took the smart meter they wanted me to go back to the 24hr rate as their backend software could not yet handle day/night rate. It was only setup for 24hr rate. That was over a year ago. They must be close to sorting that out at this stage.

    Until they address that, they can keep their smart meter!


  • #2968
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,817 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    KCross wrote: »
    That was true for me when I asked. If I took the smart meter they wanted me to go back to the 24hr rate as their backend software could not yet handle day/night rate. It was only setup for 24hr rate. That was over a year ago. They must be close to sorting that out at this stage.

    Until they address that, they can keep their smart meter!

    thats a shambles :rolleyes:


  • #2969
    Maddic_Irl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭Maddic_Irl


    Cyrus wrote: »
    apparently they cant switch your meter if you are on a day night rate.
    KCross wrote: »
    That was true for me when I asked. If I took the smart meter they wanted me to go back to the 24hr rate as their backend software could not yet handle day/night rate. It was only setup for 24hr rate. That was over a year ago. They must be close to sorting that out at this stage.

    Until they address that, they can keep their smart meter!

    Same with my parents house, the swapped out a night meter and had to go on day rate only, they installed a digital meter (smart?) at the same time.
    KCross wrote: »
    There is no separate night meter. It doesnt matter if you are on a 24hr rate or a day/night rate you still have one meter. The existing digital meters have 3 readouts.... total (i.e. 24hr rate), day and night. When the meter read comes to your house he will read out the values that apply to you but its one meter.

    Sorry, yes thats what I meant, I'm no expert just comparing to my old analog meter.
    KCross wrote: »

    There is no reason to hold off on Solar because of Smart meter rollout. Smart meters allow you to monitor your whole house usage more closely and it removes the need for someone to come to your house to read the meter so billing will be more accurate but it wont make any difference to your Solar PV choice.

    Now, if you said you were holding off on Solar PV until Feed-in-Tariff came in, then that would be a different matter. Personally I wouldnt hold out for FiT either... it will be small money and not a major deciding factor on whether SolarPV is worth it or not... more icing on the cake than the cake itself! ;)

    I mentioned that this would depend on each individuals situation, in fairness you would not know mine. I have underfloor heating supplied by a heat pump, the underfloor is the biggest cost contributor to my electricity bill. With the smart meter and tariffs that allow different rates at different times (maybe this is what you mean by Feed-in-Tariff's?) I can use the underfloor like a storage heater. The resulting reduction in my bill would extend the ROI on PV panels significantly. I am holding off because I know I may be wrong in my assumptions and if so I would like to know, have ordered a Zappi just in case of PV or similar further down the road.


  • #2970
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Maddic_Irl wrote: »
    I mentioned that this would depend on each individuals situation, in fairness you would not know mine. I have underfloor heating supplied by a heat pump, the underfloor is the biggest cost contributor to my electricity bill. With the smart meter and tariffs that allow different rates at different times (maybe this is what you mean by Feed-in-Tariff's?) I can use the underfloor like a storage heater. The resulting reduction in my bill would extend the ROI on PV panels significantly. I am holding off because I know I may be wrong in my assumptions and if so I would like to know, have ordered a Zappi just in case of PV or similar further down the road.

    I was referring to this comment from you
    I will be waiting for this before considering PV panels...

    Smart meters should not really influence that decision. I have UFH/HP also.

    UFH will primarily be in operation when Solar PV is producing the least amount for you (~Oct-Mar). Then trying to second guess the weather and cloud cover to heat your UFH from what little Solar PV you have during those winter months is going to do your head in for little financial gain. So, I would not agree that it will "extend the ROI on PV panels significantly". It will have minimal effect.

    Solar PV is going to generates masses of excess during the summer and thats when you want Feed-in-Tariff which is where ESB will pay you for the excess... so they reduce your bill in the summer.... smart meters will be capable of recording what you have exported but we dont have a FiT yet so its all a guessing game on FiT.

    TL;DR... Solar PV and UFH/HP are not really linked in the overall scheme of things and should not influence your decision to put in Solar PV or not. One exception.... you can use SolarPV to generate hot water which will reduce the need for the HP to come on in the summer to heat your hot water.

    Good choice on the Zappi.... that is exactly the type of device you need to soak up excess Solar energy in advance of FiT coming in (assuming the car is at home during the day) as its a fully automated device.


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  • #2971
    Maddic_Irl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭Maddic_Irl


    KCross wrote: »
    I was referring to this comment from you



    Smart meters should not really influence that decision. I have UFH/HP also.

    UFH will primarily be in operation when Solar PV is producing the least amount for you (~Oct-Mar). Then trying to second guess the weather and cloud cover to heat your UFH from what little Solar PV you have during those winter months is going to do your head in for little financial gain. So, I would not agree that it will "extend the ROI on PV panels significantly". It will have minimal effect.

    Solar PV is going to generates masses of excess during the summer and thats when you want Feed-in-Tariff which is where ESB will pay you for the excess... so they reduce your bill in the summer.... smart meters will be capable of recording what you have exported but we dont have a FiT yet so its all a guessing game on FiT.

    TL;DR... Solar PV and UFH/HP are not really linked in the overall scheme of things and should not influence your decision to put in Solar PV or not. One exception.... you can use SolarPV to generate hot water which will reduce the need for the HP to come on in the summer to heat your hot water.

    Good choice on the Zappi.... that is exactly the type of device you need to soak up excess Solar energy in advance of FiT coming in (assuming the car is at home during the day) as its a fully automated device.

    Some excellent points there, thank you! I see the points you are making but I am looking at it from another point of view, not just ROI but also opportunity cost. As you have pointed out PV would do little to reduce my main cost contributor, smart meter with night rates might and if not, any investment I make would be targeted at that for a quicker ROI. I appreciate your comments, gave me more variables to consider including the possibility of FiT which I would need to consider in any ROI assessment.

    Apologies that this has gone off topic somewhat, valuable info there for me at least.


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