Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

SuperRabbit wrote: »

What does that mean, does that mean until April?

My guess is construction and schools can go back as soon as the hospitals aren't having to turn people away anymore

Nah likely be late Summer

We aren't known for relaxing restrictions in Ireland

niallo27 wrote: »

Why so. Chances of me getting sick from this are in the thousands.

im sure you are not the first to think that.

Steve012 wrote: »

Originally Posted by Lashes28 View Post
The care home my grandparents are in called for permission for the vaccine to be administered and also to make a decision that if they were to contract CovID in the home that they would not get treatment for it in hospital. That they would just be made comfortable in the home. Could be a factor in pushing nursing home figures up.

"that if they were to contract CovID in the home that they would not get treatment for it in hospital"

Why would they say that, on what authority are they making that claim on?!?

Blood boiler if true, if my Mam was in a nursing home and I was told that..

It's true?? My family had to make the decision if they wanted to leave them in the home isolated and comfortable rather than bring them to hospital if they needed treatment if they caught CovID. It was a choice it's obviously new policies homes have to put in place to know what to do if covid cases arise. Both grandparents already have DNR, so it was another hard topic to discuss between the family as they don't have the cognitive ability to decide themselves.

Annoyingly though the home will call and let us know if there are CovID cases in the home,it seems to be a few HCW that are catching it but they can't tell us if they have been in contact with my grandparents?

Suggestion that the government will meet with the NI Executive later this week to discuss an all-island coordinated approach to movement of people, was reported on RTE News there. Only took them 10 months!

oceanman wrote: »

im sure you are not the first to think that.

Statistically it's true. Am I wrong. The poster said my mortgage was the least of my worries that more or less this virus would kill me.

SuperRabbit wrote: »

It's kind of annoying seeing people on here upset about losing their job when we had someone yesterday who couldn't get follow up care for their surgery because it's technically not an emergency, and was worried it would mean complications and extra surgery like it did the last time it was delayed.

Those construction projects will still need to get done, your job is sitting waiting for you. Your life isn't in danger. The hospitals being at capacity right now is putting a lot of people's lives in danger, and we need to get those numbers down. You are totaly entitled to feel upset and disappointed and worried about your financial situation, it's awful and it's scary and I'm sorry and I wish it was different and it really is ****ing ****ty but to turn around and say this decision was the wrong one is proper selfish

One more time:

Once the hospitals are completely full, people who get sick in any way for any reason can't get the care they need

You haven't a ****en clue do you.

seamus wrote: »

We also won't see this dragged out to quite the same extent. Assuming cases are reducing come end of January, which they will, then schools, construction and click and collect will go back. These are low risk activities that won't halt any downward trend.

What are you basing this on?

They aren’t swift to remove restrictions

growleaves wrote: »

Yes but most people who think that are right, except for the few that aren't.

A slide into penury is somewhat concerning for those of us who are healthy.

except the "few" are now increasing at an alarming rate...

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Re the above, and you're the doctor not me, again there seems not to be complete agreement on your position that "low viral load are just as capable of spreading the virus" no? Not to say that they can't/won't, but aren't there views that suggest it is less likely?

I found bit below on this subject, and maybe I am mis-reading it:

You've recently published on how schools and business should implement testing protocols. In a scenario where one student or worker tests positive, should viral load be taken into account for testing and quarantining of others who were exposed?

A: Ideally in this scenario the infected individual gets two tests and we can assume that the first one was taken as a result of experiencing symptoms. The viral load level of the first test really matters; if this number is high, we could conclude the individual is very contagious and therefore all close contacts should be tested and quarantined.

Alternatively, if the viral load is low at the first test, he or she may be at the tail end of disease and no longer contagious.

In an ideal world we would be screening people regularly and picking up the virus before someone is experiencing symptoms or infectious. That’s really the gold standard in terms of how testing and viral load can be used to prevent new cases, but we are not there yet.

I'm not a doctor. I'm a medical scientist.

I'm not sure I'm answering what your asking but I'm just going to post my thoughts on it.


These are diagnostic tests.
In normal circumstances, a doctor requests a diagnostic test based on the patients symptoms, history, medication etc. The doctor requests these tests when they have clinical suspicion of what is wrong with the patient. They then interpret the test result based on all the information and treat them.

Using this new diagnostic test on this scale is new territory. It is not the norm. Doctors are referring people for tests but not discussing or treating the patient after that. The patient is told their result and then they're on their own.

So the doctor that refers all these people in the community has no idea what stage of infection a patient is at. As its respiratory and highly contagious, people often have no idea where they contracted it so have no idea when their infection started.

So all these results are black and white.
Detected or not detected.
They're not given a numerical value for how infectious their swab was.

The result is also largely dependent on the quality of the swab.
There is no way to standardise how much viral particles are inoculated into the swab.
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The bottom line is when a person gets a positive result, they either have or had the virus. So isolate.
Dont risk spreading it to someone else.

No doctor is going to ring the lab looking for the CT value for all the patients they have referred, because their phones are hopping with more worried patients looking to be tested and a waiting room full of other non Covid problems.

niallo27 wrote: »

Statistically it's true. Am I wrong.

1 in every 160 people in Ireland have an active Covid infection right now.

If we assume that your chance of being "sick" are 20%, then your chances of being sick with Covid right now are about 1 in 800.

Lashes28 wrote: »

The care home my grandparents are in called for permission for the vaccine to be administered and also to make a decision that if they were to contract CovID in the home that they would not get treatment for it in hospital. That they would just be made comfortable in the home. Could be a factor in pushing nursing home figures up.

And what if consent is not given.

Shouldn't the question be asked after getting COVID - ie. what approach to take to potentially treating it after a medical assessment rather than letting them die?

I had a conversation with a friend working in terminal 2 earlier today and he commented that he hadn't seen so many flights on the departures board in one day since earlier last year. So there is some truth to what you say!

py2006 wrote: »

Apparently in the last couple days there are extra flights into Dublin from Portugal and Spain, with a lot heading up to NI to get connecting flights back into UK.

Colour me ignorant but say an "essential" construction project takes three years to complete, does a month off make a jot of a difference in the long term?

We all know what is truly essential in society, car washes and someone building a patio extension certainly are not.

Grocery stores, petrol stations and pharmacies are truly essential. I'd argue nearly everything outside that can operate as an emergency service (mechanics, plumbers etc). Prove me wrong.